sam knows says yes bt wholesale says no

hi all just wandering if anyone knows which is correct, i check everyday for availability of fttc, today i checked on sam knows and it has now changed to available, i then did a check on bt wholesale checker which still says 31st march, which is correct any help would be appreciated.

Samknows is general information where is BT wholesale is referring to your local cabinet.

ok m8 cheers, was getting my hopes up there.

hmm im confused now, in the general broadband chatter section, someone on my exchange says they already have fttc, sam knows says its available but infinity website and bt wholesale checker say no, i know which cabinet im connected to and have seen a power company at the cabinet installing cables before christmas, so if the exchange is enabled why the delay on the cabinet.

Edited by deleted (Sun 16-Jan-11 12:17:47)

Ah, the ways of BT... and proof that what SamKnows isn't detailed enough for fibre installations.

My exchange is live, and there is at least one subscriber now on FTTC using it.

Many of the surrounding cabinets have been installed (they're generally a 2nd cabinet - and oddly, across the road from their PCP!), and had power installed back last september/October.

All the surrounding cabinets are live, according to BT's checker (and use of a few local phone numbers), including the closest cabinet to me (which doesn't supply us). Yet my cabinet isn't live - and still has a 30th March placeholder date.

BT are still gradually installing cabinets further from the exchange, and they're gradually getting power added to them. That explains delays to those areas, but ours? It means either a fault in the cabinet they're waiting to fix, or a deliberate choice to not provision this area just yet (the cabinet covers half of the local shopping/business area - not sure if that's a reason).

There was so much progress in December that I really got my hopes up, but nothing has happened for the last month. I guess it must be a patience-education trial.

In reply to a post by WWWombat:

There was so much progress in December that I really got my hopes up, but nothing has happened for the last month. I guess it must be a patience-education trial.

The same in Leamington - so much work going on in December, and then the date reset to March 2011.. But I am still hopeful as Warwick and Kenilworth are now live..

same here but i have notice BT still doing the ODD Cabinets here and there i reckon feb will be the go live

hmm well i have just been on the infinity website and it states my exchange is enabled in the list of exchanges enabled, if i do a number search at samknows it says its ready, if i do a search at btinfinity it says its not due to be rolled out, will this be because my estimation is only 14.4 mb so under the 15 limit that bt use.

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hmm well i have just been on the infinity website

Do you mean the BT Wholesale website? Infinity is purely a BT Broadband product.

... and it states my exchange is enabled in the list of exchanges enabled, if i do a number search at samknows it says its ready, if i do a search at btinfinity it says its not due to be rolled out, will this be because my estimation is only 14.4 mb so under the 15 limit that bt use.

By "that BT use" I assume you mean that BT Broadband use for Infinity. In which case the answer will be Yes.

I expect any of the other BT FTTC suppliers will take your order, or perhaps you could still get in the Plusnet FTTC trial. That had good terms I think.

Edited by RobertoS (Tue 18-Jan-11 09:52:08)

so have bt not dropped there minimum speed of 15mb, to 12 like mentioned in some posts on here.

Openreach have said they will now connect at estimates of 5Mbps, but I'm not aware of any ISP offering it, or even if BT Wholesale do.

12Mbps doesn't ring any bells with me. I think 11Mbps is the minimum estimate for OR to accept a 15Mbps order, but if the actual sync during the install is below 15Mbps the order is cancelled.

Samknows is third party, so I'd listen to wholesale.

Infinity is purely a BT Broadband product.

Its actually Openreach, sold by retail.

In reply to a post by krazykizza:

Infinity is purely a BT Broadband product.

Its actually Openreach, sold by retail.

Wrong.

LOL

In reply to a post by krazykizza:

LOL

Just in case you thought I was accepting I was wrong, I wasn't. You are wrong.

Infinity is THIS

FTTC by Openreach
GEA to exchange - Openreach
WBC by BT Wholesale (which is what all FTTC sellers use at present - TalkTalk not included)
Links to BT Retail controlled section, and then out to the Internet via products that Retail by from BT Wholesale.

This final link is what makes Infinity, Infinity i.e. its presentation to the world is different to the other providers.

In old IPStream talk, BT Total was the only one (to make widespread use) to use BT Central Plus Access and Internet components from BT Wholesale.

The FTTC product from Openreach provides NO direct link to the internet, it effectively ends to be Openreach at the GEA handover point (important note, GEA handover point may NOT be at the exchange the telephone number and existing ADSL service terminates at)

Can you expand on

Links to BT Retail controlled section, and then out to the Internet via products that Retail by from BT Wholesale.

This final link is what makes Infinity, Infinity i.e. its presentation to the world is different to the other providers

please Andrew?

The apparent typo in the first line doesn't help, as I can't work out what is wrong, but are you saying Infinity isn't the standard BTW WBC that others are using, and if so is that just because of the option the others have taken, like Central v Central Plus?

BT Retail are using a variant of WBC exact name escapes me, like cental versus central plus

BT Retail has no real internet connectivity of itself, so even if replicating what say Entanet do, and take handovers from a node, BT Retail once its gone through their management kit would be buying another connection off of BT Wholesale that hooks them to the Internet.

This injection point where the DPI kit sits, is how they can offer the usage allowance they do.

Not even going to comment.

Thanks.

If I get that correctly they are not, (may not be?) sending back to users via the nodes then? Just incoming from users.

I think MrSaffron has explained sufficiently since.

OR provide FTTC. The BT Broadband Infinity product is simply what BT Broadband call their FTTC product. Hence the BT adverts "only from BT", as any ISP can supply BT FTTC.

Why don't you stop trying to be clever with enigmatic "lol"s and "no comment"s and accept you made a simple mistake? That's the adult way.

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the BT adverts "only from BT", as any ISP can supply BT FTTC.

It'd be a first seeing an Openreach advert.

MrSaffron explained it the way I was thinking

The BT adverts do state BT Infinity only from BT, which is strictly true.

What is not true is that FTTC is only available from BT Retail. FTTC is available from other retail providers, and there are versions of FTTC around the UK that are not BT Group products (i.e. are SLLU)

The advert is relying on a play of words, to make people think it is only them, I suspect once TalkTalk start marketing the phrase will be quietly dropped.

Infinity is not an Openreach product! Fact! Period.

Infinity is a BT (Retail) Broadband product, as stated by MrSaffron.

Openreach have an FTTC technology, with GEA access for wholesalers and ISPs. The product built on that that is sold by BT Retail is named by BT Retail "Infinity".

Infinity includes a BT Home Hub. Do Openreach source and provide those?
Infinity includes:-

24/7 Freephone help from UK landlines

We give you 24/7 technical help online or over the phone whenever you need it

BT Digital Vault online storage

Protect all your valuable photos, files and more in your own personal 5Gb Digital Vault

Advanced security from McAfee

NetProtect Plus security from McAfee includes a range of advanced features to keep you and your family safe from viruses, hackers, spyware and identity theft. Plus use parental controls to set up safe boundaries online for the kids

Unlimited Wi-Fi minutes included

Get online when you are out and about with unlimited Wi-fi minutes. Access the internet at over a million Wi-fi hotspots

That would be one amazing offering from Openreach.

Just accept that Infinity is not an Openreach product and stop being silly.

I'm not saying that though, you said

Infinity is purely a BT Broadband product.

'Purely' being the key word. Stop trying to twist my words.

In reply to a post by krazykizza:

I'm not saying that though, you said

Infinity is purely a BT Broadband product.

'Purely' being the key word. Stop trying to twist my words.

You mean these?

In reply to a post by krazykizza:

Infinity is purely a BT Broadband product.

Its actually Openreach, sold by retail.

Methinks 'tis thou doing the word twisting.

The corollary of that twist would be to say that Heinz Baked beans are not purely a Heinz product because the contents are in a can made from metal produced by another company.

Go have a tea break the two of you, or will send you off on a protracted one

BT checker updated today and we have a new go live date of 26 January!!