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Standard User joconnell
(experienced) Wed 30-Dec-15 16:03:49
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Yet another "which router?" thread


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I have Plusnet Fibre which included the BT Openreach VDSL modem and a [censored] Technicolor router which I immediately replaced with my Billion 7800n router which are arranged near the master socket as shown in the following pic which my wife not-so-lovingly refers to as mission control.

I plan on replacing both with an all-in-one VDSL router, but I'm not sure which one to get. The Netgear and Asus VDSL routers come highly recommended but given my wife's preference to have the broadband equipment hidden out of sight, the router will end up in the office upstairs and therefore a router with a very good wireless signal is a must so that the rest of the house downstairs will get decent WiFi through the walls and floor.

On that basis, can anyone recommend a suitable VDSL router?

My home is fully cat5e wired so feeding the VDSL signal from the master socket to another room in the house isn't an issue as I've done it before over the cat5e wiring.
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(staff) Wed 30-Dec-15 16:37:54
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Netgear D7000 Nighthawk not cheap at £139.99 (usually £164.99) but does it all in one and in theory with the AC and beamforming should be about as good as you can get from a single box solution.

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Standard User baby_frogmella
(fountain of knowledge) Wed 30-Dec-15 17:06:22
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In reply to a post by MrSaffron:
Netgear D7000 Nighthawk not cheap at £139.99 (usually £164.99) but does it all in one and in theory with the AC and beamforming should be about as good as you can get from a single box solution.


Sorry Mr S but the D7000 is soooooooo yesterday. OP, if you want the latest & bestest onesie then go for the Netgear D7800, the wifi on this will blow your brains away. Its an Atheros Qualcomm chipset 4x4 stream MiMo VDSL2 router, I have the Linksys EA8500 which is exactly the same minus the VDSL2 modem.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/D7800-100UKS-Nighthawk-Wirel...

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Standard User joconnell
(experienced) Wed 30-Dec-15 22:21:41
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In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:
In reply to a post by MrSaffron:
Netgear D7000 Nighthawk not cheap at £139.99 (usually £164.99) but does it all in one and in theory with the AC and beamforming should be about as good as you can get from a single box solution.


Sorry Mr S but the D7000 is soooooooo yesterday. OP, if you want the latest & bestest onesie then go for the Netgear D7800, the wifi on this will blow your brains away. Its an Atheros Qualcomm chipset 4x4 stream MiMo VDSL2 router, I have the Linksys EA8500 which is exactly the same minus the VDSL2 modem.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/D7800-100UKS-Nighthawk-Wirel...

That's way above my budget for which the D7000 is a more reasonable suggestion. I did check out the D7000 recently but I might take another look at it.
Thanks all.
Standard User joconnell
(experienced) Thu 31-Dec-15 00:09:55
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I see PC World have the Asus DSL-AC68U AC1900 VDSL2 for under £110 and also has the beam forming technology of the Netgear router.
Standard User Pipexer
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 31-Dec-15 01:40:35
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In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:
In reply to a post by MrSaffron:
Netgear D7000 Nighthawk not cheap at £139.99 (usually £164.99) but does it all in one and in theory with the AC and beamforming should be about as good as you can get from a single box solution.


Sorry Mr S but the D7000 is soooooooo yesterday. OP, if you want the latest & bestest onesie then go for the Netgear D7800, the wifi on this will blow your brains away. Its an Atheros Qualcomm chipset 4x4 stream MiMo VDSL2 router, I have the Linksys EA8500 which is exactly the same minus the VDSL2 modem.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/D7800-100UKS-Nighthawk-Wirel...

Have netgear finally sorted their firmware though? Or is it still cack as it has been for at least 10 years?

AAISP Home::1
Standard User shane605
(newbie) Thu 31-Dec-15 02:09:30
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In reply to a post by joconnell:
I see PC World have the Asus DSL-AC68U AC1900 VDSL2 for under £110 and also has the beam forming technology of the Netgear router.


If you use the code NETWORKING10 at checkout you can get it for less than £100. Bargain really smile

I'm currently looking for a new router myself but think i'm going to wait for a bit more information on the new Billion 8900ax-2400/1600. Suppose to be released in January, but they've been delaying the release for months now.
Standard User zyborg47
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 31-Dec-15 09:52:33
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Do that beam forming technology really work? I know someone on Vodafone and they have a the new router which have thew technology and he says it don't, but then only one of his devices have 802.11ac and even with that it makes little difference.

I am thinking of getting a new router myself, my old TP Link seems to have a problem with keeping itself up and running for some reason and I do not like the Sagecom one Plusnet sent me.

I did look at the Asus one, but it is a bit pricey to be honest, I know it is feature rich and have some of the newer Wi-fi specs, but i only have three devices on Wi-fi, my tablet, e-reader and my phone.
I am thinking about another TP-Link, maybe this one

Adrian

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Standard User PhilipD
(experienced) Thu 07-Jan-16 10:52:04
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Hi

Beam forming is mostly marketing, and there is no beam being formed or the router following around us and our mobile device as we move, it doesn't really work that way.

Throw 2 stones in a pound and the ripples spread out, at some point each circle of ripples meet, at the point they meet they might cancel each other out, (destructive interference) or amplify (construction interference). Beam forming is just sending the signal out in all directions as normal from 2 antennas, and by delaying the signal slightly from one, the aim is to make the "ripples" (radio waves) meat up at the devices antenna as constructive interference, so the signal appears stronger at the device than it otherwise might. As you can see, there is no beam involved at all, but that's marketing for you. This might help with one device, but when you have several devices connected, adjusting those ripples to benefit every device is not going to happen.

Like most things to do with Wi-Fi, marketing takes over the reality, which is why no one achieves the speeds printed on the box outside of a lab!

Regards

Phil
Standard User johnb2008
(regular) Thu 07-Jan-16 22:41:30
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My Asus router is fine, but the modem part is rubbish; I have to use the Openreach modem and use my Asus in router-only mode. If I use the Asus router in 'all in one' modem/router mode my TBB-measured download speed is halved to ~30Mb/s. When I put the Openreach modem back the speed immediately jumps back to 60Mb/s. There is a 60+ page thread about the Asus on the Overclockers website. Some people report the Asus as OK but many have problems. I am running the latest firmware, which makes it a bit more stable and reduces the number of dropouts down to only once or twice per day. It insists on running at an SNR of about 12dB, regardless of where I set the target SNR!

My advice is to steer clear of the Asus and go for the Netgear.

My provider is BT Infinity 2
Standard User comnut1
(newbie) Sun 17-Jan-16 12:28:46
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Yes, the Asus RT-AC68U (without the DSL) is expensive , but well worth it!! My work have been using this for 6 months, and it has great range, as well as login over web (no fiddling with cat 5's to change a setting!), and many good features...


As for the new netgear, well it may be worthwhile to wait for the reviews...

Edited by comnut1 (Sun 17-Jan-16 12:35:26)

Standard User Fido
(committed) Fri 22-Jan-16 09:37:21
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I am more than happy with my Asus DSL-AC68U which is both a modem and a router.

As a modem the modem part of the router, (for me), works really well with my BT Infinity connection with no dropouts at all.

Also, the wireless performance of this Asus router seems quite good and it is much better than the BT Homehub 5 that I keep as a spare.

A potential downside is that Asus do sometimes offer quite a lot of software updates in quick succession but I tend to wait at least 10 days before installing software updates or making router changes which generally appears to keep the BT line management software happy.

Fido

BT Infinity
Standard User Ragnarok
(member) Wed 16-Mar-16 10:15:58
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Beamforming is basic GCSE physics, adjusting the phase of 2 signals to adjust the interference pattern to produce a peak signal at the required location in the wave pattern. Outdoors this works brilliantly, predictably and significantly extends range without increasing transmission power. in a house many with signal blocking walls it may be harder to achieve.

In fact it's so simple, it a why didn't they do this sooner kind of thing.

My advice would be to get a RT-AC68U when it's on offer and use a separate modem ( this leave room for future broadband upgrades while being able to use the same router ), or keep your existing setup and buy and slightly modify the settings of somthing like cheep BT home hub 5 off e-bay to use as a AC wireless access point.

The latter is the cheapest way to get an wireless 802.1AC access point. regardless if your lucky enough to be able to get an upgrade, right now nothing short of a moderately fast PC acting as a router can realistically handle over 300mbps internet with full firewall protection and even the very latest routers cannot handle a full duplex gigabit connection and give full speeds even with cut through NAT which bypasses much of the firewall capabilities of a router.

Edited by Ragnarok (Wed 16-Mar-16 10:28:16)

Standard User JHo1
(regular) Wed 16-Mar-16 10:45:21
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I suspect that if you ask 10 people you'll get 10 different answers. I have an ASUS AC66U, with HG612 modem. For various reasons, it is upstairs, similar to what you are proposing(?). My experience is that you can forget 5GHz reception unless you are standing in the same room. 2.4GHz is very similar to every other router I've ever had (it's predecessor was a Billion 7800N) meaning that it's fine throughout the house for something with a big aerial, say a laptop, but a phone or tablet, with a much smaller aerial (I assume) will struggle. Consequently I have a Devolo thing sat in the corner of the downstairs living room connected over the mains. I hate the damn thing and would really like to take up floorboards, channel into the plaster etc but.... management says no frown

So I'd suggest that you buy a cheapish n device for upstairs and put an AP in downstairs. You can get some very discreet ones which you just might get past the management. After all, she uses wifi too. smile

John

Edited by JHo1 (Wed 16-Mar-16 10:46:35)

Standard User Spl
(newbie) Wed 16-Mar-16 10:48:33
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I have this:

http://www.tp-link.com/en/products/details/cat-9_Arc...

It's 'supported' by the latest releases of OpenWRT and Gargoyle, both very powerful firmwares with serious QOS capability.
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