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Standard User SimonCandest
(knowledge is power) Sat 09-Jul-11 16:11:20
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FTTC Cabinet Question


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Are all the FTTC cabinets quite large or are there likely to be smaller ones to cover a smaller area. The reason I ask is there has been a new(ish) cabinet at the end of our road (about 100m) from the house for a while. I noticed an Openreach van at it the other day and when the guy opened the door to it there appeared to be nothing inside it, or at least very little.

Looking at the cabinet about 50m further down the road when it was being worked in it looked stuffed with cables etc (as one would expect!). I just ask because I recently saw somewhere yet another revised date for Dunblane to be FTTC as 4th quarter 2011?? Mind you, that's about the 4th date I have seen so far.

Are there any obvious markings to look for?

[edit] I should add, I have been hunting for pictures, but few if any have any way to judge the scale of the box....

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Standard User adebov
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 09-Jul-11 16:32:54
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How about this page (on TBB main site).
As there's a guy kneeling in front of the cabinet, that should give you an idea of scale.
There's also a smaller cabinet (with a single door) about 1/2 to 2/3rds the size.
You can see the old regular cab to the right.

And this is what they look like closed.

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Standard User Ribble
(member) Sat 09-Jul-11 16:33:09
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The large ones are about 5 feet tall and have double doors with a central lock. The smaller cabinets are about 4 feet high and about half the width with a single door and a lock on the edge. They are commonly used in rural locations (popping up a lot in west Cornwall) and less densely populated locations.
This is one of the small FTTC cabinets (128 line capacity)

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Standard User Ribble
(member) Sat 09-Jul-11 16:35:53
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The Rutland cabinet you linked to is much smaller to the large Openreach cabinets, and a different design to either the small or large Openreach cabinets
Standard User WWWombat
(committed) Sat 09-Jul-11 16:36:23
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Here's a thread on Saddleworth. The first post links to a set of photos that have both of the usual sizes of FTTC cabinets, while some shots have the existing PCP cabs too.

BT have shown, in diagrams, a variant where the fibre is a "top-box", but I don't think one has been spotted in the wild yet.
Standard User adebov
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 09-Jul-11 16:37:26
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In reply to a post by Ribble:
They are commonly used in rural locations (popping up a lot in west Cornwall) and less densely populated locations.

Or, possibly, in a town where there are lots of cabinets (each feeding a lesser number of properties than larger ones)?
Quite a few here (Banbury) are smaller cabinets, even though the exchange serves around 21,000 lines. I guess it's due to the way the town has expanded over the years (forcing BT to put in more cabinets than they normally would).

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Standard User adebov
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 09-Jul-11 16:53:51
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Indeed, possibly this one gives a better idea of scale as it's right next to a standard larger BT cab.

Or this one.

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Standard User SimonCandest
(knowledge is power) Sat 09-Jul-11 16:58:32
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Nope, it's smaller than that, it's only got a single door. What puzzles me is that there is an existing cabinet ~50m (possibly less as I have never bothered to measure it), and afaik there are no plans for new housing up this way (nowhere to build!). Can't see the point of another cabinet so close to the old one??

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Standard User SimonCandest
(knowledge is power) Sat 09-Jul-11 17:01:37
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Ah, that looks a bit like it. I will try and get a photo of it.

[edit] Looking at that pic again, I realised even that is too big. I wonder if BT are just planning to replace the old cabinet with a new one, cause I have not seen one quite this small. Like I said, I will try and get a photo of it.

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Edited by SimonCandest (Sat 09-Jul-11 17:04:36)

Standard User SimonCandest
(knowledge is power) Sat 09-Jul-11 17:19:04
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if anyone is interested, I found it on google maps. Now, how to get a link to the position?

Aha. A Link

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Standard User adebov
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 09-Jul-11 19:31:53
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The fact it's made it onto Google Street View hints that it's been there a while.
Any idea when the Google wagon mapped Dunblane?
I notice there's a construction site just down the road (opposite Chapel Court).
Doing a bit of Googling shows Stewart Milne Homes still have homes for sale in this development, so I'd say the Google Street View images can't be much more than a year old.
Even so, it seems the cabinet has been there far too much in advance of the FTTC rollout in Dunblane.

I wonder, especially as you say there's very little inside, if it's just a regular cabinet which BT have fitted (maybe in preparation for FTTC).
It's got no vent holes in the front, just what looks like a couple of tiny ones on the right side.
Really does look like a standard cabinet (which may explain why there wasn't much in it - equipment wise, anyway).

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Standard User Going_Digital
(knowledge is power) Sat 09-Jul-11 21:05:33
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In a street neer us they installed one of those small cabinets due to a failure in the cable. They clearly shortened the cable exchange side so the new box is about 20m up the road from the old one, then they replaced the cable from that box to one about 500m down the road where there is a big cabinet with the FTTC gear in it. So it would seem in this case the new small cabinet is nothing more than a new place to join the main cable.

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Standard User SimonCandest
(knowledge is power) Sun 10-Jul-11 00:29:49
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I would tend to agree. It has been there for a while. I'm not sure if this is significant but the box has now got "PCP 6" written on it, just since the OR van was there. I have seen this mentioned with regard to FTTC but have not really been following it.

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Standard User Ribble
(member) Sun 10-Jul-11 00:39:03
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PCP 6 indictaes its a copper cabinet. The fibre cabinets are not numbered
Standard User SimonCandest
(knowledge is power) Sun 10-Jul-11 00:41:40
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Fair enough. Ta

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Standard User SimonCandest
(knowledge is power) Mon 11-Jul-11 09:40:17
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Just as a side note, I see from samknows that the Dunblane (ESDUN) exchange apparently has FTTC available "in some areas". Hmm, now, to find out if it's in my area smile

[edit] stuck my number into samknows and it says I can get BT FTTC!! Do I believe it or not??

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Standard User adebov
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 11-Jul-11 10:01:38
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In reply to a post by SimonCandest:
Just as a side note, I see from samknows that the Dunblane (ESDUN) exchange apparently has FTTC available "in some areas". Hmm, now, to find out if it's in my area smile

I wouldn't pay too much attention to Samknows. It says the same for our exchange but to the best of my knowledge there's not a single cabinet which has been enabled frown

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Standard User SimonCandest
(knowledge is power) Mon 11-Jul-11 10:30:37
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Tsk. i was getting all exited wink Just did a BT check and it says December 2011 frown Still, not too far off now... smile

That being said, unless it is about the same cost as I am on just now then I won't be switching....

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Standard User adebov
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 11-Jul-11 11:42:06
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If you're still with Talk-Talk I think their FTTC offering is branding as "Fibre Obtic Boost" and costs £10 on top of your current package.
BT's is £28 plus line rental for "unlimited" (well; unlimited until you hit the limit - so limited then) but is on an 18 month contract (24 months if you also take BT vision).

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Standard User kitcat
(newbie) Mon 11-Jul-11 17:09:24
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Found something interesting on another thread
The smaller cabinets appear to be made by a different suppier. see http://www.planning4bradford.com/online-applications...
This is an ECI 128 port cab rather than the standard large Huawei 288 port cabinet, Looks slimmer as well. So two different suppliers, may also mean two different routers?
Standard User Ribble
(member) Mon 11-Jul-11 19:29:08
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Both Huawei and ECI have 288 line and 128 line cabinets.
Some areas will be Huawei and some will be ECI, but I doubt they will be mixed.
I believe there will be an ECI modem for ECI areas which looks very similar to the Huawei modem with a few technical differences.
Routers are supplied by the ISP or end user.

Edited by Ribble (Mon 11-Jul-11 19:31:52)

Standard User epyon
(regular) Tue 12-Jul-11 01:15:20
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BT its truly unlimited no fup now but still throttled in the usual areas like p2p/vpn ect
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