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Standard User ccxo
(learned) Sun 23-Jan-11 21:44:17
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Re: Demand-led Rollout of FTTC


[re: Bob_s2] [link to this post]
 
You're problem is number of users, if there product does what they need why will they pay more out for a faster service that will cost more. At a time when people are saving money and looking to pay out less.

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Standard User Cobra001
(member) Sun 23-Jan-11 23:08:40
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Re: Demand-led Rollout of FTTC


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150 would on be charges just before openreach was going to enable the area and as soon as the user took an fttc service the money would be returned

this is how it would work

open Reach decided exchange need 10k lines to make it worthwhile

target for that exchange is 11k,

people who want FTTC sign up free of charge, once 11k people have sthey want it an email/text is sent asking them to pay the 150£ deposit. Once 10k people pay the deposit the exchange is enabled quickly and people have a chance to sign up to FTTC Once they take out an FTTC service the 150£ is refunded after 45days.

This would only be for area which are not getting FTTC and Open reach think that there might not be enough interest.

The fee is high to stop time waster
i.e.

Edited by Cobra001 (Sun 23-Jan-11 23:09:56)

Standard User Chrysalis
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 24-Jan-11 10:41:28
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Re: Demand-led Rollout of FTTC


[re: Bob_s2] [link to this post]
 
true hardly anyone would sign up, but at least those that do are putting money where their mouth is and is a more reliable method than having % based demand checkers based on outdated housing maps.


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Standard User Bob_s2
(learned) Mon 24-Jan-11 18:46:39
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Re: Demand-led Rollout of FTTC


[re: Chrysalis] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by Chrysalis:
true hardly anyone would sign up, but at least those that do are putting money where their mouth is and is a more reliable method than having % based demand checkers based on outdated housing maps.


With FTTC though you are not really looking at the exhange but the take up on the Street Cabinet. BT may want to cluster them ie include all the cabinets along the fibre route

This system would speed up the rollout as it would be foccussed on where demand is highest which gives BT a quicker ROI. Clearly this could only work for about 90% of the UK. There would be the 10% odd where it will never be commercialy viable. Well at least without paying a very high price premium
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Mon 24-Jan-11 18:55:57
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Re: Demand-led Rollout of FTTC


[re: Bob_s2] [link to this post]
 
How have you arrived at the 90% will be viable figure?

No one (including consultants paid a lot of money) have come out with a scheme that gives that figure as viable.

Currently BT is enabling as about as fast as it can go, to go faster means employing more contractors or staff for just the length of the roll-out.

Andrew Ferguson, [email protected]
www.thinkbroadband.com - formerly known as ADSLguide.org.uk
The author of the above post is a thinkbroadband staff member. It may not constitute an official statement on behalf of thinkbroadband.
Standard User WWWombat
(learned) Tue 25-Jan-11 01:25:59
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Re: Demand-led Rollout of FTTC


[re: Bob_s2] [link to this post]
 
OpenReach have a briefing note about trialling demand-driven exchange enablement, dated 23rd Dec 2010.

They want to test whether it is viable to add such a dynamic component to their existing plans for rollout.

See briefing note

Just asking for an exchange will cost the ISP £500 per exchange.

If the exchange is already within BT's 66% coverage plan (so will already be market 1), then the ISP must commit to having 10% of the exchange coverage taken up within 1 year.

If it is not already in the 66% coverage, then it will cost the ISP an "enablement charge". There is a fee of £5000 just to get a quotation to find out what the enablement charge will be!

This will allow up to 6 exchanges each for an ISP, and a total of 24 exchanges.

So... that's how BT Retail have gotten 6 exchanges into the rollout plan...
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Tue 25-Jan-11 09:43:44
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Re: Demand-led Rollout of FTTC


[re: WWWombat] [link to this post]
 
The Race to Infinity was actually part of an earlier trial

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/i/4367.html

Andrew Ferguson, [email protected]
www.thinkbroadband.com - formerly known as ADSLguide.org.uk
The author of the above post is a thinkbroadband staff member. It may not constitute an official statement on behalf of thinkbroadband.
Standard User Chrysalis
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 25-Jan-11 13:16:11
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Re: Demand-led Rollout of FTTC


[re: WWWombat] [link to this post]
 
it cost them more for market 2 and 3 than market 1?
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Tue 25-Jan-11 13:21:40
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Re: Demand-led Rollout of FTTC


[re: Chrysalis] [link to this post]
 
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/i/4353.html

Ofcom market definitions to avoid doubt

Andrew Ferguson, [email protected]
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Standard User WWWombat
(learned) Tue 25-Jan-11 17:14:33
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Re: Demand-led Rollout of FTTC


[re: Chrysalis] [link to this post]
 
Sorry - meant Market 3.

The latest proposals for what to do with the price-controls within market 1 said that market 3 was about 80% of UK premises.

I reckon you can pretty much assume that the 66% rollout plan that BT has in mind is pretty much *only* amongst the market 3 exchanges.
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