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Standard User joconnell
(experienced) Tue 22-Feb-11 13:28:24
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ADSL routers with built-in gigabit ports/switches


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Does such a thing exist?

I see a few ADSL routers with a single gigabit port (for connecting to the wired LAN I presume) but where's the point in that when the other LAN ports on the router are 100Mbps? Why aren't more ADSL routers fitted with gigabit ethernet ports? Surely it'd add little or no cost to making the router in the first place?
Standard User yarwell
(sensei) Tue 22-Feb-11 13:54:58
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Why aren't more ADSL routers fitted with gigabit ethernet ports?


cos ADSL doesn't need gigabit and price is king ? Plug the 100M ethernet port of the router into a GigE switch and away you go...

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Anonymous
(Unregistered)Tue 22-Feb-11 14:11:11
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That means using a separate switch for gigabit though, which quite a lot of people probably don't need for their networks. And with wireless, 802.11n especially, 100Mbit ports are kind of a bottleneck so gigabit ports do make a difference to that.


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Standard User yarwell
(sensei) Tue 22-Feb-11 14:17:32
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true. Single port ADSL router with 100M ethernet, gigabit wireless N access point with 4 port switch, sorted. Actually 802.11n doesn't get near 100M ethernet when I've tried it.

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Standard User jchamier
(knowledge is power) Tue 22-Feb-11 22:00:58
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In reply to a post by yarwell:
true. Single port ADSL router with 100M ethernet, gigabit wireless N access point with 4 port switch, sorted. Actually 802.11n doesn't get near 100M ethernet when I've tried it.


Some N implementations can; in dual channel (40mhz) locations with no interference. ie, nobody in a town smile

You'll find this is the reason routers such as the BT HomeHub and the Draytek 2820 have a single GigE port and three 100m, along with N wireless.

James - be* pro - on THFB - sync about 17.2mbps - BQM
Standard User joconnell
(experienced) Wed 23-Feb-11 13:01:02
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In reply to a post by yarwell:
Why aren't more ADSL routers fitted with gigabit ethernet ports?


cos ADSL doesn't need gigabit and price is king ? Plug the 100M ethernet port of the router into a GigE switch and away you go...

So I end up with an extra box sitting in my media cabinet requiring power. Even top-end ADSL routers don't have gigabit ports and given the very small extra cost and greater convenience, it just doesn't make sense.
Anonymous
(Unregistered)Wed 23-Feb-11 15:40:17
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Joconnell
As no ADSL goes upto 100Mb why would they go to the cost of putting a Gb port in.

The new BT HH3 has a Ge port in but only so that it can be connected to FTTP if/when it is available. This would enable the 110Mb linespeed, 100Mb throughput promised speed.

But you would only need Gb port when you use fibre.

I presume you are trying to run a Ge LAN around your premises which suggests business use ( 100s of units). and most ADSL routers are designed for the dirt cheap domestic markets (100000s of units) where margins are in the pence / month range.

ADSL routers work on the basis of upto 24Mb out so only need 100Mb ports in,
VDSL/Cable routers on the basis of upto 100Mb out so still only need 100Mb ports in,

FTTP is Gb out, so need Ge ports, I would expect more than 1, but they may be working on the basis that noone will need more than 1 if they are using N wireless as well

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Standard User mrc99
(learned) Wed 23-Feb-11 16:04:50
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They do exist. Try Billion's 7800N for starters.
Standard User normcall
(member) Wed 23-Feb-11 16:34:09
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I've just bought a Belkin dual band router with four 1Gb ports and 2 USB ports.
I only bought it because of the 5Ghz wireless as all the users round here just use Channel 1,6 and 11 rather than 1,5, 9 and 13 keeping a 2 channel separation and allow additional users. With 2 or 3 users on each channel, wireless is almost unusable unless within cable distance which defeats the object.
Standard User yarwell
(sensei) Wed 23-Feb-11 16:46:23
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if the extra cost is anything more than zero and there's no perceived demand it makes a lot of sense. Horses for courses - switch for switching, AP for wireless, modem/router for internet gateway.

Same argument as hi-fi separates really, the all-in-one units tended not to be the best or to suit everyone's taste.

Power consumption probably same.

Phil

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Standard User jchamier
(knowledge is power) Thu 24-Feb-11 19:21:11
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The new BT HH3 has a Ge port in but only so that it can be connected to FTTP if/when it is available. This would enable the 110Mb linespeed, 100Mb throughput promised speed.


I thought I read (on the register perhaps) the HH3 had a 100mb WAN port alongside the ADSL WAN port, and then 4 internal ports of which one is 1000mb (GigE) and the others 100mb (FastE).

But you would only need Gb port when you use fibre.


If N works you get 300mb/sec - and even in my congested wireless area my Draytek gets 140mbps to my laptop.

The Draytek 2820Vn has a single GigE and 3 FastE LAN switch ports, and a single 100mbps WAN port alongside an ADSL2+ port - same as the BT HH3.

Same reasoning for the GigE port - the N wireless is supposed to go faster than 100mbps.


I understand your reasoning, its logical, but I disagree with it. As others have stated there are other routers with four GigE LAN ports, and a GigE WAN port - such as the BIllion. Also what about Virgin Media, who now offer 100mbps, and are talking about 200mbps.

A colleague of mine has 80mbps symmetric VDSL in Sweden - he can't find a router that can keep up with the throughput. frown

James - be* pro - on THFB - sync about 17.2mbps - BQM
Standard User E7er
(knowledge is power) Thu 24-Feb-11 19:27:18
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In reply to a post by joconnell:
Does such a thing exist?

I see a few ADSL routers with a single gigabit port (for connecting to the wired LAN I presume) but where's the point in that when the other LAN ports on the router are 100Mbps? Why aren't more ADSL routers fitted with gigabit ethernet ports? Surely it'd add little or no cost to making the router in the first place?
Hi joconnell, I found one! I just stumbled on this super-duper-router by Netgear, it has (4) Gigabit Ethernet ports and looks a good future proof router to have, it will work connected with cable/fibre broadband and ADSL2+, I would like one myself. ooo wink

http://www.netgear.co.uk/home/products/wirelessroute...

Orange (SMPF) LLU 20 Meg. Sync 11864 Kbps Downstream, 1157 Kbps Upstream.
3Com 3CRWDR101A-75 ADSL2/2+ router
Netgear DGN1000 ADSL2+ wireless N 150 Router supplied by Orange
BT Business Hub 2Wire 2700HGV v2 ADSL2+ Dual SSID wireless Router
Standard User jchamier
(knowledge is power) Thu 24-Feb-11 19:45:59
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In reply to a post by E7er:
Hi joconnell, I found one! I just stumbled on this super-duper-router by Netgear, it has (4) Gigabit Ethernet ports and looks a good future proof router to have, it will work connected with cable/fibre broadband and ADSL2+, I would like one myself. ooo wink


Hope its not a relative of the (apparently bad) Virgin Media SuperHub by NetGear wink

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Standard User yarwell
(sensei) Thu 24-Feb-11 21:10:59
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and even in my congested wireless area my Draytek gets 140mbps to my laptop


actual throughput ? or a willy waving number on a GUI

Phil

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Standard User MHC
(legend) Fri 25-Feb-11 10:03:28
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Future proof? No VDSL ... so not even ready for today's technology.

Read the whole spec - it is full of marketing hype.





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Standard User jchamier
(knowledge is power) Fri 25-Feb-11 11:56:58
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actual throughput ? or a willy waving number on a GUI


Good question, I've not benchtested since getting the N laptop - so its probably just "marketing" programming smile

James - be* pro - on THFB - sync about 17.2mbps - BQM
Standard User E7er
(knowledge is power) Fri 25-Feb-11 18:27:58
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It connects to the BT VDSL2 modem, true it might be a load of rubbish. frown

Orange (SMPF) LLU 20 Meg. Sync 11864 Kbps Downstream, 1157 Kbps Upstream.
3Com 3CRWDR101A-75 ADSL2/2+ router
Netgear DGN1000 ADSL2+ wireless N 150 Router supplied by Orange
BT Business Hub 2Wire 2700HGV v2 ADSL2+ Dual SSID wireless Router
Standard User MHC
(legend) Fri 25-Feb-11 23:35:40
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What is the point of buying one with an ADSL front end if the plan is to connect it to a modem?

Read the specs carefully and out of the box it single wireless channel only and needs an extra cost adapter to achieve the acclaimed 2.4 & 5 GHz operation.





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