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Standard User sobeitjedi
(learned) Tue 23-Jun-20 12:22:32
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SSE Broadband with a BT Smart Hub 2?


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Hi.

Can a BT Smart Hub 2 be used with another ISP?

I'm trying to use one with SSE fibre connection but am getting this error when entering my username: https://photos.app.goo.gl/CBFDBB8deUe3QDZq7
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Tue 23-Jun-20 13:19:26
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No the Smart Hubs only understand BT and Plusnet username domains

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Standard User sobeitjedi
(learned) Tue 23-Jun-20 17:36:05
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Re: SSE Broadband with a BT Smart Hub 2?


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Shame that it's locked. Grrr.

Can you recommend an upgrade on the standard technicolor modem/router?


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Standard User MHC
(sensei) Tue 23-Jun-20 23:04:23
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Re: SSE Broadband with a BT Smart Hub 2?


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Will teh Technicolour work in modem only bridge mode? If so, you can use the Smarthub as a router.


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Standard User sobeitjedi
(learned) Wed 24-Jun-20 07:57:25
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Re: SSE Broadband with a BT Smart Hub 2?


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I really only want the one device - not a separate modem & router.

Currently looking at the previous version of the Smart Hub - some suggest that it can accept any username (not just BT ones)

Edited by sobeitjedi (Wed 24-Jun-20 08:07:29)

Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Wed 24-Jun-20 09:38:46
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If the technicolor is in bridge mode then the PPPoE is handled by the router and that is a smart hub with its domain locking

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Standard User ian72
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 24-Jun-20 10:28:56
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What's your budget? Many options out there but the best option (for you) will depend on what you are willing to spend.
Standard User sobeitjedi
(learned) Wed 24-Jun-20 14:31:39
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£150 - I have looked but there doesn't seem to be one outstanding option.
Standard User sobeitjedi
(learned) Thu 25-Jun-20 11:58:44
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Maybe this one is winning so far: https://www.amazon.co.uk/ASUS-DSL-AC68U-Dual-Band-Wi...
Standard User sobeitjedi
(learned) Thu 25-Jun-20 12:02:02
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Feel odd that this was a best buy in 2014 though - was hoping for something more up-to-date
Standard User jdigzlol7
(newbie) Thu 25-Jun-20 12:14:09
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Fritz box
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Thu 25-Jun-20 12:18:39
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Broadcom DSL chipset I believe, which is good.

What is bad is that price on Amazon, Currys seems to be under £200 at present.

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Standard User MHC
(sensei) Thu 25-Jun-20 12:51:32
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It is £139.99 on Amazon - the link is deceptive. In the drop down box, select the AC1900 option.


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Standard User j0hn83
(fountain of knowledge) Thu 25-Jun-20 13:02:04
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In reply to a post by sobeitjedi:
Maybe this one is winning so far: https://www.amazon.co.uk/ASUS-DSL-AC68U-Dual-Band-Wi...


I beg you not to buy the DSL-AC68U.

Worst DSL chipset... ever.

The earlier Asus DSL models have a horrible, nasty Mediatek chipset inside and should be avoided at all costs.

Edited by j0hn83 (Thu 25-Jun-20 13:02:17)

Standard User sobeitjedi
(regular) Thu 25-Jun-20 13:10:09
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Doesn't it have a Broadcom chipset?

"Super-fast AC Wi-Fi with TurboQAM Wi-Fi acceleration
Powered by 5th generation Wi-Fi (5G Wi-Fi), the new 802.11ac Broadcom chipset gives the DSL-AC68U superfast Gigabit wireless speeds."
Standard User j0hn83
(fountain of knowledge) Thu 25-Jun-20 13:27:29
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In reply to a post by sobeitjedi:
Doesn't it have a Broadcom chipset?

"Super-fast AC Wi-Fi with TurboQAM Wi-Fi acceleration
Powered by 5th generation Wi-Fi (5G Wi-Fi), the new 802.11ac Broadcom chipset gives the DSL-AC68U superfast Gigabit wireless speeds."


It has a Broadcom wireless chipset.

The xDSL chipset is mediatek and is horrible.

I'm sure many members will confirm how horrible this modem is.
Standard User sobeitjedi
(regular) Thu 25-Jun-20 13:35:43
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What issues do you think this chipset results in?

I've ordered one now, seemed to be the best reviewed out of all dsl modem/router combos in my budget.
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Thu 25-Jun-20 13:36:00
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Currys £189.99 AC3100 AC88U version

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Standard User j0hn83
(fountain of knowledge) Thu 25-Jun-20 13:37:07
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In reply to a post by MrSaffron:
Currys £189.99 AC3100 AC88U version


The OP linked the DSL-AC68U.

Amazon buddle them in 1 listing and show the 88U when you click the link.
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(staff) Thu 25-Jun-20 13:37:53
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The AC1900 is the older ASUS DSL-AC68U which I believe is using the poor mediatek chipset for the modem and thus generally best avoided

Also slower wi-fi but way faster than VDSL2 needs.

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Standard User j0hn83
(fountain of knowledge) Thu 25-Jun-20 13:40:42
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In reply to a post by sobeitjedi:
What issues do you think this chipset results in?

I've ordered one now, seemed to be the best reviewed out of all dsl modem/router combos in my budget.


Instability, it breaks rules in UPBO.

It doesn't follow G.INP standards correctly so much so OpenReach have taken the decision to remove G.INP on these devices.

If you are on a Huawei cabinet this will seriously impact the speed, stability and likely the latency of your connection if the connection is interleaved.

This is the only device in aware of that OpenReach has done this with.

G.INP is 1 of the best technologies to get rolled out on FTTC for speed, stability and latency.

The DLM will not lower the target SNRM without G.INP either.

Edited by j0hn83 (Thu 25-Jun-20 13:41:20)

Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Thu 25-Jun-20 13:41:29
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Cannot recall the nature and newer firmware might be better, but best avoided particularly given the cost.

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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Thu 25-Jun-20 13:42:08
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Figured that out now...

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Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 25-Jun-20 13:46:58
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In reply to a post by MrSaffron:
The AC1900 is the older ASUS DSL-AC68U which I believe is using the poor mediatek chipset for the modem and thus generally best avoided
Also doesn't support third party firmware, the 88U is a very different beast.

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Standard User sobeitjedi
(regular) Thu 25-Jun-20 13:47:34
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Ok, I'll cancel the order and try the ac3100 model from Currys (even though it's much more than I hoped to spend)
Standard User sobeitjedi
(regular) Thu 25-Jun-20 13:49:12
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Arrggghh - it's out of stock.

What next? Any other suggestions?
Standard User sobeitjedi
(regular) Thu 25-Jun-20 18:56:28
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This one? https://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-LINK-Archer-VR2100-Advan...

Some of the reviews don't fill me with confidence though
Standard User sobeitjedi
(regular) Thu 25-Jun-20 19:08:08
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Or the model up? https://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-LINK-Archer-VR2100-Advan...
Standard User jdigzlol7
(newbie) Thu 25-Jun-20 20:34:47
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I use this

https://www.amazon.co.uk/AVM-Wireless-Router-Superve...

Find it to be good enough and no issues.
Standard User sobeitjedi
(regular) Fri 26-Jun-20 10:20:44
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Tempted by the AVM FRITZ!Box 7590, just concerned about it's range. One of the issues I wish to overcome over my existing Technicolor is some black spots in the house (it's only a small house, so I should be able to get away without any boosters/repeaters). I have managed this with other routers.
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Fri 26-Jun-20 10:45:57
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Solving wi-fi not spots can be fun, i.e. what works for one person may not work for you in terms of routers.

The Mesh and WiFi disc options are the best path to solve things.

If you accept using a VDSL2 modem in bridge mode, then your choice of router is much wider. The TP-Link W9970 may be old but it is cheap (turn off wireless) but in bridge mode its stable and runs with G.INP and vectoring for VDSL2 and will happily feed the wide choice of routers with Ethernet WAN ports.

Had my W9970 for 4 years now and would replace with same if it died, and if buying a router something like ASUS RT-AX56U Wifi 6 AX1800 Dual-Band Mesh where WiFi speeds will far exceed VDSL2 speeds and can mesh with other Asus AIMesh routers if I needed to fill in coverage gaps in the wifi. Though as I know FTTP is on the way I might consider spending more on the main WiFi router to find something that should deliver 500 Mbps over WiFi easily

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Standard User sobeitjedi
(regular) Fri 26-Jun-20 15:21:02
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Thanks for the reply, but two devices isn't an option - needs to be an all in one solution.
Standard User towdgeezer
(learned) Fri 26-Jun-20 16:27:42
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In reply to a post by sobeitjedi:
Tempted by the AVM FRITZ!Box 7590, just concerned about it's range. One of the issues I wish to overcome over my existing Technicolor is some black spots in the house (it's only a small house, so I should be able to get away without any boosters/repeaters). I have managed this with other routers.

I can recommend the cheaper 7530 Fritz!box.
I got it to replace a Billion BiPac 8900AX-2400 which my other half took exception to. I must admit it was an ugly beast, not helped by the 4 huge aerials and the sloping base to help cooling.
The Fritz!box is much more to her liking and performs at least as well as the Billion if not better.
Wireless reception in a well (all brick) built house is better than the Billion despite that beast's fancy aerials. The Fritz!box aerials are tiny PCB tracks but it out performs the Billion over one storey and along one room.
The Billion achieves -60 dBm to my laptop and the Fritz!Box -50dBm.
The GUI is very good and the indicated distance to the VDSL cabinet is very accurate at 253 metres.
I can recommend it as being the best router I've bought.

towdgeezer
Standard User longedge
(experienced) Fri 26-Jun-20 16:50:02
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That's made my mind up for me. I was looking for recommendations in another thread and have spent too much time 'umming and 'ahhing smile Have ordered one.

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Standard User sobeitjedi
(regular) Sat 27-Jun-20 17:15:23
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Thanks for all the replies.

Have ordered the AVM FRITZ!Box 7590 UK Version and now I have to patiently wait for it to arrive in mid-July.

Still disappointed that the BT Smart Hub 2 is locked down. Hopefully someone can find a workaround one day.

For now, I hope the Fritz box lives up to the hype.
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