Handover Node

Question about the above i know that for it to happen it depends on the availabity of ducting present between each cabinet.

The southern part of my village has just had a new FTTC cab appear, from what i know is on the path's and road between the 2 cabinets which are on seperate exchanges there is alot of BT ducts in the path and road, which im guessing would suggest that theres ducting down the road.

Has there been any figures to show what the cost would be in certain expamples where a handover node has been installed, will always be different as its most likely to be a case by case basis but a general overview of cost would be interesting to see.

Local community is in contact with high up BT staff and County council.

thanks

A handover node is the area where BT Openreach hand over connections from the FTTC/P network to service providers via a layer 2 switch, what exactly are you referring to with regards to cabinets in the street?

I think the op is saying that half the village is fed from a different exchange.

In reply to a post by ccxo:

Local community is in contact with high up BT staff and County council.

What about?

As I read your post, an FTTC cabinet has been installed. Is the question "Why isn't there one for the north part and what would we have to pay to have one"?

In its simplist form yes, village is covered by 2 exchanges.

Edited by deleted (Wed 20-Jul-11 19:24:21)

Apart from asking what the cost of a handover node is, and IgnitionNet has explained what that is - and it's the ISP side of the exchange not your side and nothing to do with FTTC, you haven't asked us a question and you haven't told us what you are in contact with BT and the Council about.

If your worry is that there is only one FTTC cabinet, as I read your opening post it is between the two PCP cabinets, each of which is connected to a different exchange.

It sounds perfectly feasible to me that the single FTTC cabinet is serving both PCPs.

Have you established what FTTC coverage is planned for the north and south of the village? A post code in the north and one in the south would be a start. Also, what are the two exchanges?

What we are in contact with BT and the council about is the providing of a fibre based service to the north of the village and to the rest of villages that the exchange covers.

The Hermitage exchange THHRJ covers the north of Cold Ash and the surrounding villages of Hermitage and beyond, though most likely it will be to the main built up areas.

The FTTC cabinet is next to the southern PCP cabinet which is connected to the Thatcham exchange THT, where its coverage cuts the village in half, the village is split by different numbers due to the exchanges.

The distance between the two cabinets is about 1.3 miles on goggle maps following the main road through the village.
I can provide locations where the 2 PCP cabinets are located.

The area of the village is covered by one post code which is RG18 9JH and the town of Thatcham is under the RG18 3RP.

Coverage for the north/south of the village, well with the instilation of the FTTC cab on the southern PCP cabinet the south of the village should be covered.

The north of the village is unkown though there is possibly some senstive information i can send via pm about OR plans for the County, not sure if should post on a public forum.
The north of the village would likely be dependent on the Hermitage exchange being upgraded for any improvement to arrive.

Exchange wise for west berkshire out of the list of exchanges the main exchanges have or will be upgraded to FTTC by the end of the year, Which leaves the next larger exchanges in terms of population service to be upgraded. There are 19 exchanges which under BT's goal of 85% coverage by 2015, my exchange which im connected to at current, the Hermitage exchange is the 6th largest so will be covered by 2015 though exact coverage is unknown until BT start rolling out their service.

It sounds perfectly feasible to me that the single FTTC cabinet is serving both PCPs.

I'm not sure one FTTC cabinet can be connected to more than one PCP, even if there is spare capacity? Others may know better.

BT's goal of 85% coverage by 2015

IIRC it is 66% coverage by 2015, although the government may have a different target.

In reply to a post by New_Londoner:

It sounds perfectly feasible to me that the single FTTC cabinet is serving both PCPs.

I'm not sure one FTTC cabinet can be connected to more than one PCP, even if there is spare capacity? Others may know better.

I'm not aware of any reason it should not be. There is just a cable of copper pairs between the PCP and FTTC cabinet to link onto the copper to the premises, and as long as the two such cables could get into the FTTC cabinet it should be fine.

Which isn't to say Openreach ever do it!

What is certain is that the FTTC cabinet does not need to be connected to the same exchange as the PCP, so I was wondering if that was how the north area could get FTTC. However from the OP's latest post it seems probably not so, due to the distance between the two PCPs being too great for the FTTC cab to bridge the gap.

Two PCPs that distance appart could not be served by a single FTTC CAB.

Having looked at the OR spreadsheet the Thatcham exchange is part of phase 5b but PCP 2 (which covers 18% of RG19 9JH) appears not to be part of the roll out. This PCP seems to cover several other post codes which are not included either.

There is no mention of post code RG19 9JH being covered by the Hermitage exchange in the spreadsheet although that exchange is part of the roll out as well.

Remember every household is not planned to be covered by FTTC and villages served by two exchanges are the places where these oddities will occur. If the north side PCP doesnt serve sufficient households within the range of VDSL then it won't get done. The uplift is showing as 4.2 - if that is 4 times current speed of, say, 2MB/s that is only 8MB/s which isnt what FTTC is about at present.

To reply to you're post guys, New_Londoner the 85% is from BT wholesale to a meeting of all the countys districts and partiuclar refernce to west berkshire.

Greenglide the RG189JH postcode is for the parish council office which is surced under the Thathcam pcp cab, RG18 9JJ is the private school near to my house which is covered by the northern pcp cab and the hermitage exchange.

The spreadsheet with the rollout what parts of the hermitage exhange are covered?
Could you send me the document or provide a link to dl it if possible.

The north end of the village does contain a large number of properties and a large private school so there is a strong demand for a better service.

Could you explain a bit more on the range of VSDL and the uplift figures thank you.

I have yet to see what you describe, being done.

Hermitage has some enormously long D-side runs, so of no benefit using VDSL.

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

I have yet to see what you describe, being done.

Hermitage has some enormously long D-side runs, so of no benefit using VDSL.

Could you explain please, as D-side runs? not that tech savey with networks thanks.

Could you explain please, as D-side runs? not that tech savey with networks thanks.

"D-side" -- the distribution side, from the PCP to the premises being served by the pairs.

Two cabs (not large) right next to each other in my area have both had fttc cabs put in - so four cabs in a row - bothl fed from same exchange. BT must just look at each pcp and treat as a separate job. Dont forget a lot of this is contract work so they arent going to rob themselves of future work by slinging a feed to both pcps from a single fttc cab.

In reply to a post by ccxo:

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

I have yet to see what you describe, being done.

Hermitage has some enormously long D-side runs, so of no benefit using VDSL.

Could you explain please, as D-side runs? not that tech savey with networks thanks.

E-Side typically referrs to the run between the cabinet and the exchange (Exchange side), and D-Site typically referrs to the run between the cabinet and the property (Distribution side).

So if your cab is say 20M from the exchange but your property is 2KM from the Cab, VDSL isn't likely to make a great deal of difference.

But it's rare to see a scenario like that; even if a line does have a very long D-Side; it will still be faster under VDSL as the E-Side will no longer play into the sync rate achievable.

I have sent you a PM with the location of the spreadsheet in it.

I think you need Excel 2007 or equivalent to open it.

Thanks greenglide, you mentioned in you're earlier reply that the hermitage exchange is in the roleout, i cannot find any details of it being on the list.

If the PCP cabinet thats connected to the hermitage exchange which is number 7 that i am connected to im only about 160 meters from the pcp to my house via copper.

Edited by deleted (Fri 22-Jul-11 14:30:09)

how you get in contact with that BT staff member, I wouldnt mind knowing.

The first staff member was a contact from a member of the parish council, have also been in contact with Openreach SE Manager after a email to Oliva Garfield head of Open reach.