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Standard User Russ_T
(newbie) Tue 19-Jan-21 01:04:59
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Draytek Vigo 2862 & 950Mb Jurassic Fibre


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Hello all,

I should be able to get FTTP by end of March, hoooray. I'll be going for the biggest package they do, just because I can.

I am currently running a DrayTek Vigor 2862 for my FTTP. This has a gigabit WAN port (WAN2) which I believe I could use with whatever modem Jurassic provide. The trouble is the firewall spec says "Limited to 400Mb/sec".

Is the firewall going to be a bottleneck to my network? I can always sell it and buy something else. I might not really need a DrayTek router at all, or maybe I should get a DrayTek fibre router and attempt to use that instead of the Jurassic device.

That's assuming I can buy something better than what they provide, like you usually can with FTTC. Maybe though it's not the same with FTTP.

Thanks for your help

Russ
Standard User Russ_T
(newbie) Tue 19-Jan-21 01:17:58
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I think according to what I've been reading the answer is most definitely yes. It also seems Draytek won't give me 950Mb any sense, so maybe someone can recommend a brand that is good that offers a decent router without wifi that is suitable please?

Here is the router comparison I found

https://www.draytek.co.uk/products/comparison/router...

and the model that would be suitable

https://www.draytek.co.uk/products/business/vigor-29...

Shows 800Mbs without hardware acceleration, 950Mb with ...
Standard User danielhyde
(member) Tue 19-Jan-21 09:52:13
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In reply to a post by Russ_T:
I think according to what I've been reading the answer is most definitely yes. It also seems Draytek won't give me 950Mb any sense, so maybe someone can recommend a brand that is good that offers a decent router without wifi that is suitable please?

Here is the router comparison I found

https://www.draytek.co.uk/products/comparison/router...

and the model that would be suitable

https://www.draytek.co.uk/products/business/vigor-29...

Shows 800Mbs without hardware acceleration, 950Mb with ...


Hi,

I'd say it does a max of 800Mbps if you use Hardware Acceleration it completely bypasses the firewall.
Which is not ideal, also anytime I've tried enabling it is caused issues if you use more than the switch built in to the router.

Thanks
Dan


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Standard User samaparr
(newbie) Tue 19-Jan-21 11:42:30
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Hey Russ,

Sorry a bit off topic, but how did you find out you will have FTTP in March?
I'm in Taunton and wondered "Is Russ also in Taunton?" went to your previous posts and it looks like back in 2012 you was! Nice!

Did you give JF a call and find out? As i'd love to know when I can also.

I've just been upgrading the house to Wi-Fi 6E in preparation and signed up with Cuckoo internet to avoid being locked into a 12month contract.

Cheers!

Sam
Standard User Russ_T
(newbie) Tue 19-Jan-21 11:42:37
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Thank you Dan.

I have a relatively complex network after the router as well, so probably no use. It'll be modem -> my router (maybe) -> Netduma R2 -> Google Wifi -> wired to my main swtich -> pc

I think I'll see what Jurassic Fibre give me hardware wise and go from there, or just get the 500Mb package. I don't really want to spend £700 or so on a faster router just to get the 950Mb working, as I'm not sure what other bottlenecks I'll have in my network.

Thanks again
Standard User Russ_T
(newbie) Tue 19-Jan-21 11:50:28
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That's ok.

I spoke to the Jurassic Fibre engineers as they were at the bottom of my drive. They were a bit cagey but explained how the rollout was going in general, and that my house was an easy run for fttp, so I rang sales.

Sales said I would be in the ph1 of ph2 rollout for Taunton, which they said should be complete by end of March (or something like "all our connections should be lit up by March, if everything goes to plan") and then I would need my connection put in. They couldn't make any promises and weren't committing to anything though, so it's just my impression of how far away I am.

As I have the pole directly outside my house, and trunking direct to it from the cabinet mine is dead easy. Also I've seen loads of vans around with huge roles of fibre so it's happening atm. There was a van parked beside my cabinet (underground as it happens) for three days last week.

Anyway give sales a call, they try to be helpful, without committing to anything.

I'm going to get the 950Mb package for my free three months, and see how much I can really get out of it with my network / hardware, and go from there as you can change package easy.

Cheers, good luck!

Edited by Russ_T (Tue 19-Jan-21 13:14:09)

Standard User danielhyde
(member) Tue 19-Jan-21 12:07:01
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In reply to a post by Russ_T:
Thank you Dan.

I have a relatively complex network after the router as well, so probably no use. It'll be modem -> my router (maybe) -> Netduma R2 -> Google Wifi -> wired to my main swtich -> pc

I think I'll see what Jurassic Fibre give me hardware wise and go from there, or just get the 500Mb package. I don't really want to spend £700 or so on a faster router just to get the 950Mb working, as I'm not sure what other bottlenecks I'll have in my network.

Thanks again


They will supply an ONT at the least that will have a fibre port for the incoming fibre and an ethernet port for a router.
I would assume it would come with a Wi-Fi router for the home packages, would be pretty silly if it didn't

Thanks
Dan
Standard User samaparr
(newbie) Tue 19-Jan-21 12:10:23
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Thanks for the info! That's great news for you being next to the cab.

I've just been on the phone to JF as you suggested, they we're very helpful and polite.
They have estimated my area to be at least 4-6 months away from now, which isn't too bad at all!

Like you I'll be going for the 950mbps package, I'm a heavy downloader and host my own Server. We have 1000mbps up/down in our office and going home to a 50mbps connection feels ancient now. What we would have done for 50mbps 15 years back lol.

Cheers Russ!
Standard User samaparr
(newbie) Tue 19-Jan-21 12:27:13
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I've just tested a Draytek Vigor 2862 with a gigabit connection. Hopefully this will prove your point of the Draytek being a limitation.

Fast.com
Download: 330Mbps
Upload: 320Mbps
Ping 11ms

Speedtest.net
Download: 330.53Mbps
Upload: 315.93Mbps
Ping: 11ms

Cheers,

Sam
Standard User Russ_T
(newbie) Tue 19-Jan-21 13:16:27
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Thank you Sam.

Anyone want to buy a barely used Draytek 2862? laugh

Sam, what do you use for your gigabit connection please?

Also my friends BT 900mb free router apparently does full speed, why do you have to spend £700 with Draytek to achieve the same? I assume the BT router isn't an expensive item.

Thanks
Standard User samaparr
(newbie) Tue 19-Jan-21 13:31:07
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No problem.

I'm using a Sophos CR100iNG but this isn't going to be realistic in a home setup as it costs nearly five figures new and it's "end of life" is this year.

Have you checked out the new Wi-Fi 6E Routers? Asus have a brilliant one coming out soon. Netgear too. If you don't mind the Chinese stuff, Xiaomi have some extremely cheap yet high performing routers, their latest one supports 6E and Mesh Wi-Fi.

The issue with the Draytek's is the CPU isn't the strongest.
You're mostly paying for the software (in my opinion).

As for the BT Router, BT own this. Your friend will have to send it back at the end of his contract.

Cheers,

Sam
Standard User Russ_T
(newbie) Tue 19-Jan-21 13:45:57
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Fair point Sam, thank you again.

I have five Google Wifi points which seem to work well in my house, so don't really want to change them now. I'm aiming for a router without wifi kit really. I am concerned the Google wifi master node will be the bottleneck (at the moment it "runs" my network e.g. dhcp and such), so I might need to change that.

I would buy the latest gen Netgear / Asus, but it feels like I'm spending money on wifi I'll turn off. Maybe I just have to do that.

All my important stuff is cat5/6e to a main switch next to my master socket. I don't use VPNs or anything clever really, just want a decent firewall I suppose and normal router stuff. I want the best ping I can, so my machine to main switch -> Netduma R2 -> router -> modem probably makes sense.

Maybe the Jurassic kit will do for me, and I should just stop trying to be clever.

Thanks again, I'll have a look at that Sophos just out of curiosity.
Standard User samaparr
(newbie) Tue 19-Jan-21 13:53:58
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To test the Google Wi-Fi you could always copy a large single file from one PC to another.
This is the method I used to test my Wi-Fi to ensure it'll manage the new JF connection.
With 160mhz Wi-Fi 5 or 6, you will see at least 500Mbps.

I get what you're saying about the Router and switching off the Wi-Fi. I'm sure you could find something for less than £100 that does the job. I'll have a think and see what I have laying around, if I come up with anything I'll let you know.

It would be a good start knowing what JF supply with their connection. If they supply a Modem/Firewall then that's all you need. If it doesn't include a DHCP Server, your Google Wi-Fi may be able to do this instead or you could just set up a simple DHCP Server using a Raspberry Pie (just thinking off the top of my head).

Nice that you have everything wired, that's something I was regretting not doing when renovating the house. However, Wi-Fi 6E may save the headache.

Cheers,

Sam
Standard User Russ_T
(newbie) Tue 19-Jan-21 14:01:19
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Yeah, I might ring them to ask what hardware they provide, save the guessing.

I have probably 15 devices here that want to do DHCP lol, I usually have to turn them off. I think whatever router I buy will do it. The Google wifi has an ok phone app, which I hated at first, but it's a quick way to assign an IP when you want to though.

In case anyone else reads this thread, there's the

Netgear AXE11000 https://www.netgear.com/home/wifi/routers/raxe500
Asus RoG GT-AXE11000 https://rog.asus.com/networking/rog-rapture-gt-axe11...

Both seem to pass gigabit ethernet. I can do DumaOS on some Netgears so could sell my Netduma R2 as well.

Cheers
Standard User samaparr
(newbie) Tue 19-Jan-21 14:53:13
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Great, let us know what they say smile

DHCP won't be an issue then haha.

This is the first time I've ran into DumaOS, cool stuff!
I'll look more into it later tonight when I'm sat on the sofa.

Cheers,

Sam
Standard User Russ_T
(newbie) Tue 19-Jan-21 16:50:58
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They are soooo good!

It's a Nokia G-240W-J modem/router. It has to stay in the chain for them to monitor network health. However, if I want to use my own router for dns and whatever let them know and they'll put theirs into bridged mode! They don't do static IPs for residential packages.

So looks like I can run with their kit and then probably my Netduma R2 will do everything I need for network control.

But now I don't know it'll manage 950Mb throughput!!! Now I have to find it's spec.
Standard User copex
(committed) Tue 19-Jan-21 21:13:31
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draytec 3910 will handle a gig connecting but you wont like the price i would recommend a
Microtik ac3 - step learning curve excellent value for money

Edited by copex (Tue 19-Jan-21 21:14:54)

Standard User Russ_T
(newbie) Wed 20-Jan-21 14:25:18
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Hiya, I'll check those out, thank you. Yeah £700 ish felt a bit steep, but I figure i'll be FTTP, and WFH for a very long time so possibly worth the investment.

This thread is Netduma staff claiming they won't be a bottle neck, but cannot give me any real stats. We will see! smile

https://forum.netduma.com/topic/34478-r2-throughput-...

Cheers
Standard User clivers
(regular) Thu 21-Jan-21 21:53:25
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In reply to a post by copex:
draytec 3910 will handle a gig connecting but you wont like the price i would recommend a
Microtik ac3 - step learning curve excellent value for money

Just announced and cheaper 2962 https://www.draytek.co.uk/products/business/vigor-29...
Standard User Russ_T
(newbie) Fri 22-Jan-21 11:21:56
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Great find, thank you! I would have missed that.

I will see how the Netduma does alone first, and maybe I'll switch to this.

Cheers!.
Standard User samaparr
(newbie) Tue 26-Jan-21 13:27:19
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Hi again!

Just come back to say, Jurassic Fibre are directly outside my house digging up the ground.
What are the chances?! Hopefully it means gigabit sooner rather than later!

Cheers,

Sam
Standard User Russ_T
(newbie) Tue 26-Jan-21 13:36:18
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Awesome! Congrats, roughly what part of town is that? I'm headed to St. James church now, I'll see if I can spot them anywhere else.
Standard User samaparr
(newbie) Tue 26-Jan-21 13:38:19
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Farm View in Priorswood. I'll see if I can catch one of the engineers when I pop out in a bit, see what the plan is!
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