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Standard User joconnell
(experienced) Sun 02-May-21 22:23:20
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Draytek Vigor 130 SNR stats


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I've recently replaced my ageing BTOR fibre modem with a Draytek Vigor 130 and it appears to be working okay but it's reporting upstream and downstream SNR of 6dB that goes down to 4dB then to 5dB then back to 6.

From what I've read, anything below 7dB means that I shouldn't be getting any broadband service yet I am.

Is the Vigor 130 wrong?
Standard User joconnell
(experienced) Sun 02-May-21 23:08:30
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Re: Draytek Vigor 130 SNR stats


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In reply to a post by joconnell:
I've recently replaced my ageing BTOR fibre modem with a Draytek Vigor 130 and it appears to be working okay but it's reporting upstream and downstream SNR of 6dB that goes down to 4dB then to 5dB then back to 6.

From what I've read, anything below 7dB means that I shouldn't be getting any broadband service yet I am.

Is the Vigor 130 wrong?

Ah, I've just read this
Standard User jamesmacwhite
(learned) Mon 03-May-21 06:46:11
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Re: Draytek Vigor 130 SNR stats


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With the Vigor 130 you can also tweak the SNR value to get a potentially faster sync. I found this helped increase my sync:

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/forums/threads/drayte...

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> vdsl status
   ---------------------- ATU-R Info (hw: annex A, f/w: annex A/B/C) -----------
   Running Mode            :      17A       State                : SHOWTIME   DS Actual Rate          : 68416000 bps   US Actual Rate       : 20000000 bps
   DS Attainable Rate      : 81427400 bps   US Attainable Rate   : 24229471 bps   DS Path Mode            :  Interleave    US Path Mode         :        Fast 
   DS Interleave Depth     :      997       US Interleave Depth  :        1    NE Current Attenuation  :       12 dB    Cur SNR Margin       :        2  dB
   DS actual PSD           :     0.-5 dB    US actual PSD        :     0.-4  dB   NE CRC Count            :       42       FE CRC Count         :     5526
   NE ES Count             :       10       FE  ES Count         :     4560   Xdsl Reset Times        :        0       Xdsl Link  Times     :        1
   ITU Version[0]          : fe004452       ITU Version[1]       : 41590000   VDSL Firmware Version   : 05-07-06-0D-01-07   [with Vectoring support] 
   Power Management Mode   : DSL_G997_PMS_L0    Test Mode               : DISABLE 
  -------------------------------- ATU-C Info ---------------------------------   Far Current Attenuation :       10 dB    Far SNR Margin       :        7  dB
   CO ITU Version[0]       : b5004946       CO ITU Version[1]    : 544eb206   DSLAM CHIPSET VENDOR    : < IFTN >


I am however connected to an ECI cabinet. I found with stock I couldn't get past 64 mbps, with the SNR tweak I got the full 80 mbps near enough, but then as time went out got banded back down to 73 mbps and since it dropped back to around 68 mbps, probably due to the higher error count. Still slightly more than the original sync from stock though, I haven't noticed any major issues, although it is a backup line for failover not always in use.


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Standard User Realalemadrid
(committed) Mon 03-May-21 08:55:57
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Just ignore the rubbish it the article you linked it is totally wrong. I have seen it quoted before as the absolute gospel truth in another forum but it is just nonsense.
FTTC lines can run at 3db or less quite happily. I have 80/20 sync speeds and 1.8dB noise margin downstream. This has been running for over 33 days with no downstream errors and will continue to do so until the next power cut.smile

As for the Draytek I would always go for a Broadcom chipset modem as they are generally better on most lines and give more understandable stats. I will leave you to figure out which are the upstream and downstream, or is it near end and far end data, it is confusing and I think even Draytek are confused because I have heard that some figures are wrongly identified. frown
Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 03-May-21 11:33:29
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In reply to a post by joconnell:
From what I've read, anything below 7dB means that I shouldn't be getting any broadband service yet I am.
Not all VDSL/VDSL2 systems are the same, so if your information is not from the UK about specifically the Openreach deployment it is likely wrong.

Openreach systems can go down to a target SNR margin of 3db, and you can see numbers lower if the noise increases and reduces the margin at the time you inspect the statistics. As long as you have some margin and the modem at your end, and the DSLAM at the cabinet stay in sync, you will stay connected. If you get disconnected, DLM (dynamic line management) will intervene and change the target SNR margin.

21 years of broadband connectivity since 1999 trial - Live BQM
Standard User ft247
(member) Mon 03-May-21 12:21:58
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In reply to a post by jamesmacwhite:
With the Vigor 130 you can also tweak the SNR value to get a potentially faster sync. I found this helped increase my sync:
...

I found with stock I couldn't get past 64 mbps, with the SNR tweak I got the full 80 mbps near enough, but then as time went out got banded back down to 73 mbps and since it dropped back to around 68 mbps, probably due to the higher error count.


Every line really is different, if you play the SNR tweaking game you are at increased risk of DLM intervention. If the noise floor is *perfectly* flat and correctly measured then you can in theory run on 1dB margin. The reality is that the amplitude of the noise will vary and some lines have problems even with a 6dB margin because there are noise spikes more than 6dB above the floor, whereas others can be perfectly stable at 2dB. Luck of the draw...
Standard User Grimers
(member) Mon 03-May-21 12:26:44
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Not all lines can, especially long lines, but yes I have found some can run quite happily on very low noise margins...
Standard User Grimers
(member) Mon 03-May-21 12:28:21
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If you get disconnected, DLM (dynamic line management) will intervene and change the target SNR margin.

Not always, it can take several resyncs in a 24 hour period (sometimes longer) for DLM to change the target. wink
Standard User choppersrock
(regular) Mon 03-May-21 19:58:32
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I am running my v130 on an eci line at 5db (offset -5). Has lifted my sync back to where I was when I had a zyxel om my line which just seemed to lose DS sync over time. 5db for around 30 days with no intervention from dlm.

Using munin to gather stats from the v130. Works a treat.

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Standard User joconnell
(experienced) Mon 03-May-21 20:55:00
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In reply to a post by choppersrock:
I am running my v130 on an eci line at 5db (offset -5). Has lifted my sync back to where I was when I had a zyxel om my line which just seemed to lose DS sync over time. 5db for around 30 days with no intervention from dlm.

Using munin to gather stats from the v130. Works a treat.

How are you running Munin?
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