Post Office B/Band and Belkin Wireless

Hi
I have a Post Office BBand with Netgear ADSL2+ modem and want to add a wireless router. I have a Belkin Wireless G-Plus and am having problems connecting and making it work
Can anyone please help, with step by step instructions for a total technophobe!!

much appreciated

Is the Netgear "modem" really a router and if it isn't what connectors does it have?

It says on it Netgear ADSL2+ Modem DM111PSP

it has only an ADSL connection and an Ethernet connection

thanks

It is a ADSL2+ Modem Router!

Ok, what next? I have this ADSL modem router and i want to add the Belkin wireless

thanks again

OK, just getting the facts, man.

sure, i realise that and i really appreciate your interest

hope i can get this resolved

thanks!

I'm not into this but there's a fairly standard way of doing this. Look in Home Networking Forum where many instances appear.

It mainly involves switching off DHCP on the Modem/Router and ensuring its IP addy is out of range of the other router's DHCP. (or it might be the other way round).

EDIT: I hope the Belkin is not an ADSL modem and has Ethernet on the WAN side.

Edited by XRaySpeX (Sat 29-Sep-12 17:49:20)

Assuming you are not using the Netgear as a bridge (i.e. it is contains your ISP login credentials and issues IP addresses via DHCP):

Disable DHCP on the Belkin, then connect a LAN port to the Netgear with an Ethernet cable.
You may need to check/change the the IP addresses of both devices to make sure there are no clashes.

I was previously using the Belkin in another house where i had virgin broadband.

now i am somewhere else,

I really dont know how to check the IP things. can you advise?

Thanks

Don't worry initially about the IP ranges, does it work if you follow the advice so far?

I have disabled and connected it up and then started them up again, but it does not work either on the pc (from the ethernet cable) or on wireless (on my smartphone)

So the connection is Netgear -> Belkin -> PC
and Netgear -> Belkin -> wifi -> smartphone?

But if you plug the PC into the Netgear, it works?

Edited by deleted (Sat 29-Sep-12 18:22:05)

yes, i am using that now. It is only when i try to add on the Belkin that I get no connection

The default settings for the Netgear as described in the Manual PDF (P.57) say it uses 192.168.0.1/24 and issues addesses in the range 192.168.0.2 - 192.168.0.254

Change the 'Ending IP Address' from 192.168.0.254 to 192.168.0.253 and Apply the changes.

I'm not sure exactly which model Belkin you have, but this Manual PDF says the default IP Address used is 192.168.2.1, so this will need to be changed to 192.168.0.254 and the DHCP server disabled (as the Netgear will be issuing addresses).

Page 46 shows how.

You sure you turned off DHCP on the Belkin and connected the Netgear to the LAN port not the WAN port on the Belkin?

No I dont think now i did turn off the DHCP.

when i went into the 192.168.2.1 when i was setting it up, it gave a choice of 4 things, the Dynamic was the top one which it said suited most users (i was kinda hoping i was one of them!) , and the next one from memory was IP address (which i dont know)

Sorry!!

ok well i typed in 192.168.2.1 and changed the IP to 192.168.0.254 but i didnt change the dynamic as i did not see the setting option. Anyway i tried it and still nothing but now i cannot go back into the settings. I have typed in the new and the old IP but i dont get anything,
i feel i have messed this up badly!

You can always do a Factory Reset by pressing a pin in a hole at the back if you mess things up, but you should be able to use 1 of those addys to get in via your browser.

Reset the Belkin to default settings:

(b) Restoring the Factory Defaults
Press and hold the �Reset� button for at least 10 seconds, then release it. The lights on the Router will momentarily flash. The �Power/Ready� light will begin to blink. When the �Power/Ready� light becomes solid again, the restore is complete.

Once it is restored, you should be able to access the admin settings again using 192.168.2.1

When you have access, disable DHCP (and change the IP address).

Make sure you are connecting to the Netgear by using a LAN port (where the computers plug in to), not the WAN port.

Is 192.168.2.1 the Belkin?

Unplug the Belkin from the Netgear

Plug the PC into the Belkin and open a Command Prompt then enter route print 0.0.0.0

What does it say?

In reply to a post by XRaySpeX:

It is a ADSL2+ Modem Router!

Nope.

It is a simple modem according to this page.

So isn't DHCP required on the Belkin as a result? And won't the Belkin have a WAN port that the ethernet feed should go to? Different 192.168 subnets being fine, as in an FTTC setup?
_{Dummy put router when he meant modem!}

Edited by RobertoS (Sat 29-Sep-12 19:37:03)

ok i have reset to factory settings, so if i go in now and change it from dynamic, do i change to Static IP. If yes it asks me to fill in boxes for

IP Address
Subnet Mask
ISP GAteway address

what do i need to enter here?

thanks again!

If my previous post is correct, the Belkin will need the login details.

In reply to a post by drexl_spivey:

I was previously using the Belkin in another house where i had virgin broadband.

Was that Virgin cable? Has the Belkin got a WAN port?

With Virgin it was a different type of router as they use a cable rather than a phone line type connection

I bought the Belkin seperate to that and it has 5 ports on the back, one saying connection to modem, and the other 4 saying connections to computer

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

If my previous post is correct, the Belkin will need the login details.

Not sure you are Bob.
PDF Manual says:

When your ISP requires a login, these fields display:
Encapsulation. Encapsulation is a method for enclosing multiple protocols. PPP stands for Point-to-Point Protocol. The choices are PPPoE (PPP over Ethernet) or PPPoA (PPP over ATM).
Login. The login name provided by your ISP. This is often an email address.
Password. The password that you use to log in to your ISP. [...]

and:

The LAN Setup screen allows configuration of LAN IP services such as DHCP and Routing Information Protocol (RIP). The modem is shipped preconfigured to use private IP addresses on the LAN side and to act as a DHCP server. [...]

Although it would be helpful for the OP to confirm the modem is not acting as a bridge and they are not using 'Dial-up Networking' for their credentials.

That page says it's a modem.

So does this page: http://support.netgear.com/search/DM111PSP !

But the DM111PSP User Manual that leads from it says it's a ADSL2+ Modem Router and it possesses a DHCP (p4-2). QED!

Edited by XRaySpeX (Sat 29-Sep-12 19:51:27)

How about the Post Office guide? https://account.mypostoffice.co.uk/postoffice/pages/...

how can i tell that? i am lost in all this.

I have opened the Network Connection Details, is there any information there that would answer this?

Thanks Batboy but the leaflet makes no reference to adding a wireless to it, it works fine connected directly from netgear to pc, but not when i add the wireless belkin

In reply to a post by drexl_spivey:

I bought the Belkin seperate to that and it has 5 ports on the back, one saying connection to modem

Do not use that port

Try this:

Unplug the Belkin from the Netgear

Plug the PC into the Belkin and open a Command Prompt then enter route print 0.0.0.0

What does it say?

That PO Guide is nothing to do with adding a WAP. Anyway OP can already use the Netgear alone; he just wants to add in the Belkin as a WAP.

If you don't need to click on anything on your computer to connect to the internet, you're not using Dial-up Networking and thus the Netgear is acting as a router and not as a bridge.

Don't use any wizards or similar for setting up the Belkin.
All were are trying to do is use it as a simple Ethernet switch (albeit with one of the LAN interfaces as wireless instead of Ethernet). We don't want it to do any routing at all.

It's a lot to do with the modem or router question and how the PO have set things up though. Isn't it.

It says
Interface List
9 ..00 1a a0 99 cc f4 Intel 82562v-2 10/100 Network
1.............. software loopback Interface 1
8,...02 00 54 55 4e 01 ....Toredo Tunnelling Pseudo Interface
0 ..00 00 00 00 00 00 00 e0 Microsoft ISATAP Adaptor

v4 route table
Activer Routes : NOne
Persistent Routes : None

IPv6 route table
Activer Routes : NOne
Persistent Routes : None

Ok, that suggests the Belkin is either switched off or not connected to the PC

Hi, You need to set the Netgear DM111PSP router DHCP server range first at > Advanced Settings > LAN Setup.

you will find the instructions in Netgear DM111PSP manual on page 57 LAN Setup.

To change the LAN setup select > Advanced > LAN Setup

Configure as:

[Check] Use Router as DHCP Server

Starting IP Address 192 168 0 21
Ending IP Address 192 168 0 250

Edited by deleted (Sun 30-Sep-12 01:03:09)

No, it hasn't! It just tells you how to wire it up, just like any old router; nothing about what's in it.

PO just call it a "Modem" cuz that's what Netgear call it in their top-level info, but that's not what their User Manual says and it does possess a DHCP.

OTOH you could think of it as a Modem cuz it has only 1 LAN port and no wireless so only 1 device can connect to it. But it does have Router functionality.

Thanks everyone

i am going to have to continue this tomorrow,

best wishes

In reply to a post by drexl_spivey:

do i change to Static IP.

No, you are not using the WAN on the Belkin.

You need to Change LAN Settings (p46) to turn off DHCP and fix IP addy to outside Netgear's range.

EDIT: You need to go by p57 of Netgear Manual & p46 of Belkin Manual only. You are playing with the LAN in both cases; the WAN is already handled by the Modem in the Netgear.

Edited by XRaySpeX (Sat 29-Sep-12 20:40:40)

Hi, configure the Belkin router Wireless Access Point with IP address 192.168.0.251

Disable Belkin DHCP server

Connect Belkin to Netgear DM111PSP router with Ethernet cable, LAN port to LAN port. (Not ADSL WAN port)

Connect your computer Ethernet connection to Belkin router LAN port. (Not ADSL WAN port)

Example http://www.netgear.co.uk/home/products/wired-routers...

To access Netgear router type http://192.168.0.1 in web browser.

To access Belkin wireless access point type http://192.168.0.251 in web browser.

Edited: I have tested this configuration setup and it all works with Ethernet and wireless.

Edited by deleted (Sat 29-Sep-12 23:55:39)

OP has already been told all that. His difficulty is relating it to the correct GUI pages of both routers.

Anyway that is incomplete as the Netgear itself needs its DHCP configured as it is issued a a simple "modem" having only 1 LAN port.

As you can see, the PO connection automatically configures the Netgear.

Yes, WAN-side, but we're interested in LAN-side.

Apropos of everyone.

I think the OP is being deluged by conflicting advice. There is also the question not yet raised about the possible difference if it isn't a v2.

Accepting that the Netgear User Manual for the v2 contradicts the specification for the "v1", and that the former is what the OP has so it is in fact a modem/router, and assuming the Belkin is a cable modem, (the OP hasn't replied to my question about it being VM Cable), isn't by far the easiest thing to do is to check the Netgear is or isn't in bridging mode,(it almost certainly isn't), and set it to bridge?

Then all the discussion of DHCP and IP addresses goes out of the window. We would have, as I said earlier, an identical setup to Openreach FTTC. Modem/router bridged to the WAN port on the Belkin, exactly as he would have had on Virgin. Possibly needing to enter the login details for his current service.

How about this page, for the v2.
_Typo.

Edited by RobertoS (Sat 29-Sep-12 21:27:29)

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

Accepting that the Netgear User Manual for the v2 contradicts the specification for the "v1

How so?

They are both captioned as a "Modem" but both lead to a ADSL2+ Modem Router DM111PSPv2 User Manual.

I don't think there is conflicting advice, but the OP is looking at WAN Setip pages when we want him to only change the LAN Setup.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

isn't by far the easiest thing to do is to check the Netgear is or isn't in bridging mode,(it almost certainly isn't), and set it to bridge?

Is it possible to bridge to a lone PC, cuz that;s how this Netgear is intended to be used? I thought bridging was only used when you connect to another router as you are doing with FTTC.

Therefore Netgear is not bridged!

Hi, you need to configure your computer static IP address for Ethernet and wireless connection.

http://portforward.com/networking/staticip.htm

http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/19249/how-to-assign-a...

http://www.tested.com/news/how-to/298-how-to-use-an-...


Configure computer for Ethernet connection�

Use Following IP Address:

IP address: 192.168.0.3 <- Example: PC Ethernet connection static IP address. (How Ethernet is configured)
Subnet mask: 255.255.255.0
Default gateway:192.168.0.1

Use the following DNS server address:
Preferred DNS server: 193.168.0.1
Alternate DNS server: Leave blank

Configure computer for Wireless connection�

Use Following IP Address:

IP address: 192.168.0.13 <- Example: PC wireless connection static IP address. (How wireless card is configured)
Subnet mask: 255.255.255.0
Default gateway: 192.168.0.1

Use the following DNS server address:
Preferred DNS server: 192.168.0.1
Alternate DNS server: Leave blank

Sorry I was unable to find Post Office broadband DNS server address. You could use Google.

The Google Public DNS IP addresses (IPv4) are as follows:

Preferred DNS server: 8.8.8.8
Alternate DNS server: 8.8.4.4

https://developers.google.com/speed/public-dns/docs/...

Edited: Important the default gateway setting for Ethernet and wireless must be the same as Netgear DM111PSP router IP address.
Default gateway: 192.168.0.1
All devices static IP address must NOT be within the Netgear DM111PSP router DHCP server range.

Edited by deleted (Sun 30-Sep-12 00:55:18)

In reply to a post by XRaySpeX:

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

isn't by far the easiest thing to do is to check the Netgear is or isn't in bridging mode,(it almost certainly isn't), and set it to bridge?

Is it possible to bridge to a lone PC, cuz that;s how this Netgear is intended to be used? I thought bridging was only used when you connect to another router as you are doing with FTTC.

Therefore Netgear is not bridged!

Yes it is possible.

The OR FTTC modems are modem/routers bridged. It is perfectly possible to connect a PC direct to the ethernet port on the Openreach modem. This then needs the login details to be entered on the computer. A point that was picked up by someone earlier, thus suggesting that as the OP isn't needing to do that then it is configured as a modem/router.

As per the page I just linked to, which implies it is supplied as a modem/router.

I still think it is best to bridge it to the Belkin WAN port. Easy-peasy. Wood and trees syndrome seems to be in force. Then he can use the Belkin just as he did on VM.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

I still think it is best to bridge it to the Belkin WAN port. Easy-peasy. Wood and trees syndrome seems to be in force. Then he can use the Belkin just as he did on VM.

Perhaps, and from an operational perspective there will be no difference. It is not necessarily easier to set up though IMHO, as the OP will have to make changes to two devices, when there are seemingly difficulties with configuring one.
Putting the modem into Bridge mode may be trivial for the experienced, but may not be for the OP.

The varying and even conflicting information provided has no doubt added to any confusion, so I'll refrain from further posts to reduce the noise.

Interestingly, the instructions there for bridging seem to set the connection manually in the Netgear. I have a feeling that step might not be necessary, as it is already auto-configuring from the ISP by the sound of it. That's just a question of experimenting though.

I see I did miss a reply from the OP. It looks as though he might have had cable modem >> router >> Belkin. In which case it wouldn't have been the WAN port in use. In which case, I wonder how he managed to get that set up. Or whether he was talked through it that time.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

This then needs the login details to be entered on the computer.

That Post Office guide never required the user to manually configure his PC so, other than setting IE to Never Dial. And no CD was supplied to do that either. So it can't be in bridge mode!

I even thought of that while I was writing the preceding post; I stuck "untouched" from "lone PC" wrongly thinking you would understand.

C'mon, I was the only one to identify this Netgear as a Modem/Router and y'all are making unfounded objections and throwing OP off track. All he needs to do is get out of the WAN pages and into the LAN ones.

Yes, there are more ways than 1 to skin a cat, but OP has started the Router route and. as panda says, it could well be more difficult for him to start a new tack. The OP should not change PC at all to achieve what he wants.

I think you have stopped reading .

I've accepted it is a modem router, and also said that I think even in bridge mode it could still auto-configure. So all he has to do is follow the simple instructions on the page given, and see if it works.

If it doesn't, then OK start messing about with some permutation of what has been suggested.

SUCCESS!!!!

from a composite of your answers i have resolved this situation and can happily use my wireless
Thank you so much to one and all who contributed

Well done!

Did you go the bridging route or the DHCP route?

Sorry about any confusion; we were just discussing amongst ourselves the alternatives.

In reply to a post by drexl_spivey:

SUCCESS!!!!

Excellent .

from a composite of your answers ...

The only way .

As XRaySpex asks, what did you do in the end? It could be very useful to us all to knwo for the next person in a simialr position.