Confusion over BT's information

Edited by chrisadsl (Sat 16-Jul-11 18:45:23)

SSCMN,CHELTENHAM,GL510EG,{SSCMN}{p122},0,100,51.02,6b,Yes,FTTP

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

OK, so just sit tight. The appearance of the street furniture is a good omen, but it's no guarantee of time scales. My DSLAM cab sat idle for a fair while before it was RFS.

In reply to a post by burakkucat:

SSCMN,CHELTENHAM,GL510EG,{SSCMN}{p122},0,100,51.02,6b,Yes,FTTP

Let's take another, close, look at the above.

The first emboldening is the POTS PCP number for your postcode -- 122.

The second emboldening is far more interesting -- FTTP. Yes, P not C. So it looks, all being well, that you will be one of the lucky people with the opportunity to have Fibre To The Premise!

I'd like to know where my cab is so I can take a look to see if a new cab appears.

In reply to a post by Ribble:

I'd like to know where my cab is so I can take a look to see if a new cab appears.

Possibly this one.

In reply to a post by burakkucat:

The cabinet that Ribble has mentioned is definitely a POTS PCP.

During you walk-about, tomorrow, please photograph every cabinet in the immediate vicinity to 122 and then let us see what is there.

In reply to a post by Anonymous:

When I look up my postcode on that list there are 2 entries - the entries after the postcode being:
{p5},0,51.51,3.74,7b,Yes,FTTC
{p12},0,48.48,2.35,,,
but this is for exactly the same postcode.

What does this mean exactly and how can I tell if my property gets FTTC?

Edited by burakkucat (Sat 16-Jul-11 22:32:49)

Fortunately for me, our property is directly linked by about 15metres of cable to the telegraph pole which goes down underground and appears to link to the cabinet (numbered 5) about 25metres across the road

Edited by burakkucat (Sat 16-Jul-11 23:52:44)

In reply to a post by delone:

There are two cabinets near me, one about 100 metres away and the other 120 metres away (straight line distance).

Would this be a "short D-side" too?

Edited by burakkucat (Sun 17-Jul-11 02:23:43)

In reply to a post by burakkucat:

In reply to a post by delone:

There are two cabinets near me, one about 100 metres away and the other 120 metres away (straight line distance).

Would this be a "short D-side" too?

<Chuckles> It's all relative, really.

Now, what is a "metre"? Hmm, approximately a yard and three inches.

So 100 metres = 300 yards + 300 inches ~ 308 yards
And 120 metres = 360 yards + 360 inches = 370 yards

Hmm (for the second time), I think they are average(-ish) D-sides. Let's wait for someone who just might be an OR employee or, perhaps, a retired GPO employee to give an opinion.

In reply to a post by chrisadsl:

Er no, a metre is a metre and 100 m = 110 yds and 120 m = 132 yds.

Best just to stick to metres. We've been using them long enough!

Edited by burakkucat (Sun 17-Jul-11 02:33:16)

In reply to a post by burakkucat:

In reply to a post by chrisadsl:

Er no, a metre is a metre and 100 m = 110 yds and 120 m = 132 yds.

D'oh!

Best just to stick to metres. We've been using them long enough!

You've now flipped me into pedantic mode! Do you know b*cat's age? If we were at school together, you certainly could not make the latter assertion. Bah! A metre is foreign, alien, something abnormal to me. (Mutters into facial fur.)

A grumpy b*cat pads off to find his bed . . .

Edited by chrisadsl (Sun 17-Jul-11 04:20:08)

In reply to a post by chrisadsl:

In reply to a post by Ribble:

I'd like to know where my cab is so I can take a look to see if a new cab appears.

Possibly this one.

Either I'm going blind (or mental!) I was sure there was a cab up there, but couldn't see it when I drove past this morning. But it certainly seems to have the 122 printed on the side of it, as per the spreadsheet. I'll walk round there tomorrow. While I'm there I'll look at the cabs opposite. There are 2 large ones I assume as VM, but a small one further along in Barlow Road which could be BT's from the pics I've seen elsewhere.

Edited by RobertoS (Sun 17-Jul-11 08:43:38)

In reply to a post by burakkucat:

The cabinet that Ribble has mentioned is definitely a POTS PCP.

During you walk-about, tomorrow, please photograph every cabinet in the immediate vicinity to 122 and then let us see what is there.

Edited by RobertoS (Sun 17-Jul-11 13:04:05)

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

You can't attach photos here. You have to upload them to somewhere like Imageshack and post the link.

and it's hard to see that they could put one adjacent to 122.

Well I'm 56

I've finally got OpenOffice to open BTW-FTTC-Exchange-and-Cabs-10062011 and there is no mention of Cheltenham there! What's going on?

In reply to a post by Ribble:

and it's hard to see that they could put one adjacent to 122.

Dosnt have to be next to the existing cabinet, but close to existing Openreach duct/joint box and near to an electricity supply. I would guess the other side of Dunelm Close near the bin as there appeers to be both an Openreach footway box and a street light, but they might site it further away.

In reply to a post by burakkucat:

The cabinet that Ribble has mentioned is definitely a POTS PCP.

During you walk-about, tomorrow, please photograph every cabinet in the immediate vicinity to 122 and then let us see what is there.

Must remember to keep an eye out for any developments. So far I've been unable to find a site that lists forthcoming works that would drop a hint.

Probably covered elsewhere, but what criteria do they use to provide FTTP? And is it still provided by a drop from a pole?

In reply to a post by chrisadsl:

First two are obviously my BT cab 122, next is the VM cab in Barlow Close, followed by the large VM cabs on corner, and finally another small VM cab nearby.

http://www.ipernity.com/doc/chriskross/11043875
http://www.ipernity.com/doc/chriskross/11043874
http://www.ipernity.com/doc/chriskross/11043836
http://www.ipernity.com/doc/chriskross/11043878
http://www.ipernity.com/doc/chriskross/11043876

In reply to a post by burakkucat:

In reply to a post by chrisadsl:

First two are obviously my BT cab 122, next is the VM cab in Barlow Close, followed by the large VM cabs on corner, and finally another small VM cab nearby.

http://www.ipernity.com/doc/chriskross/11043875
http://www.ipernity.com/doc/chriskross/11043874
http://www.ipernity.com/doc/chriskross/11043836
http://www.ipernity.com/doc/chriskross/11043878
http://www.ipernity.com/doc/chriskross/11043876

Yes, top marks. You've identified each one correctly.

If the area is really going to be receiving FTTP then there will not be a FTTC installed to pair with PCP 122.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

Do you need to sign up to that site? Or does a Facebook login work, as implied by the page.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

Do you need to sign up to that site? Or does a Facebook login work, as implied by the page.

So looking at http://staging.trefor.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/07... I see no mention of existing PCPs - the fibre just by-passes them until it gets to the DP by the pole (or continue underground to the premises)?

FTTC would be more than adequate for my needs, and if it means getting the visibility of an FTTC installation that would be useful. TBH, I never thought we would be in an area to get fibre, but I suppose the fact that we have VM is spurring on BT.

I've finally got OpenOffice to open BTW-FTTC-Exchange-and-Cabs-10062011 and there is no mention of Cheltenham there! What's going on?

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

I've finally got OpenOffice to open BTW-FTTC-Exchange-and-Cabs-10062011 and there is no mention of Cheltenham there! What's going on?

From the April doc, Cheltenham cab 122 FTTP:-

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

I've given you the post codes and percentage of lines for each.

On the less than 100% ones I assume it is to do with the detailed routing from the cabinet to the premises. No idea really.

Is your post code one ot the ones I've listed?

In reply to a post by adebov:

Is the 100% saying "all of the lines WILL be switched over", or is it saying something more akin to "all of the lines CAN be switched over if requested"?

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NGA,,,,,,,,,
Whilst BT has endeavoured to ensure accuracy of the information contained in this document  it cannot be guaranteed. BT cannot accept liability for any inaccuracies contained within this document.,,,,,,,,,Caveat; This list is only a current indication of cabinet to post code service correlation and may be subject to change in the longer term if re-routing of network connections is required at any time,,,,,,,,,
Issue Version 1.0 (13th April 2011),,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Please do not forward,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, 'Deployed' Key 
Openreach reserves the right to modify delivery criteria and delivery dates.,,,,,,,,,�YES� = Part of scheduled deployment,,,,,,,,,�NO� = Removed or Deferred from Scheduled Deployment
� British Telecommunications plc 2011,,,,,,,,,�Blanks� = Not part of a phase / untargeted cabinetSAU_ID,Name,Postcode,SAU_NODE_ID,Exchange Only Flag,Percent Lines,Uplift,Phase,Deployed,FTTC or FTTP

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

FTTP deployment, usually all kit installed up to around 30m or so from the premises with final connection done as people order it. Thus avoids disturbing people who have no desire for it at all, but infrastructure is close enough that a new resident can order it relatively easily.

Presumably not the way that the cable cos do it

Where do the DPs go?

In reply to a post by Ribble:

Presumably not the way that the cable cos do it

Pretty much how they did back in the 90's, with cabling up to the property boundary and then whatever method was easiest for the final drop when the service was ordered and connected, often laid on surface or through some basic pipe/conduit, even hosepipe.
Blocks of flats,MDU's and terraced houses were often cabled externally in bulk and the final lead in done as and when service ordered.

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

As I understand it, the final run to property will be down existing tube if present, i.e. should not have any of the tell tale cable pipes popping out of the pavement