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Standard User Banger
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 06-Jul-20 01:17:59
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My Journey with Asus routers


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I bought a DSL-N55U in 2015 on recommendation of someone on this forum. It was ok as a modem/router but excellent as a router. I converted the it into a pure router in 2015 and never looked back. Wifi has been rock solid over the past 5 years but security updates stopped in 2016 with a beta firmware where a few security holes were fixed.

Having had good service from the hardware of the N55U I decided to upgrade to faster wifi as I had purchased a laptop with ac wifi and the N55U is only N. After trying the ZyXel VMG3925-B10A (second hand) and VMG-8924-B10A both had weak wifi performance. So I decided to buy new as I had no come back on Second hand out of manufacture routers.

So I intially went for RT-AC58U but after a week found the wifi unreliable and TV streaming was dropping out. So I did some research and located a review that recommended the RT-AC1200G+ so sent the AC58 back for refund and bought the 1200G+ in Feb.

Every now and then when downloading a 1gb file on the 1200G+ on a wired connection it would get to 886mb then the PPP session would drop. This was usually after the router had been idle overnight. I could then download the same 1gb file after the PPP session had re-connected several time and it was fine.

This became annoying when I was trying to update my laptop to Windows 10 2004 over wifi as it would download updates but the PPP session would fall over and the setup would fail so I decided after advice from Asus Technical support to return the 1200G+ for replacement. Which I did.

The replacement turned up on Saturday gone, (kudos Amazon) and has been on test since then. I did a basic Quick setup not using any of the advanced features like IPV6 or QoS. So far so good. After lots of testing the PPP session has stayed up through lots of large downloads and large file transfers over wifi which would also make the last one fall over too. I will test for a week before I start changing configuration gradually but I have noticed that when downloading on the faulty 1200G+, CPU use on the router was 100% but with this basic config and the new router the CPU use is 20% when downloading the same 1gb file.

The testing continues, so far so good.

Tim
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Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 06-Jul-20 08:03:18
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Some of the advanced features have to look at every packet going through the router. This uses a lot of CPU. When these are off, the router uses something called "acceleration" which moves the packets without using the main CPU.

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Standard User Banger
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 06-Jul-20 11:09:12
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Thanks for the info that would explain CPU use.

Edit: Enabling QoS makes the CPU jump to 80-90% when downloading a 1gb file.

Tim
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Edited by Banger (Mon 06-Jul-20 11:25:47)


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Standard User Banger
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 06-Jul-20 18:42:29
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Re: My Journey with Asus routers


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Do I need QoS on a 60mbps line?

Tim
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Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 06-Jul-20 18:56:53
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In reply to a post by Banger:
Do I need QoS on a 60mbps line?

QoS is useful when you have a lot of people in your home using high load (e.g. all watching netflix) and you want to balance their download with upload e.g. sending emails.

I've never used it.

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Standard User Banger
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 06-Jul-20 19:37:50
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Many thanks.

Tim
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Standard User Banger
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 07-Jul-20 23:16:11
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Well I have tested a 1gb download while transferring 4gb over wifi and so far it seems stable, little bit of a slowdown on the 1gb file when uploading over wifi but no problem when downloading over wifi the 1gb remained constant speed.

Tim
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Standard User Banger
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 08-Jul-20 21:55:14
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Further info after 2 days uptime downloads slow down to about 44mbps and after a reboot back to 65 mbps. Going to try another 2 day uptime see if it is repeatable.

Tim
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Standard User Banger
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 10-Jul-20 21:58:09
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Further thinking I have 3 options at this point. If the 1200G fails to download at full speed after 2 days, I can turn my ZyXel modem into a router and use the 1200G as an access point. Or use the reboot scheduler once a day for the 1200G as a router. The third option is for Asus to fix the firmware which may take a while if at all.

Tim
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Standard User Highland76
(member) Fri 10-Jul-20 22:19:50
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Or maybe buy a better Asus router such as the RT-AC86U?

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Standard User Banger
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 10-Jul-20 22:23:44
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Good point. But they share the same firmware unless I experiment with merlin and it is a bit out of my budget.

Tim
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Standard User Banger
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 11-Jul-20 00:52:29
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Well that is 2 days 3 hours up time and downloads and wifi transfers still ok. I think if I make a reconfig I will have to do a full reboot as well. See how long it goes.

Tim
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Standard User Highland76
(member) Sat 11-Jul-20 08:28:21
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In reply to a post by Banger:
Good point. But they share the same firmware unless I experiment with merlin and it is a bit out of my budget.

Nope, they use different firmware as they have different hardware components. Otherwise look for a used RT-AC68U or RT-AC87U on ebay, they can often be bought for < £100 - both will be significantly better than your current RT-AC1200G+ which is a budget Asus model.

Alternatively consider a Netgear R6300v2 such as this. Its one of the best wifi 5 routers out there.

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Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 11-Jul-20 10:01:59
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In reply to a post by Highland76:
Nope, they use different firmware as they have different hardware components.
Agreed, for the faster lines you need the faster CPU in the RT-AC86U or RT-AC88U models.

The WiFi 6 models are significantly more expensive (e.g. the RT-AX88U)

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Standard User Banger
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 11-Jul-20 15:26:17
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Thanks for the advice both of you, I will keep my eye on Ebay for a RT-AC86U.

Tim
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Edited by Banger (Sat 11-Jul-20 16:17:33)

Standard User j0hn83
(fountain of knowledge) Sat 11-Jul-20 17:36:28
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I've been using the RT-AC68U for years.
Great router, supported by Merlin, and a bit cheaper than the 86U.

I get a pinch under 1Gb/s over WiFi to my PC (with a PCE-AC68 fitted).
Standard User Banger
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 11-Jul-20 18:37:03
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Thanks John I will look out for that model too.

Tim
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Standard User Banger
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 11-Jul-20 19:04:09
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To heck with it, I have ordered a new AC68U from Amazon and will be returning the 1200G.

Tim
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Standard User wolvesmad
(knowledge is power) Sat 11-Jul-20 23:58:12
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I've got a similar setup to yours, a VMG1312-B10A and an RT-AC68u.

After testing a wide range of routers, the RT-AC68U is a superb router for the money.

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Standard User Banger
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 12-Jul-20 00:17:19
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What firmware do you use Wolvesmad? I have seen two merlin based alternatives for the AC68U.

Tim
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Standard User Banger
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 13-Jul-20 18:56:26
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Well it arrived and seems a solid bit of kit. Just done a basic config and the firmware updated automatically. Now in testing.

Tim
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Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 13-Jul-20 19:07:07
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In reply to a post by Banger:
Well it arrived and seems a solid bit of kit. Just done a basic config and the firmware updated automatically. Now in testing.

I use the Merlin firmware with mine, the main change is that in the usage monitoring, I can save the info to a USB stick in the back. With the factory firmware, the data is lost if the router reboots.

I had an RT-AC68U, and moved last Dec to an RT-AX88U - and those are not cheap ! smile

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Standard User Banger
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 13-Jul-20 19:12:30
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Thanks jchaimer for the tips. I have copies of the latest Merlin and John's Fork on my drive but if this is stable I will be keeping it going. I doubt I will use the monitoring I have just had a quick look, or AIProtection as it identified my modem monitor as a threat. Just might stick with the default firmware until the warranty runs out if it goes that long. laugh

Having played with the Traffic Analyzer I can see its value. Need to play around a bit more and get some data.

Tim
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Edited by Banger (Mon 13-Jul-20 21:22:27)

Standard User Banger
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 14-Jul-20 22:29:05
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Well the 68U has been up for 1 day 8 hours and hasn't dropped PPP session once. Wifi is also pretty stable, I also noticed on one of the firmware updates

ASUS RT-AC68U Firmware version 3.0.0.4.385.20490
- Improved connection stability.
- Optimized CPU utilization.
- Fixed some UI bugs.
- Fixed login bugs.

Maybe the 1200G just hasn't caught up with the above fixes. Liking the extras as well like Traffic Analyser and AI Protection.

Tim
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