BT launches 100mb broadband

http://www.productsandservices.bt.com/consumerProduc...

Wooooo

7 quid more a month.

Edited by epyon (Tue 15-Nov-11 08:31:18)

So it's £10 extra a month for around 60Mb up and 5Mb down on top of the standard speeds. Not sure many people will pay that. Be interested to see what the price of the standard speed is when it's doubled
iechyd da

Well its FTTP not FTTC so i think people will pay it if available.

But not for businesses ... yet.

People will pay it, theres still people who only get 10-20 on bt infinity, i get 14 on infinity, if fibre to the home was available here, id pay it.

Im still on the broadband with fibre trial, i see it actually shows up now on the bt site offering upto 20mb speeds, bargain for £28 !!

Can't detroy that lovely leased-line revenue can they...

There are a lot of small businesses, often run from home who would really benefit from teh 15 or possibly 20 Mbps upload speeds if they host their own websites.

i wonder what areas can actually get this, and if any are served by fttc what are the chances of them offering fttp ?

Leased lines with SLA's are a totally different kettle of fish, they break and you should see a fast reaction.

Also the CBR will be vastly different.

In reply to a post by paul1360:

So it's £10 extra a month for around 60Mb up and 5Mb down on top of the standard speeds. Not sure many people will pay that. Be interested to see what the price of the standard speed is when it's doubled
iechyd da

I expect it will be an awfully long time before this becomes available as an upgrade from FTTC.

A small box (approx 15cm x 10cm x 3cm) will need to be fixed to the outside of your property so we can run the fibre optic cable straight to your home. You do not need to be at home for this stage provided that the engineer has access to the outside of your property close to where your phone line enters to attach your fibre box.

There's no mention of how the fibre gets to it?

A plastic tube is pushed through the small duct/tube or overhead, and the fibre is then blown to the premises.

'modem' inside house http://www.farina1.com/fibre/wgc_media/source/IMG_43...
http://www.farina1.com/fibre/wgc_media/source/IMG_43... external box opened up and showing connector to fibre that goes inside property

http://www.farina1.com/fibre/ loads more bits

Indeed, but there's definitely a business market for lower-cost broadband with the higher upstreams but not needing the "protections" of an SLA.
Currenltly if you need the higher upstream you're often stuk with buying an expensive leased line / ethernet circuit with SLAs, committed rates etc whether you really need them or not. The cynic in me suggests that BT are in no rush to give businesses the option to choose.

I will probably sign up to this once its available in my area. Just need to get rid of all the Virgin FTTP equipment.

Incidentally does anyone know if BTOR released any documents stating which areas are going to have 100MB service?

Another six areas on top of those in our news item, but Openreach has not given a roll-out plan that represents complete network.

To some extent this avoids the annoyance at plans shifting time, and for FTTP even worse exact location.

Makes sense.

After reading the article I think I am going to wait to see how much they will be charging for the 80/20 FTTC service.

In reply to a post by maniac886:

I will probably sign up to this once its available in my area. Just need to get rid of all the Virgin FTTP equipment.

Virgin is not FTTP. It is FTTN(ode), then I believe coax to the cabinet, and certainly coax from there to the premises.

IMPORTANT:

You dont get a choice at a premises, it is either

FTTP
or
FTTC

BT Retail may offer you Option 1, 2 or 3 where FTTP is available, and limit your speeds articificially on option 1 and 2.

But if an address has FTTC it will not have the option of FTTP too.

If writing about FTTP I tend to use full fibre somewhere, and certainly would be the 'radio' phrase to emphasis the difference.

Interesting they call it option 3 and that the upload is 15Mb, isn't it supposed to be increasing to 20Mb on FTTC, why would it be lower on FTTP?

I'm guessing when the FTTC speed increase comes along their packages will look something like..

Option 1 - FTTC 40/2 or 80/10
Option 2 - FTTC 80/20
Option 3 - FTTP 100/15

Remember the FTTC uploads are line length dependant, so 20 Meg upstream may not be for the majority.

In reply to a post by Croftie:

Interesting they call it option 3 and that the upload is 15Mb, isn't it supposed to be increasing to 20Mb on FTTC, why would it be lower on FTTP?

I'm guessing when the FTTC speed increase comes along their packages will look something like..

Option 1 - FTTC 40/2 or 80/10
Option 2 - FTTC 80/20
Option 3 - FTTP 100/15

Remeber that when OR launch the 80/20 option there will be a 300/30 option on fttp as well.
The 100/15 may become 300/30 when all the upgrades take place in may next year!

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

If writing about FTTP I tend to use full fibre somewhere, and certainly would be the 'radio' phrase to emphasis the difference.

Good idea. I shall do similar when appropriate.

Indeed, that's why I'm supprised to see the UL lower on FTTP. I think Gleichfalls has solved the mystery though.

Good point, that's probably why. Virgins max upload is currently only 10Mb aswell so OR are probably in no reall rush to up it.

I think personally

BTwholesale will do

40/5
40/20
80/5
80/20

FTTP
25/25 - 50/50 (business?)
100/15
100/30
300/30
300/100

Depends what wholesale thinks the market would want.

Edited by epyon (Tue 15-Nov-11 20:16:43)

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

Leased lines with SLA's are a totally different kettle of fish, they break and you should see a fast reaction.

Wouldn't be more affordable for businesses to have two fibre lines through two providers or networks (assuming that's possible to one premises)?

Diverse connectivity is often better insurance than one very expensive connection

Nothing stopping a firm having FTTC/P from Openreach, Virgin Media cable service, Ethernet, wireless and even satellite if it is very important to avoid local infrastructure points of failure

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

Virgin is not FTTP. It is FTTN(ode), then I believe coax to the cabinet, and certainly coax from there to the premises.

Confirmed - in my street the coax from the various flats go to a joint under a grid in the grass, then a much bigger coax cable runs down the street to a green box. The NTL man in 2001 said the fibre was at the green box, but was shared for the whole of my street and the neighbouring one.

Mr S,
I never knew that FTTC speed up/down was line length dependant????
Yes it does seem odd that if BT are going to increase speed to 80/20Mb that FTTP is only 15Mb up
iechyd da

Edited by deleted (Wed 16-Nov-11 09:28:53)

Line length is one part of it. Copper is far from perfect.

FTTP will probably have a higher upstream speed in the future.

Also speed is heavily affected by crosstalk.

I was first on my cabinet and got a possible line speed of 52 meg.

Now 2 months on and with a fair few more people on the cabinet as OR seem to have a guy permantly camped there it has dropped to 37 meg.

In reply to a post by paul1360:

Mr S,
I never knew that FTTC speed up/down was line length dependant????

Length from the fibre cabinet via the PSTN cabinet, as opposed to ADSLx which is length from the exchange.

It appears that on the 8c profile that is being phased out, 40Mbps downstream connection ceases somewhere between 550m and 700m, dependent on line quality. I haven't got a length for upstream, but I'm getting 40/10 at 600m.

looks good.

£35 for 100Mb/15Mb with "unlimited" usage. Hard to sniff at.

I was convinced the new "80/20" product on FTTC would remain the same price as the normal "40/10" product. But it seems there is a gap in the pricing now to accomodate it.

So the offerings are as follows (slotted the potential 80/20 service in)
FTTC 40/2 (40GB use) - £18
FTTC 40/10 (unlimited) - £25.60
FTTC 80/20 (unlimited?) - £30ish?
FTTP 100/15 (unlimited) - £35

AAISP seem to have FTTP on their price list - same as FTTC:

aa.net.uk/broadband-prices-full.html

hmm weird thing is, on that link to bt infinity where it staes the 100mb fttp service, it says that is a relatively easy process where the enigineer installs the fibre to the premises, can this be done on an individual basis to order, if its that simple, and just serve fibre to people who want it rather than full areas where only a few want it.

Given their pricing it might be a case of FTTC subsidising FTTP...

Nah, it's us poor ADSLmax folk on 1/20 of the speed for 1/3 of the price.

You're confusing marketing with engineering.
Once engineering have put the local infrastructure in place in an area it becomes simple to install the final fibre span from to the premises. Marketing then get to say that its a simple job to install to premises who want it

In reply to a post by ionic:

Indeed, but there's definitely a business market for lower-cost broadband with the higher upstreams but not needing the "protections" of an SLA.
Currenltly if you need the higher upstream you're often stuk with buying an expensive leased line / ethernet circuit with SLAs, committed rates etc whether you really need them or not. The cynic in me suggests that BT are in no rush to give businesses the option to choose.

hence also the amount of city areas skipped for FTTC as well.

Why is this FTTP so crippled as well, are BT selling the slowest FTTP connection around for uploads?