SKY FTTC - Where are people getting 2mb upload from?

With the announcement of SKY FTTC a lot of people seem to be mentioning that the upload will be 2mb. Where is this coming from? It's doesn't mention anything about upload in the press release they made.

Also, is it the same as the LLU, i.e. you have to take the SKY line rental too, potentially making it difficult to move a way from?

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/5004-sky-to-launc...

No mention of it being 2Mbs on the orange Sky fibre link but ask andrew, must have came from somewhere!.

I had sky once but just was not watching it, mostly free to air and the 1 to 5 so normalk telly, the days of my sky, long gone but maybe again one day.

In the comments to the linked article Andrew says he is checking with them, then comes back with the answer. So presumably edited the article (yesterday).

Hello Bob

Oops, did not know that, sure the facts where checked.
I read the artical the other day so a bit of a funny question I thought.

The sky piece is a bit poor as it does not say, or i missed and did read it twice before writting on here and not correct.

Just seen the comment, did not get down that far.

Edited by deleted (Wed 01-Feb-12 15:46:10)

Sky are being very crafty, the want to advertise "unlimited and unmanged" packages but by only offering the 2Mb upload they are in fact managing their network by offering this product.

I have seen people on Sky support forums openly admit that they fileshare 2+ Terabytes a month.

Given that Sky has possibly attracted more than their share of heavy downloaders can you imagine the strain on their network if 40/10 and even 80/20 packages were released on day1?

Thier bandwidth bill would likely soar as well as major peak time slowdowns.

So will sky offer these other products for a premium prce or are just seeing for now how much extra use will people get out of their FTTC packages?

Only time will tell but I can see more network upgrades are going to be needed if they do.

Well seeing as it's not official i'm taking it with a pince of salt. To be honest the upload doesn't really bother me as i don't really upload anything. It will be interesting to see what happens with this.

I've been holding off getting FTTC because i wanted to see what Sky were going to do.

Does anyone think Sky FTTC will actually be any good?

In reply to a post by Anonymous:

Sky are being very crafty, the want to advertise "unlimited and unmanged" packages but by only offering the 2Mb upload they are in fact managing their network by offering this product.

I have seen people on Sky support forums openly admit that they fileshare 2+ Terabytes a month.

Given that Sky has possibly attracted more than their share of heavy downloaders can you imagine the strain on their network if 40/10 and even 80/20 packages were released on day1?

Thier bandwidth bill would likely soar as well as major peak time slowdowns.

So will sky offer these other products for a premium prce or are just seeing for now how much extra use will people get out of their FTTC packages?

Only time will tell but I can see more network upgrades are going to be needed if they do.

Actually, I think Sky know that content is king. They have massive content and with the imminent launch of allowing everyone to watch movies & TV episodes that are hosted on their network, keeping punters within the network will reduce their bandwidth costs, so offering FTTC is a very smart move, IMO.

Looking at the sky article it says

Usage Speed Fair use policy Cost per month with Sky TV, Sky Talk and line rental Cost per month without Sky TV Set-up costs for new customers

On Sky�s network
Sky Broadband Everyday Lite Up to 2gb per month Up to 20mb
No Free N/A None
Sky Broadband Unlimited Totally unlimited Up to 20mb No
£7.50 £10 with line rental and Sky Talk None if Sky TV customer
Sky Broadband Unlimited Fibre Totally unlimited Up to 40mb No £20 N/A £50

Off Sky�s network

Lets hope you are right and it does not effect the BT FTTC, a bit mean but people doing that amount on my cabnet, no thank you. Mine goes at full speed and what will happen when it goes up to 80 on bt network or sky, who knows.

I have upto 40Gb a month and use 7 if luckly. Hope people don't take the pi** on any network and ruins the speed us light users get and pay our money.

Off the point to what you say.
Said £20 month and unlimited, mine is £18 with 40Gb limit and some trafic shaping, not sure what sky do by even if a bit but no limit the £20, very good.

OK other do the upto 10Mb upload, Bt was £28 I think when looking at this last may.
I went for the cheaper one but at £2 more sky seems good I think. Will it ruining the speeds at peak times, like you say mre money bought in for upgrades and all that, who knows.

I don't even have sky, just responded to the first posting as I read the answer. Surley this was spotted but maybe not.

I had sky basic package after the dreadfull on digital that became itv digital was expensive for what little you go in the way of channels down the ariel.

Now freeview and HD if had you analog turned off (like us in sept last year). I dropped that before it went tits up and got sky in 2000.

Don't have now. Back with a dish as got the posh 3d telly 13 months ago whe they where a con (£1600, not now) and have freesat and freeview HD. So doing a manual scan of other channels can bring up sky stuff and the encripted stuff and al the move channels, just can't see. of course.

No more sky, to dear for what little I used the channels, might as well get a freeview box that I did 5 years ago.
Money saved, sorted!.

I asked Sky directly, and got the 2 Mbps reply.

We do make a point of trying to provide some of the snippets that we know people will be asking.

Did also ask about the 40 to 80 uplifts, but it is a case of sit and wait to see what happens there.

Hi Andrew,

Was there any hint that the 2Mbps might be increased in the (near) future or perhaps a 10Mbps option available for a little more £?

I can just see BT's Infinity ads post April:

BT Infinity - 5 times faster than Sky*
_{* based on upload speeds}

Edited by deleted (Wed 01-Feb-12 19:44:21)

Launch is with 2 Mbps upload, at least that is the plan currently and was confirmed with staff at Sky rather than rumour machine.

There is a price premium to the 10 Mbps, £90 per year for 2 versus £110 or so for 10 Meg if memory is working, plus the implications on backhaul.

So doing 10 Meg for the price point is unlikely, but maybe a HD version in the future. My speculation I should add.

Also this relates just to FTTC, no FTTP product yet.

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

There is a price premium to the 10 Mbps, £90 per year for 2 versus £110 or so for 10 Meg if memory is working, ...

That's the Openreach charge I assume?

Edit - thanks charles1 for pointing out my slip of the brain .

Edited by RobertoS (Wed 01-Feb-12 22:00:45)

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

There is a price premium to the 10 Mbps, £90 per year for 2 versus £110 or so for 10 Meg if memory is working, ...

That's the BT Wholesale charge I assume?

Surely BT Openreach, not BT Wholesale - Sky will presumably be using GEA

Isn't that what I said?

Andrew will probably reply to the original, as they get emailed to you if you have that setting. (I think he has). I believe edits don't.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

There is a price premium to the 10 Mbps, £90 per year for 2 versus £110 or so for 10 Meg if memory is working, ...

That's the Openreach charge I assume?

Edit - thanks charles1 for pointing out my slip of the brain .

Perhaps it is time for you to go and mull over this append you made to me about a year ago

http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/fibre/t/3982305-re-...

How could someone with your vast knowledge and ability to nitpick have got this wrong !!

In reply to a post by Corbula:

Well seeing as it's not official i'm taking it with a pince of salt. To be honest the upload doesn't really bother me as i don't really upload anything. It will be interesting to see what happens with this.

I've been holding off getting FTTC because i wanted to see what Sky were going to do.

Does anyone think Sky FTTC will actually be any good?

Well considering how their current unlimited offering is easily the best adsl deal out there, speed, reliability, price and a not too bad customer service.

I've read that in order to get FTTC you have to take Sky Line. Does this mean that the phone line will cease to be a BT phone line? Meaning it will make it difficult if i want to move a way from Sky in the future?

What actually makes it difficult, do you have to pay to get the line moved back or is it difficult getting a MAC code?

Its is a confusing world as Openreach provider FTTC at the wholesale level

As do BT Wholesale, but with BT Wholesale you are also buying the approriate WBC elements, i.e. for those providers that do not have some other way of getting data out of the exchange building.

It is a cunning regulatory move

The voice line will be LLU based, yes so there will be the fun of going back to another provider, but that difficulty is as much the gaining provider, as Sky's, as the regulator for allowing it to exist.

MAC does not apply to FTTC, or full LLU

So it only really makes it more difficult for Sky and the new provider and not me?

I was led to believe that you shouldn't take Sky Talk because it makes it very difficult to migrate away from Sky, but if it only makes it more difficult for the providers it shouldn't make a difference to me right?

As its more difficult for them they tend to do things like pass on some of the costs involved or want to lock you into a longer contract

So if you want the simplest life avoid full LLU

More difficult for who? Sky or the new provider?

Pass on the costs to who? me?

Would you avoid Sky FTTC because of Sky Talk?

The new provider and you. Old provider generally does not care.

Costs - yes you.

If I could get Sky FTTC I'd probably get it, even if it was just TalkTalk FTTC I would. Already have one line that is fully unbundled and will be doing a full LLU to full LLU move in March.

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/i/5013.html

Ignore the FVA part, as GEA pricing is both FTTC and FTTP, i.e. same price

The price difference is 50p a month between 2 Meg and 10 Meg, less than I thought it was. The £6.90 a month is ex VAT, and their is each customers bit of the one off £2000 GEA link cable to buy (and you though Monster cables were expensive).