In reply to a post by meditator:

I'll pass that very useful information on, then. However, I doubt whether either my brother or his wife will bother to try to get one. They're not very savvy about these things and aren't technically inclined. They may also take fright at the thought of their Hub being surplanted, thinking that perhaps BT would throw the book at them if they ever found out.

I could try to get one myself, then see if they'll agree to it being connected when I next visit them. I'd have the same reluctance problem with any other router I offered them, except that I wouldn't stand to have wasted time and money.

768 - 896K bps seems a very reasonable sync for a 6km line, though I'm not sure that dismissing those other routers you've mentioned is necessarily fair, as the speed will depend on the Target SNR, negotiated between the router and the DSLAM in the exchange. So, if the Target SNR were 6dB, you'd get a higher speed than if it were, say, 12dB. On the other hand, a lower SNR would mean lower line stability! (With the Netgear routers mentioned, SNR could be controlled using the utility DMT). I suppose only experimenting will show whether a greater speed will, in practise, be possible.

Postscript: I've looked at that kitz link, where it was explained that changing the login on the 2700 router was possible only by using details found at a certain URL. I tried that URL and it never responded. I guess it's been blocked by BT. One of the risks involved in using any different modem is that BT apparently automatically updates Hub firmware over the Web. Havoc could result if, say, the 2700 got an update, when the BT account assumed they were using a Type2 Hub.

Hi, the BT Business Hub 2700HGV wireless router will have no problems working on a BT Home broadband connection. I cannot see how BT would be upset as you are still using one of their routers. The router will only update with the correct firmware, so no problem there.

I bought one two years ago on ebay, it was brand new and box sealed, I paid £28 + £8 p&p. It's a good router and was money well spent.

BT Business Hub 2Wire BT2700HGV Router.

ebay http://shop.ebay.co.uk/?_from=R40&_trksid=m570&_nkw=...

RobertoS, Please feel free to be rude. I stand corrected, I was simply quoting what the France Telecom engineer told me. Obviously either he was wrong or perhaps I got something wrong in translation.

As you'll probably of gathered from the previous sentence FT = France Telecom and not British Telecom.

Edited by deleted (Thu 12-May-11 08:41:20)

In reply to a post by john2007:

The target SNR is 6dB which is set by the Router. FT do not impose their own target SNR as far as I'm aware...

Not quite correct. The target SNR margin is set by the service supplier (BT, or LLU ISP for instance). Some makes of router/modems can ignore the target by a plus or minus amount.

Thanks for the correction

Sorry, I assumed FT was a typo for BT. I'm sure you are right for France, they just operate differently.

Vive la diff�rence.

Perhaps I was being a bit too pessimistic, GMAN98. I googled for info on the 2700 and in the masses of guidance notes I found on unlocking and general usage the reader was warned that BT would instigate their own updates with this and the Home Hub and that they would occur in the background. Maybe this was just scare tactics but, with BT, you can never tell; they never seem to be all that user-friendly with their kit.

I've had a (slow) e-mail reply from my bruv. He tells me that the device he's got at present is the Home Hub v.2.0 Type A (no telephone).

The concensus among you all appears to be that he could replace this with a 2700HG-V and merrily connect into his BT Broadband account. The main caveat would be unlocking.

Is this an accurate summary?

In reply to a post by FrenchUser:

RobertoS, Please feel free to be rude. I stand corrected, I was simply quoting what the France Telecom engineer told me. Obviously either he was wrong or perhaps I got something wrong in translation.

As you'll probably of gathered from the previous sentence FT = France Telecom and not British Telecom.

You may have noticed in my post I assumed FT meant BT, as did John. Apologies therefore, as quite possibly this is the case on FT systems. But it is emphatically not so on BT Wholesale or any LLU system in this country.

I think I was in a ratty mood at the time as well . Sorry.

Edited by RobertoS (Thu 12-May-11 23:58:38)

It is perfectly possible to block the auto-updating of the firmware in a BT Business Hub (a.k.a. a 2Wire HGV2700).

I purchased a brand new, boxed and security sealed unit via eBay for use on a non-BT broadband service. With the latest available version, there is no "unlocking" required.The HGV2700 that I purchased has the BT v6.1 firmware installed. With the v6.1 firmware, only this section of the comprehensive site need be read and understood.

Replacing a BT Home Hub with a BT Business Hub should give your brother a measurable, if not significant, improvement in his broadband performance.

Burakkucat,

Is it possible for you to give me the name of the supplier on EBay from whom you bought your 2700HGV? Via a private message here, for example?

I've already advised my brother to get one that's new and fully boxed.

In reply to a post by meditator:

Burakkucat,

Is it possible for you to give me the name of the supplier on EBay from whom you bought your 2700HGV? Via a private message here, for example?

I've already advised my brother to get one that's new and fully boxed.

Hi meditator, it don�t work like that! You wait for the routers to come up for sale.

At this very moment, I can see two brand new factory sealed boxed routers there for sale on ebay.

Have sent you Personal Message.