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Standard User astateoftrance
(regular) Wed 12-Jun-13 11:44:49
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Hi there, I am looking for advice on what ADSL modem/router to get. I am currently using a Netgear DG834G 54mbps so I think it is long over due. Need something for online gaming, media streaming and which has parental controls.

I was looking at the ASUS DSL-N55U or the TP-Link TD-W8980 N600. Any other recommendations ? My max budget is £100 but less would be better.

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Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Wed 12-Jun-13 13:48:17
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The Netgear 834G should be handling your ADSL or ADSL2+ with no problem. The 54Mbps you quote is the wireless speed which should also be plenty for ADSL/ADSL2+.

It would be useful if you could post the line stats from the Netgear so we can see what your connection figures are. We need the sync/connection/bandwidth speed, attenuation and noise margin values both down and up smile. It could be you just have a poor line.
Edit - typo.

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Standard User astateoftrance
(regular) Wed 12-Jun-13 15:18:44
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Thanks for the reply RobertoS. Sorry I didn't make it clear in my post I was talking about streaming media locally not from the internet that I was having issues with, also the wifi signal is not great in some parts of the house and it doesn't have any parental control options.
As a modem I have no problem with it at all, I have tried several ISP provided modem/routers over the years but always gone back to this Netgear as its been much better.

Would it be a option to keep this Netgear but use it only as a modem and then buy a router to attach to it?


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Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Wed 12-Jun-13 15:35:34
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I would get a additional WAP (Wireless Access Point) and connect that by Ethernet to the Netgear. Preferably quite a way away. Then you can use whichever wireless source is better where you are at the time. Properly set up you can even move around like you can with a mobile phone between masts.

I don't know about parental control options sorry.

My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk | Domains,website and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Plusnet UnLim Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 53.4/16.8Mbps @ 600m. - BQM

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Standard User astateoftrance
(regular) Wed 12-Jun-13 16:09:27
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That seems like a good solution. Do you have any recommendations for a WAP ? I like the look of the ASUS RT-N56U but it's £79.99 so I will look around first to see if there is anything cheaper that will fit my needs.
Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 12-Jun-13 20:44:14
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That seems like a good solution. Do you have any recommendations for a WAP ? I like the look of the ASUS RT-N56U but it's £79.99 so I will look around first to see if there is anything cheaper that will fit my needs.


You might however prefer an all in one router that uses the N protocol with multiple antennas. These give significantly faster throughput than the old G protocol, and coverage due to the multiple antennas.

PCPro magazine did a comparison review, and they likd the RT-N56U for ADSL users. ThinkBroadband even reviewed the other model the 55U here: http://www.thinkbroadband.com/hardware/reviews/78-as...

If you want best performance, ensure both your PCs and your router support 3 stream N, and you have both 2.4 and 5 GHz support in the router. (I bought an ASUS RT-N66U which has that support but no ADSL modem).

The 5 GHz support is good for same room (and depending on your home, next door rooms) as it avoids interference from neighbours slowing down your transmissions. For example I have 45megabit FTTC, and I get full speed on 5 GHz, but often slowed down to 20meg or slower on the 2.4 GHz in the evenings when the neighbours are using their WiFi.

Good luck.

James BT Infinity 2 19/09/2012 - Speeds 49 / 8.2 Mbps - Sync 53 / 9.5 Mbps @ 470m
Huawei modem -> RT-N66U -> Switch -> PC/Mac/Linux/NAS/Phone/TV - last speedtest
13 years of broadband - 1999 ntl:(512k/1M)/BTbusiness(2M)/Metronet(2M)/Bulldog(8M/16M)/BE(19M/16M)/BT FTTC(46M)
Standard User astateoftrance
(regular) Thu 13-Jun-13 19:11:54
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Thanks. Yes I am tempted to get that Asus router, looks like it will do everything I need (and much more) but still would like a cheaper option. Will a Cable router work fine also?
Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 13-Jun-13 19:56:17
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Will a Cable router work fine also?

Not with an ADSL service unless you buy an ADSL modem, or you are able to set up an existing box in bridge mode (unlikely).

James BT Infinity 2 19/09/2012 - Speeds 49 / 8.2 Mbps - Sync 53 / 9.5 Mbps @ 470m
Huawei modem -> RT-N66U -> Switch -> PC/Mac/Linux/NAS/Phone/TV - last speedtest
13 years of broadband - 1999 ntl:(512k/1M)/BTbusiness(2M)/Metronet(2M)/Bulldog(8M/16M)/BE(19M/16M)/BT FTTC(46M)
Standard User astateoftrance
(regular) Thu 13-Jun-13 20:01:32
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The plan is to follow RobertoS advice and keep my current Netgear modem/router then connect a new router to it by ethernet cable. so in that setup would a Cable router be Ok ?
Standard User BatBoy
(legend) Thu 13-Jun-13 20:09:49
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Yes, it would be acting as an access point not as a router.


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Standard User astateoftrance
(regular) Thu 13-Jun-13 20:31:28
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Ok, thanks BatBoy and thank you RobertoS and jchamier for the help. I have just ordered the ASUS RT-N56U smile
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Thu 13-Jun-13 22:03:06
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As you are connecting a router, not a pure WAP (which in fact is what I suggested), you will need to make sure its subnet is set to the same as the Netgear, with a fixed IP address outside the range the Netgear is set to allocate, and disable DHCP on it.

My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk | Domains,website and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Plusnet UnLim Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 53.4/16.8Mbps @ 600m. - BQM

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Standard User BatBoy
(legend) Thu 13-Jun-13 22:15:09
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Maybe its wizard will recognise this on connection and set itself up appropriately?


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Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Thu 13-Jun-13 22:17:14
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Is it that sophisticated?

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Connection - Plusnet UnLim Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 53.4/16.8Mbps @ 600m. - BQM

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Standard User astateoftrance
(regular) Fri 14-Jun-13 07:21:08
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We will find out on saturday. I assumed (never a good idea!) that a WAP was the same as a router. Anyway, as long as it will work I don't mind changing some settings. If not then I will have to get a separate modem as I want to use this router.
Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 14-Jun-13 07:57:29
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In reply to a post by astateoftrance:
We will find out on saturday. I assumed (never a good idea!) that a WAP was the same as a router. Anyway, as long as it will work I don't mind changing some settings. If not then I will have to get a separate modem as I want to use this router.

You can set the ASUS in Access Point mode, which turns off its routing features and makes it a WAP only:
http://support.asus.com/FAQ/detail.aspx?SLanguage=en...

If you don't, you will have double NAT which can stop some internet applications working properly. Don't forget to turn off wireless on the Netgear.

James BT Infinity 2 19/09/2012 - Speeds 49 / 8.2 Mbps - Sync 53 / 9.5 Mbps @ 470m
Huawei modem -> RT-N66U -> Switch -> PC/Mac/Linux/NAS/Phone/TV - last speedtest
13 years of broadband - 1999 ntl:(512k/1M)/BTbusiness(2M)/Metronet(2M)/Bulldog(8M/16M)/BE(19M/16M)/BT FTTC(46M)
Standard User astateoftrance
(regular) Fri 14-Jun-13 09:30:11
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Thanks. I will try that method first. Looking forward to setting up this piece of kit smile streaming media from my PC to PS3 is so hit or miss at the moment.
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Fri 14-Jun-13 18:57:59
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Surely there's nothing wrong with having wireless on both for wider coverage? It's done quite often when linking two routers, as I explained earlier to the OP.

My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk | Domains,website and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Plusnet UnLim Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 53.4/16.8Mbps @ 600m. - BQM

"Where talent is a dwarf, self-esteem is a giant." - Jean-Antoine Petit-Senn.
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Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 14-Jun-13 19:49:31
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One G and one three-stream N is likely to confuse, at 2.4 GHz given the lack of free spectrum already in most built up areas. For internet access, yes, I'd agree (but G only manages 20megabit on the best kit, I've seen a lot of G kit that can only do 10megabit speeds - such as the old BE Technicolor routers).

The ASUS can achieve a lot more, especially for LAN streaming, and its power output and (due to N and 3 antennas) resilience is much greater than the ancient Netgear DG834 and similar derivatives.

Personally I'd put a Netgear box that old into some sort of bridge mode, or even enable DMZ and put the ASUS into it at worst case. The technical differences between those routers are dramatic - unsurprising when you look at the age smile

James BT Infinity 2 19/09/2012 - Speeds 49 / 8.2 Mbps - Sync 53 / 9.5 Mbps @ 470m
Huawei modem -> RT-N66U -> Switch -> PC/Mac/Linux/NAS/Phone/TV - last speedtest
13 years of broadband - 1999 ntl:(512k/1M)/BTbusiness(2M)/Metronet(2M)/Bulldog(8M/16M)/BE(19M/16M)/BT FTTC(46M)
Standard User astateoftrance
(regular) Fri 14-Jun-13 20:27:24
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Would it work if I disable NAT on the Netgear and use the Asus as a router? or would there likely still be issues?
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Fri 14-Jun-13 20:30:04
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Ah! Right smile.

My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk | Domains,website and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Plusnet UnLim Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 53.4/16.8Mbps @ 600m. - BQM

"Where talent is a dwarf, self-esteem is a giant." - Jean-Antoine Petit-Senn.
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Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 14-Jun-13 22:02:00
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Would it work if I disable NAT on the Netgear and use the Asus as a router? or would there likely still be issues?

If you can change the netgear into a modem (bridge mode) that would be great, you then only have one router to configure for any gaming or any other requirements you might have.

James BT Infinity 2 19/09/2012 - Speeds 49 / 8.2 Mbps - Sync 53 / 9.5 Mbps @ 470m
Huawei modem -> RT-N66U -> Switch -> PC/Mac/Linux/NAS/Phone/TV - last speedtest
13 years of broadband - 1999 ntl:(512k/1M)/BTbusiness(2M)/Metronet(2M)/Bulldog(8M/16M)/BE(19M/16M)/BT FTTC(46M)
Standard User astateoftrance
(regular) Sat 15-Jun-13 12:22:33
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So I have the router up and running, I have set the Asus to WAP mode and have disabled wireless access to the Netgear. I am now connected to the internet via the Asus and it seems to be running fine, however I now cannot access the Asus router settings either via wireless or wired connection. It's meant to be 192.168.1.1 but it doesn't work now, the Netgear opens on 192.168.0.1 . I have tried turning the Netgear off but still can't access the Asus frown
Standard User astateoftrance
(regular) Sat 15-Jun-13 12:40:15
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Update - just found the Asus IP has been set as 192.168.0.3 . found it under connected devices in the Netgear settings smile
Standard User astateoftrance
(regular) Sat 15-Jun-13 18:07:38
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I have found out there is a hidden menu on the Netgear router which lets you switch it to bridge/modem mode. I did this and have the Asus set as a router. However I then have no internet connection, I get this error - You have set the wrong dynamic or static IP address for your RT-N56U. I tried the same thing with another router I have, a Netgear DGN1000 and the same thing happened so I had to do a factory reset on it.

So I am guessing it is not automatically setting the IP's correctly? I really have no idea what I should set them as. The Asus router was showing the Netgear one as being just 0 0 0 0 or something like that.
Standard User astateoftrance
(regular) Mon 17-Jun-13 09:33:43
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At the moment I have both the Netgear and Asus running as routers without any known issues. The LAN IP of the Netgear is 192.168.0.1 and subnet mask is 255.255.255.0. The LAN IP of the Asus is 192.168.1.3 and subnet mask also 255.255.255.0.

So if I want to have the Netgear in modem mode and the Asus as the router what should I change beforehand? I did not turn DHCP off but wouldn't that be disabled when the Netgear is in modem mode?

It seems strange that they work together ok when both working as routers but as soon as I change the Netgear to modem only mode it all goes wrong and the annoying thing is I cannot then access the Netgear settings.
Standard User astateoftrance
(regular) Thu 04-Jul-13 13:43:33
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I am still running both the Netgear and Asus in router mode and have not noticed any issues so I will probably just leave it as it is. No issues at all streaming media locally now and its useful having my printer connected to it. Really nice router smile
Standard User MUD_Wizard
(newbie) Sun 07-Jul-13 02:36:04
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So if I want to have the Netgear in modem mode and the Asus as the router what should I change beforehand? I did not turn DHCP off but wouldn't that be disabled when the Netgear is in modem mode?

It seems strange that they work together ok when both working as routers but as soon as I change the Netgear to modem only mode it all goes wrong and the annoying thing is I cannot then access the Netgear settings.


Did you setup the PPPoE login details on the Asus when the Netgear is in modem/bridged mode?

You usually need to leave the 'service name' blank on the Asus when the modem is in bridged mode (PPPoE to PPPoA).

When you use both as routers, then I'm assuming the Netgear is handling the login. Probably via PPPoA depending on your modem settings.


Naturally, the router and its settings get turned off when you set it to modem mode. That's what modem mode does. Turns it into a modem only.

Virgin Media 120/12 126mb/s down 11.5mb/s up.
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Edited by MUD_Wizard (Sun 07-Jul-13 02:42:11)

Standard User astateoftrance
(regular) Wed 10-Jul-13 19:08:24
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No I did not set up any login details on the Asus router, I thought that would still be handled by the Netgear when in modem/bridge mode. If it doesn't then that would explain why I lose the internet connection but would it also cause the IP problems I had?
Standard User MUD_Wizard
(newbie) Wed 10-Jul-13 20:03:48
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No I did not set up any login details on the Asus router, I thought that would still be handled by the Netgear when in modem/bridge mode. If it doesn't then that would explain why I lose the internet connection but would it also cause the IP problems I had?


You may be getting a temporary IP given because it didn't connect.

You really need to look at your modem settings and then all will become clear. Guessing won't help.

Take a step-by-step approach:

If when you plug a computer directly into your modem you don't need to setup a PPPoE connection on the computer with the login details for your ISP then your modem is still set to login.

If your computer uses the PPPoE login and that works then you should be able to do the same from the router settings.

However be aware not to put the service name in on the router, just the username and password.

Virgin Media 120/12 126mb/s down 11.5mb/s up.
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Standard User astateoftrance
(regular) Wed 10-Jul-13 21:06:40
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Ok, Thanks for the help smile I have a good idea on what to do now.
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