any rundown areas in uk listed for BT FTTC?

curious.

also any council estates listed?

I don't know the answer to the question.

But if you had to choose places to deliver a premium priced product to and hope to return a profit... where would you deliver to?

Quite a few in my town alone covered.

Exchange link in signature.

Plenty of council estates & flats etc have Sky TV full package. Whereas plenty of larger 5 / 6 bedroom houses have freeview.

Don't judge a book by its cover!

so bt think that the richest area's are going to be the most lucrative for them,lol not true, most of the rich people are rich because they don't spent it, bt should be putting fiber in where it is most needed first, my area 2 smaller exchanges are going to be enabled where as the main exchange isn't bypassed by them, because the two exchanges serv affluent area's, & hardly any businesses no logic what so ever

Not sure it's relevant at exchange level, but at the cab. . . I'm probably in a less-affluent part of an affluent area, remote from the suburban exchange and the estate loop is decrepid, with few businesses; and the cab is apparently being enabled - but could that be anything to do with Openreach engineers living in the locality??? I'd be surprised if it isn't.

I knew this thread would be yours as soon as I saw the name

Thamesmead and Woolwich are both 'orrible and both enabled early on.

As I'm sure you're aware FTTC is deployed by exchange not by 'estate'. Can't think of many exchanges that only serve council estates.

Close to me is "an area of social deprivation" and that already have FTTC. It is predominantly from the cabinets on the edge of the estate which also serve some expensive houses (£1M +). There is also a reasonable level of take up - Broadband is more important than food and shoes for the kids!

In reply to a post by GeeTee:

I don't know the answer to the question.

But if you had to choose places to deliver a premium priced product to and hope to return a profit... where would you deliver to?

its not premium priced tho, infinity barely costs more than 10mbit VM. To answer your question I would likely target poorer areas as they have a higher dependancy on the net and are more likely to be heavier users. It would also depend on how I am pricing it tho, but going by infintiy's price its certianly not a pricepoint out of range.

Looking at the replies here tho it does seem BT have done some poorer areas at least maybe so they dont look too obvious or could be in areas where lots of exchanges are covered?

I am particurly curious if not well off areas are picked in areas that have low fttc coverage. (less than 10 exchanges in county).

Edited by Chrysalis (Fri 08-Apr-11 11:44:52)

I bought the cheapest house on the market when I got where I am now - and my cabinet is allegedly now enabled.

No council estate though as it's out in the sticks, and people don't want free accommodation out of the cities.

With cheap broadband, one can get better online prices for either, and many more necessities (utility bills, phone contracts, insurance).

In reply to a post by MHC:

.... Broadband is more important than food and shoes for the kids!

That's what most kids think!

I was being serious though - as a Governor at the local school, I see unfed children arriving in the morning wearing totally worn out shoes whilst their parents have Sky, iPhones, &c

Corby!

For Rundown areas try Blackwood in Wales, you can get worse but not by much.Some of the other already covered excahnge in the Valleys are not much better.
Llanrumney covers a massive council estate, as does the already enabled Llanedeyrn.
Birchwood and Sudbrooke park also have council estates, but also a large area of private housing.

Since when was a large council estate a sign of a deprived area?

In reply to a post by krazykizza:

Since when was a large council estate a sign of a deprived area?

Precisely. I would never be conceited enough to claim to be hard up. But running my own business, owning my own home and being the father of three seriously mental (but gorgeous!) young daughters leaves me without a pot to [censored] in!

Plenty of people work hard, save money and are never in a position to own their own homes. I don't call that poor. In fact I sometimes think some of them are the sensible ones. Not buying into the dream can seriously help with your level of disposable income! Personally I think we need more affordable housing (that isn't flats!) but that's another discussion altogether!

In reply to a post by krazykizza:

Since when was a large council estate a sign of a deprived area?

4 large council estates in leicester and its a very run down city (in my view), I agree with your point tho it doesnt mean an area is rundown on its own. Leics has the most empty shops in its city centre as a % of total buildings in the uk, it has lots of old empty factories from the 70s which have never managed to get new tenants, it has a high dependancy on the public sector for employment, it has high unemployment, it has lower average pay than many areas much further north, 6 year waiting list for council housing. On health care compared to norfolk (where my parents live) its night and day the difference. Thats how I decided its rundown

Fair point on the pricing. Although you go on to shoot your logic in the foot by bringing heavy usage into the equation. Heavy users are more expensive for the ISP to serve (depending on packaging of course), so from a commercial perspective you would expect them to serve high density heavy user areas last if at all.

Targetting areas is somewhat of a black art - going for the low usage, high disposable income areas means hitting the silver surfers - who probably won't change SP no matter how much junk mail you pile through their doors. As long as what they currently have works OK, they'll take great delight in just putting the flyers in the recycling before making a coffee and finding all kinds of ways to complain about the amout of junk mail.

I know - horrific stereotyping there.

Targetting poorer areas brings with it the risk of non-payment and associated recovery costs.

I'm glad I don't have to plan these things! Just the commercial aspects give me a headache - throw in the logistical variables of installing the iron, cabinet kit, backhaul and bras changes it has to be a complete nightmare to plan and deliver - particularly when working in such a huge organisation as Openreach.

Plenty in east London, for example Thamesmead in Greenwich, Albert Dock, Upton Park and Stratford in Newham, Tottenham in Haringey, Poplar and Mile End in Tower Hamlets, Barking. All would feature towards the top of a list of the UK's deprived areas.

In reply to a post by GeeTee:

Fair point on the pricing. Although you go on to shoot your logic in the foot by bringing heavy usage into the equation. Heavy users are more expensive for the ISP to serve (depending on packaging of course), so from a commercial perspective you would expect them to serve high density heavy user areas last if at all.

Targetting areas is somewhat of a black art - going for the low usage, high disposable income areas means hitting the silver surfers - who probably won't change SP no matter how much junk mail you pile through their doors. As long as what they currently have works OK, they'll take great delight in just putting the flyers in the recycling before making a coffee and finding all kinds of ways to complain about the amout of junk mail.

I know - horrific stereotyping there.

Targetting poorer areas brings with it the risk of non-payment and associated recovery costs.

I'm glad I don't have to plan these things! Just the commercial aspects give me a headache - throw in the logistical variables of installing the iron, cabinet kit, backhaul and bras changes it has to be a complete nightmare to plan and deliver - particularly when working in such a huge organisation as Openreach.

my logic for heavy user's is they will be eager to get FTTC. Someone who just does online banking and the odd email here or there will be happy with whatever is cheapest, which wont be FTTC.