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I bought some phone line cable from Maplin and crimped it, and the internal cable colours are blue, green, white, and black. Aren't these the wrong colours? I thought they were meant to be red, brown, green, blue or something. Did Maplin give me the wrong cable???
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Can you post a link to the cable you bought on the Maplin site?
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I didn't. I went into a Maplin store and bought it, asked them to sell me some phone cable.
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I took a piccie of the cable that i crimped (then crimped the inner cable with a Stanley knife) - doesn't look like twisted pair:
http://game-point.net/misc/Maplin-phone-cable.jpg
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That's not phone cable, and crimping with a Stanley knife is not good - don't do it.
http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/eagle-telephone-cable-cw13... is what they should have sold you.
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The cable in your picture looks like the flat/oval flexible cable used between a BT male plug and the phone itself.
If you're doing some fixed wiring i.e phone socket, etc. this is the one you need, spec. CW1308
http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/telephone-cable-cw1308-fou...
For broadband wiring after master socket it's CAT5e or better.
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Well I don't know how else to crimp those tiny cables 
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What sort of connector are you trying to crimp? BT Plug as on phone lead, or BT socket on wall?
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http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/rj45-rj11-rj12-networking-...
For RJ11/RJ45 only though, if crimping for standard BT plugs then would need to do some more searching to find the tool
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BT socket on the wall. I do have a crimping tool I think for the white outer sheath and a tool to press the little wires into those metal blades.
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Very helpful, thanks guys. What would I do without this place? 
What would happen if I tried to use this cable for an extension socket then?
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The fact its not twisted would mean a greater level of noise pickup, so for most phone use not a problem, but for ADSL or VDSL2 extra noise will mean slower speeds or instability
Also its not a solid core but stranded, which as others have suggested sounds like you've been sold telephone handset wire rather than extension wiring.
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This is what you should be using:
https://www.kenable.co.uk/product_info.php?products_...
But that's the wrong cable for it.
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What would happen if I tried to use this cable for an extension socket then?
OK for voice if good terminations made, pants for DSL ...... avoid, avoid, avoid.
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To me it sounds like you are confusing the term "crimped".
When you say "crimped" do you actually just mean "strip" the outer sheath off the wires?
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Or possibly pushing the wires into the terminals on the faceplate?
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When you do get the correct cable, ensure you don't "strip" the end of the wire to expose the copper before using the IDC terminals.
Consider carefully the routing of the cable ie do not run it alongside electrical wiring.
Also - given your old style master socket how are you installing this? & finally I worry you may introduce a bridge tap on the line... This is not good for FTTC.
Care to detail your plans and we can assist?
Edited by ukhardy07 (Thu 01-Jun-17 16:17:06)
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Something that seems to have got lost in the three threads the OP has posted on this, we don't even know where or what sort of master socket he has.
That is the first priority. Any advice until then is dodgy.
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I have another thread on that. It's a [censored] old one probably installed in the early 80s. I'm hoping to get an Openreach engineer round to replace the whole thing before I do the extension (though I hear it can be rather a crapshoot - up to the engineer on the day - as to whether he gives you a nice new NTE5C or not).
Edited by jez9999 (Thu 01-Jun-17 16:48:31)
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Is the extension for phone or modem?
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What would cause a bridge tap on the line?
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Phone. The modem's plugging into the master socket's VDSL faceplate, like I had for my previous setup.
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In that case the extension should be attached to the faceplate of the master. A flat cable can still introduce noise so you should use twisted pair.
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What else would it be attached to?
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Courtesy of Zarjaz (I like his explanation):
"A bridge tap in terms of an FTTC circuit in the U.K. is when the point where connection to the modem is made is not from the first point on the circuit (ie the NTE) and this point isn't fitted with a faceplate filter if there is extension wiring connected.
It might also mean the line is star wired prior to the effective NTE."
It does not appear you are going down this route.
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There actually is star wiring on this, one to the master bedroom and one hilariously to the kitchen, through the garage and round the back. I'm gonna ask the engineer to disconnect that too.
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For broadband wiring after master socket it's CAT5e or better.
Why? CW1308 will be perfectly fine for that.
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You would be best using that in place of shoe laces!
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"Hardware
(hopefully to come):
Master socket: NTE5A with MK3 VDSL filter faceplate"
Good choice - various reviews seem to suggest that the NTE5C/Mk4 combo can be a bit iffy.
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There are 2 choices in this image https://community.bt.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-i... It should be in the red not in the yellow. Don't attach the ring wire to (3) unless you really have to.
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There actually is star wiring on this, one to the master bedroom and one hilariously to the kitchen, through the garage and round the back. I'm gonna ask the engineer to disconnect that too. Who is your ISP? Where star wiring is present they should issue an engineer and fit an NTE free of charge (generally speaking).
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That's not phone cable, and crimping with a Stanley knife is not good - don't do it.
http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/eagle-telephone-cable-cw13... is what they should have sold you.
Heh, they almost didn't give me a refund. Maplin's policy is not to do so for cut cable. But luckily they were nice and did so as it was a decent length.
I now have some CW1308 for the extension instead. I think what I was sold before was this: http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/flat-ipc-telephone-cable-c...
IPC telephone cable. Kind of odd they didn't ask why I needed 20m of the stuff.
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There actually is star wiring on this, one to the master bedroom and one hilariously to the kitchen, through the garage and round the back. I'm gonna ask the engineer to disconnect that too. Who is your ISP? Where star wiring is present they should issue an engineer and fit an NTE free of charge (generally speaking).
Is that so? My ISP is Zen who are usually pretty good. They mentioned that I had star wiring but didn't say anything about why that would mean an engineer could fit an NTE free of charge, as the socket isn't actually 'faulty'. What kind of issue would they raise with Openreach?
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Hmm, are you in contract with Zen? If not would you consider getting a new line installed with an alternative ISP, as part of a new line installation they will have no option but to install a modern master at a location of your choosing.
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Why? Where is the requirement that they install a new master?
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If you have two phone lines installed, you will need two master sockets 
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Why? Where is the requirement that they install a new master?
A new line setup means you will lose the existing landline number, but a new line setup does include a new master socket at a location of your choice.
Most ISPs will install a new line for free if you call, but you do lose access to any cashback deals online. BT are known to do this via phone.
Talktalk install it for free generally.
Sky charge usually £9 to £100 depending but again via the phone often waiver it.
At the end you'll have the existing zen setup and a second new master at a location of your choosing with another ISP e.g. BT Talktalk Sky etc. Then simply cancel the zen service and the existing old zen master isn't used.
EDIT: had a look BT are doing it for free right now online.
Edited by ukhardy07 (Thu 01-Jun-17 23:22:26)
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Why? Where is the requirement that they install a new master?
A new line setup means you will lose the existing landline number, but a new line setup does include a new master socket at a location of your choice.
Most ISPs will install a new line for free if you call, but you do lose access to any cashback deals online. BT are known to do this via phone.
Talktalk install it for free generally.
Sky charge usually £9 to £100 depending but again via the phone often waiver it.
At the end you'll have the existing zen setup and a second new master at a location of your choosing with another ISP e.g. BT Talktalk Sky etc. Then simply cancel the zen service and the existing old zen master isn't used.
EDIT: had a look BT are doing it for free right now online.
Erm, and what if I actually want to stay with Zen?
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Erm, and what if I actually want to stay with Zen? Well everything you have told us about what they are saying to you is that they have no intention of helping you solve the problem. As far as they are concerned you are on your own.
This is exactly the attitude they have displayed over the last two or three years whenever any Home user gets a problem with their broadband.
For premium suppliers look instead at AAISP and IDNet. For mass market BT or Sky.
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Just to be clear I have moved house 6 times over the last 10 or so years. In all that time my setup has never been less than perfect and my ISPs (all mass market) have always issued engineers.
In one property I had star wiring and no official master, Sky didn't blink an eyelid when I asked for an engineer to bring it upto spec. They even let me know upfront it would not be chargeable and to callback if I did get a charge. At the same time they sorted me out two free wifi boosters.
With BT I have recently moved here.
I had the master socket in a bedroom but BTTV in the living room. Power line adapters were not working too well... BT arranged a master socket move usually at £130 free of charge and relocated my mater to the living room. They also changed my master to the latest model. They also arranged a new contract with me bringing my total price including line rental to £25.99 a month for fibre optic infinity 1.
You will note I asked the question:
"would you consider getting a new line installed with an alternative ISP?"
In all my years on a variety of forums, I have never seen Zen waiver a socket move or waiver engineer charges. If you wish to stay with zen you will need to pay the £130 charge and even then it seems zen won't guarantee the work you're paying for is done. My personal view is they rarely go out of their way to "wow" the customer... mass market similarly does not, although you generally find if you ask nicely they have some flexibility given the size of their outfit.
I have no need to convince you to change ISP I was merely looking for a good alternative & most likely a cost saving also. Should you be facing this much resistance from your ISP for what is a basic task, definitely not.
Edited by ukhardy07 (Fri 02-Jun-17 01:38:10)
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It is odd, because apart from this I've found Zen to be an excellent ISP in terms of network reliability, uncapped data transfer, IPv6 support, etc.
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