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Standard User jono2020
(newbie) Mon 26-Oct-20 10:51:00
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Best new routers for long line


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Hello there.

Going to be switching to an isp in the coming weeks where i need to have my own router. I am running the FTTC 80/20 atm.

I used to have a billion bipac 7800N as im on a line with approx 4100m of length before i switched to using Plusnets own router. Id like to get something newer than my old billion but works just as well on long lines. Do i really need a router that works well on long lines now that im connected to a local cabinet? All too techy for me.

I run a mesh wifi extender system off my current PN router too but cant remember the brand at the moment.

Any recommendations much appreciated.

Thanks.
Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 26-Oct-20 14:01:17
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as im on a line with approx 4100m

From the exchange possibly.

That distance from the cabinet would give no sync at all on FTTC.

Standard User jono2020
(newbie) Mon 26-Oct-20 14:35:01
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Sorry yes thats what i meant. 4100m to exchange. As im getting my fibre from the near cabinet would i need to get a modem/router thats suited for long lines or would it not be necessary?


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Standard User witchunt
(experienced) Mon 26-Oct-20 15:04:43
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Distance to the exchange is not really relevant. What is your connection speed now?
Standard User jono2020
(newbie) Mon 26-Oct-20 15:11:33
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My plusnet portal is reporting 72mb down and 17mb up.

I had a broadband engineer come to install thw mesh wifi system a few months back and said the line was showing as solid with vwryblittle to no errors amazingly.
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(staff) Mon 26-Oct-20 15:46:29
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72 Mbps from VDSL2 is good and suggests close to cabinet, i.e. a short line

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Standard User Andrue
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 26-Oct-20 16:49:10
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In reply to a post by jono2020:
My plusnet portal is reporting 72mb down and 17mb up.

I had a broadband engineer come to install thw mesh wifi system a few months back and said the line was showing as solid with vwryblittle to no errors amazingly.
That's a fairly short line (less than 300 metres I'd say). Almost within range of G.FAST.

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Standard User JHo1
(member) Mon 26-Oct-20 17:08:56
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I'm guessing that you used the Billion on ADSL and switched to Plusnet's router when you switched to FTTC. You can't use the Billion (as perhaps you know) as it doesn't have a VDSL modem. You'll either have to pair it with a modem or buy a combined modem/router.

I'm using a 7800N paired with a HG612 modem. I've found that it gives a good, stable connection. I tried a Fritzbox 7530 but had problems with stability and a poorer connection speed.

I'm sure others can advise on a good combined modem/router if that's what you'd prefer.

John
Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Mon 26-Oct-20 20:15:39
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Unless your Plusnet router is locked down, just changing the login-details should work. Which ISP are you changing to?

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Standard User jono2020
(newbie) Tue 27-Oct-20 16:47:20
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My billion is broke anyway so will have to get a new router entirely.

Im going to go with one of the smaller ISPs.. Either AAISP, IDNet or Aquiss.

All 3 seem very reputable so will be hard to choose.
Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Tue 27-Oct-20 22:49:48
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I've used AAISP and IDNet for FTTC. Of the two I would go back to AAISP. Aquiss I have not used but in the pre-FTTC days I was frequently recommending ADSL2+ providers, where in effect the choice was much wider. They were always in my short-list of five.

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Standard User adslmax
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 28-Oct-20 01:11:17
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AAISP are not unlimited FTTC. Very hard cap usage! I would avoid it

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Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 28-Oct-20 08:48:16
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AAISP are not unlimited FTTC. Very hard cap usage! I would avoid it
Not everyone uses the internet as hard as you must do. My router tells me I used 400GB in Sept, and 350GB in August. I work from home and watch a lot of internet streaming TV shows. (Netflix, Amazon, AppleTV+ etc).

AAISP's prices are here - https://www.aa.net.uk/broadband/home1/

300GB of usage is a £45/month price
2000GB (2TB) of usage is £55/month price.
These include the line rental, but no analogue phone service.

Expensive, but not insane, when I'm paying £47/month for Virgin Cable (200 Mbps download / 20 Mbps upload).

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Standard User GonePostal
(committed) Wed 28-Oct-20 09:25:12
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Don't forget that AAISP have a roll-over policy which carries forward half of any surplus quota to the next month and that you can also change the quota tagged to your account at any time.

If you use 400GB in an average month you could sign up to the 2000GB package in month one then drop down to the 300GB package in month two. Over the months you would see the following allowances:

Month 1 Allowance 2000GB Usage 400GB Carried forward 800GB
Month 2 Allowance 1100GB Usage 400GB Carried forward 350GB
Month 3 Allowance 650GB Usage 400GB Carried forward 125GB
Month 4 Allowance 425GB Usage 400GB Carried forward 12GB

At that point you again take on one month of the 2000GB quota.

Rounding things out your annual spend would be 9 x £45 + 3 x £55 = £570 or an average spend of £47.50 per month which again is not an unreasonable amount given the service level.
Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Wed 28-Oct-20 09:51:52
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Don't forget that AAISP have a roll-over policy which carries forward half of any surplus quota to the next month and that you can also change the quota tagged to your account at any time.

If you use 400GB in an average month you could sign up to the 2000GB package in month one then drop down to the 300GB package in month two. Over the months you would see the following allowances:

Month 1 Allowance 2000GB Usage 400GB Carried forward 800GB
Month 2 Allowance 1100GB Usage 400GB Carried forward 350GB
Month 3 Allowance 650GB Usage 400GB Carried forward 125GB
Month 4 Allowance 425GB Usage 400GB Carried forward 12GB

At that point you again take on one month of the 2000GB quota.

Rounding things out your annual spend would be 9 x £45 + 3 x £55 = £570 or an average spend of £47.50 per month which again is not an unreasonable amount given the service level.
Not only does unused quota roll over, so does unused roll-over. (Not easily obvious from your correct example smile). On my 200GB I started most months with well over 350GB available.

Apply the same principle to the 1TB or 2TB tariffs and .....

Plus they keep improving the tariffs. I joined on 100GB 80/20. After a while they dropped the 40/10 product and gave those users the full 80/20 at the same price. (Obviously that only benefitted those who could get over 40Mbps sync). At the same time they dropped the price of 80/20 to the price of 40/10.

Later they doubled the allowance on all tariffs.

Whether there have been any later improvements I don't know. I ditched landline broadband in December 2018.

It's Max talking rubbish again for the sake of something to say.

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Standard User jono2020
(newbie) Wed 28-Oct-20 10:51:40
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Its AAISP im favouring to be honest. The 300GB package should be more than enough for me as im not a heavy user plus with the rollover i should be fine on the rare occassions i go over the allowance if i ever do. I dont mind paying a premium for a good service.

Is it easy to switch to the 2TB package if i find im consistently over the allowance?
Standard User Andrue
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 28-Oct-20 18:43:11
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In reply to a post by JHo1:
I'm guessing that you used the Billion on ADSL and switched to Plusnet's router when you switched to FTTC. You can't use the Billion (as perhaps you know) as it doesn't have a VDSL modem. You'll either have to pair it with a modem or buy a combined modem/router.

I'm using a 7800N paired with a HG612 modem. I've found that it gives a good, stable connection. I tried a Fritzbox 7530 but had problems with stability and a poorer connection speed.

I'm sure others can advise on a good combined modem/router if that's what you'd prefer.

John
I've said this before and I'll say it again - I'm keeping my HG612 until FTTP is finally available. I have a Draytek 2762 but I'm hoping never to need to use the modem part of it. The HG612 might have been the cheapest kit BT could find but as a modem it does a damn' fine job.

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Edited by Andrue (Wed 28-Oct-20 18:43:40)

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