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Standard User colin020
(newbie) Wed 12-Mar-14 23:42:24
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I need a good ADSL router


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OK, subject says it all.

I have a client who owns a couple of hotels with 30+ rooms in each and, he wants a good, reliable router that can handle a lot of heavy traffic.

He has tried several already and is close to the end of his tether.

Price, within reason, is not an issue. What is required is a couple of units that do not constantly 'lock up' due to the volume of traffic.

Any suggestions welcome.
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Thu 13-Mar-14 00:41:45
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It would be useful to know the connection type and sync speed.

Also, are the rooms ethernet-wired, or is he intending the guests should connect wirelessly?

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Standard User MHC
(sensei) Thu 13-Mar-14 01:06:25
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For a 30 room hotel he should be looking at commercial equipment including switches to manage the traffic. Obviously it will depend on whether he provides wired or wireless access and if wireless dedicated WAPs connected to the switch. A router would sit upstream of the switch and a modem upsteam of that.


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Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Thu 13-Mar-14 01:46:52
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A router would sit upstream of the switch and a modem upsteam of that.
Only if it got extremely overheated tongue.

/me goes to bed on that note smile

My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk | Domains,site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Plusnet UnLim Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 59.4/14.4Mbps @ 600m. - BQM

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Standard User colin020
(newbie) Thu 13-Mar-14 08:55:01
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OK,

He has one ADSL2 line into each hotel
Connection speeds are not to bad. One achieves 18Mb whilst the other has reduced recently to 13.5Mb (I think that there might be an external fault)

He is trying to offer guests wireless access.

Currently using Draytek Wireless routers with up to 8 Edimax wireless repeaters (not the best) at each hotel.

It is not possible (due to a number of factors) to offer the guests wired access.
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Thu 13-Mar-14 09:12:11
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Is the issue that the bandwidth is being maxed out? i.e. issue not router buy how connection copes with lots of traffic

Given that people are probably watching iPlayer etc then this is the most likely solution, and general solution is

1. Rate limit individual connections, but with 30 rooms and 18 Mbps you end up so not one can stream video
2. Add more broadband capacity
3. Offer a two networks - free but slow and contended and a premium one offering say a rate limited 3.5 Mbps for a fee, and only sell 3 a day.

My suggestion is talk to the people at Solwise http://www.solwise.co.uk/wireless-hotspot.htm and see what they recommend given the site of the property.

Andrew Ferguson, [email protected]
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Standard User MHC
(sensei) Thu 13-Mar-14 09:31:07
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If the repeaters are truly wireless in that the connect to the router or each other wirelessly then that is going to cause real local contention and slow down issues. All wireless access points should connect back to the source through a wired connection back to a Gigabit switch - something like a Linksys.


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Standard User billford
(elder) Thu 13-Mar-14 09:34:50
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Can't entirely see the point of a gigabit switch when there's only a not many megabit connection to the internet...

Bill
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Standard User MHC
(sensei) Thu 13-Mar-14 09:47:08
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Can't entirely see the point of a gigabit switch when there's only a not many megabit connection to the internet...


Better spec'd probably with a better processor and having possibly 30 or more devices at peak times connected through 8 wireless channels could be a nice little traffic jam, some of the small 100Mbit ones can struggle when there are large numbers of devices connected. And they are not much more expensive.


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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Thu 13-Mar-14 12:29:26
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And in the current set-up people on the local LAN can probably see each other and might be torrenting between each other.

Wireless isolation so that one hotspot user cannot see another is a feature for some hot spot kits

Andrew Ferguson, [email protected]
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Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Thu 13-Mar-14 15:22:22
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As price within reason is not an issue, I'm no expert on the kit itself - others have said quite a bit already - but is he able to get an FTTC service at either?

I ask because whatever technical "best" solution comes up, those speeds aren't much to supply anything beyond browsing and email services to 30 rooms.

My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk | Domains,site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Plusnet UnLim Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 59.4/14.4Mbps @ 600m. - BQM

"Where talent is a dwarf, self-esteem is a giant." - Jean-Antoine Petit-Senn.
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Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 13-Mar-14 17:44:37
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Better spec'd probably with a better processor and having possibly 30 or more devices at peak times connected through 8 wireless channels could be a nice little traffic jam, some of the small 100Mbit ones can struggle when there are large numbers of devices connected. And they are not much more expensive.

Concur, there are 24 port gigabit switches for peanuts now - even with 19" rack mounting attachments.

Under £80 from TPLink:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-Link-TL-SG1024D-24-Port-G...

Or £116 from Netgear:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Netgear-Prosafe-24-Port-Giga...

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Standard User neils58
(newbie) Thu 13-Mar-14 21:12:43
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My money would be on the problem being in the wireless setup, rather than the router. Repeaters are murder on wireless bandwidth and cheap consumer access points struggle to share bandwidth equally amongst multiple clients.

Ideally you'd get cables to all the access point positions and some enterprise grade managed points in there - Ruckus, Aruba, Meru, Cisco, Meraki etc. A quick and inexpensive fix would be to connect the existing access points back to your router over powerline plugs and switch them into normal AP configuration.

You'll probably also want to set up client isolation, so that guests can't see each other.
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Thu 13-Mar-14 21:32:46
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There's mileage there, ethernet over homeplugs.

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Standard User colin020
(newbie) Fri 14-Mar-14 08:37:24
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Thanks for all the replies. Plenty to think about.

1st. FTTC (or any kind of fibre) is not available.

2nd. The design of the hotels (quite old) makes it almost impossible to hard wire anything.

3rd. The owner doesn't want to see(?) any wires anyway.

4th. Tried PowerLine adaptors in the past but, guests kept stealing them.

5th. As the 'system' works well during the daytime but fails in the evening, I suspect that the connection is being 'maxed out' by sheer demand.
The long term guests are mainly travelling workmen (about 24 of them) and they expect(?) the Free WiFi to be able to allow them all the comforts of home.

I just don't know what to do about it.
Standard User billford
(elder) Fri 14-Mar-14 08:57:56
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4th. Tried PowerLine adaptors in the past but, guests kept stealing them.
These might be worth a look.

4 ports may be overkill and they're a bit pricey, but at least they shouldn't go walkies!


edit- alternatively, a dollop of epoxy resin on the homeplug before you plug it in, but that might cause future problems tongue

Bill
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Edited by billford (Fri 14-Mar-14 09:04:14)

Standard User MHC
(sensei) Fri 14-Mar-14 09:22:42
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Based on those restrictions there is not much you can do.

With 24 people fighting for bandwidth and wireless repeaters taking bandwidth it will be worse than Piccadilly CIrcus in the rush hour!

The owner needs to accept that some wires are going to be necessary and with coloured Cat5e cable they can be installed reasonably unobtrusively.

What about getting another couple of ADSL lines installed and connecting some WAPs to each? Around £60/month each including line rental (may be lines with only voice on already) , so £120, 30 rooms, 20 nights/room is around 20p per room per night.


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Standard User neils58
(newbie) Sun 16-Mar-14 13:31:08
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Given the restrictions you would need to go for some of those enterprise grade brands I mentioned with dual radios, so that the AP's can keep their communication on their own 5GHz channel. This isn't cheap by any means.

Powerline wise, to prevent theft and look attractive Solwise do some that fit into the wall, replacing an existing double power socket. http://www.solwise.co.uk/net-powerline-av-wall-4pe.html

Honestly I'd look into getting professional wireless installers in to do a survey, and proper network installers in to give a quote on cabling the place up tidily. Wireless demands are increasing rapidly year by year so it's a sensible investment in the hotels future.
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