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Anonymous
(Unregistered)Wed 27-Apr-11 17:57:13
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What Billion router?


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Hi We've been informed by an Openreach engineer that Billion routers are even better for longer lines than 2wires. So can anyone direct me to the best Billion router, It needs to be Wireless N and give as good or better sync speeds than the business hub. I was looking at the 7700N but this seems to be cheaper than all the others, which concerns me slightly?

Kind Regards
Edd
Standard User baby_frogmella
(committed) Wed 27-Apr-11 22:39:36
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Re: What Billion router?


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Yes Broadcom chipsets are known to be very good on long lines, whether the Billion 7800N or 7700N (both with Broadcom 6358 chipset) is better than the Business Hub BT 2700HGV is debatable. If you're on a very long line then it might be better to go for the 2700HGV otherwise go for the Billion. The 7700N is cheaper than the 7800N because it doesn't have gigabit ports or EWAN port (for FTTC/cable connections), everything else is the same.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Billion-BiPAC-7700N-Wireless...

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Anonymous
(Unregistered)Wed 27-Apr-11 23:36:51
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Well we have the Business HUb at the moment, and even that drops the connection 4 times a day. And our netgear DGN2000 even with the DGTEam firmware, was rubbish!

Ohh btw our line downstream attenuation is 109.

And we sync around 1000kbps with an IP Profile of 750.


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Anonymous
(Unregistered)Wed 27-Apr-11 23:37:54
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DO Billions show the right line attenuation or the one's like at max 63.5db?
Standard User E7er
(knowledge is power) Thu 28-Apr-11 00:28:21
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Well we have the Business HUb at the moment, and even that drops the connection 4 times a day. And our netgear DGN2000 even with the DGTEam firmware, was rubbish!

Ohh btw our line downstream attenuation is 109.

And we sync around 1000kbps with an IP Profile of 750.
Wow, your line downstream attenuation is 109. I have not seen it given that high before, interesting does the BT Business Hub 2Wire give a reading that high?

I would hope the connection is interleaved for stability.
If you buy the Billion, you could tell us which works best on a long line. wink

http://www.billion.uk.com/product/wireless.htm

Orange (SMPF) LLU 20 Meg. Sync 11864 Kbps Downstream, 1157 Kbps Upstream.
3Com 3CRWDR101A-75 ADSL2/2+ wireless router
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BT Business Hub 2Wire 2700HGV v2 ADSL2+ Dual SSID wireless Router
Anonymous
(Unregistered)Thu 28-Apr-11 07:16:14
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What the router reports is only 65, yet the engineer worked it out properly and has put in for a recalculation and said it was 13.8dB per km, and our line length is 7.9km long, and he did something with his machine, the only reason I posted this was because he said they were even better than his peice of kit.
Standard User baby_frogmella
(committed) Thu 28-Apr-11 07:53:01
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Well in that case go for the Billion 7700N when its released in a few weeks time. Buy it from Amazon, if after a week or two you're still getting disconnections then return it to Amazon for a refund, so you haven't wasted your money smile

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Standard User Oldjim
(fountain of knowledge) Thu 28-Apr-11 09:28:27
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You have just identified my new spare router - the 7700N is exactly what I need as a backup to my DG834Gv4
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(committed) Thu 28-Apr-11 10:28:03
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You have just identified my new spare router - the 7700N is exactly what I need as a backup to my DG834Gv4


Why not make the DG834Gv4 as backup to the 7700N? The billion uses a newer broadcom chipset (6358 rather than Netgear's 6348), also has wireless N and allows you to alter the SNR (permanent setting even after reboot). You might be pleasantly surprised smile

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Standard User Oldjim
(fountain of knowledge) Thu 28-Apr-11 10:41:50
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At present the Netgear is performing faultlessly with a default noise margin of 6dB so no need to change.
I don't think my line will support 5120kbps (needed to get to the next IP profile as it is holding 4896kbps at present with the noise margin dropping to about 2.8dB over night
Anonymous
(Unregistered)Thu 28-Apr-11 18:40:56
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On the amazon website it says it will be released May 16 2012?!?! What!!!
Standard User baby_frogmella
(committed) Thu 28-Apr-11 19:28:05
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On the amazon website it says it will be released May 16 2012?!?! What!!!


I think that's a typo, last time i checked it said May 2011. Just keep checking regularly!

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Standard User MHC
(legend) Thu 28-Apr-11 20:19:53
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There is no easy way to calculate the attenuation. It will depend on line length, wire size, number of joints (and condition), the bins in use and how packed they are, plus the quality of the modem front end and a few more parameters.

If the router is reporting 65 dB I would be inclined to believe that.





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Anonymous
(Unregistered)Thu 28-Apr-11 21:34:32
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I have a Billion 7800N which replaced my DG834PN (with DGTeam), I am getting a sync of 3,581 with Noise Margin of 4.8 and attenuation of 64.5. Uptime is currently 3 1/2 days and that was when I turned the power in my house while my electricity meter was replaced. I am keeping my much loved DG834PN as a spare and use the 7800N as my main router.
Anonymous
(Unregistered)Thu 28-Apr-11 22:51:31
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I asked the engineer a load of questions. We're on a 0.9 well shielded cable right back to the exchange, there are 7 joints in total, to one cabinet about 7km away. Business HUb (currently) with shielded adsl cable, adsl nation faceplate, no extensions. He said the line was definitley calculated in the wrong way.

And also just to comfirm there is no differene in line sync speed or chipset in the 7700N compared to the 7800N. ?
Standard User baby_frogmella
(committed) Fri 29-Apr-11 07:22:37
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Roger! the 7700N uses the same chipset as the 7800N so sync speed should be the same. If you can afford it, why not go for the 7800N? smile

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Anonymous
(Unregistered)Fri 29-Apr-11 09:27:48
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Well it's the thing we live in a rural area, and FTTC isnt coming to our area for a very long time yet, we dont even have ADSL2+ yet! And my names Edd by the way! tongue
Standard User baby_frogmella
(committed) Fri 29-Apr-11 10:09:06
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Well it's the thing we live in a rural area, and FTTC isnt coming to our area for a very long time yet, we dont even have ADSL2+ yet! And my names Edd by the way! tongue


Cool wait for the 7700N then.

I didn't mean to call you Roger, its just a phrase i used a lot in my previous life as a radio operator on a Land Seismic crew. Roger just means i hear you/correct/you're right smile
Radio phraseology

Main article: Voice procedure
"Roger" means "I have received all of the last transmission" in both military and civilian aviation radio communications. This usage comes from the initial R of received: R was called Roger in the radio alphabets current at the time, such as the Joint Army/Navy Phonetic Alphabet. It is also often shortened in writing to "rgr". R is Romeo in the modern NATO phonetic alphabet.
Contrary to popular belief, Roger does not mean or imply "I will comply." That distinction goes to the contraction wilco (from, "will comply"), which is used exclusively if the speaker intends to say "received and will comply." Thus, the phrase "Roger Wilco" is both procedurally incorrect and redundant.[citation needed]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger#Radio_phraseology

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Standard User baby_frogmella
(committed) Thu 05-May-11 21:57:37
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In reply to a post by Anonymous:
On the amazon website it says it will be released May 16 2012?!?! What!!!


The 7700N now has correct release date - May 16 2011 smile
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Billion-BiPAC-7700N-Wireless...

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Attenuation 27db down / 9db up
Noise Margin 3.3 db down / 12db up
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Standard User Apprentice
(knowledge is power) Sat 21-May-11 22:43:02
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In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:
In reply to a post by Anonymous:
On the amazon website it says it will be released May 16 2012?!?! What!!!


The 7700N now has correct release date - May 16 2011 smile
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Billion-BiPAC-7700N-Wireless...

It's changed again sadly.

You still need to sign up for notification, no date for release right now.

Alastair

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