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Standard User Northwind
(learned) Tue 14-Feb-12 09:22:38
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Couple of updates for FTTC providers spreadsheet


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Hello,

Thanks to all the folk who have constructed the big FTTC providers spreadsheet. I have a couple of updates, if it is still being actively maintained.

1. AAISP's 2-units package prices without and with Premium are now £30 and £42, inclusive of VAT. Per their prices page.
2. None of the prices listed for Goscomb's packages include VAT, not even the retail packages.
3. Goscomb's data transfer allowances include upload, so we can enter a "No" in the "Unmetered Uploads" column.

Hope that's useful,

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Standard User Northwind
(learned) Wed 15-Feb-12 11:23:22
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I'm still picking through this sheet to try and find a suitable FTTC provider.

Some suggestions for additions to the sheet:

1. IPv6 support
So far I've only identified AAISP, Goscomb, IDNet and Web Tapestry as assigning /48s on their FTTC packages. Still no response from ADSL24...

2. GEA + backhaul vs WBC
I think that only Talk Talk have implemented GEA with their own backhaul, but which ISPs resell that? Uno / Xilo?

Thanks,

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Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Wed 15-Feb-12 13:26:14
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Just a minor point of info.

WBC uses GEA to get your fibre connection onto their MSAN and so into their backhaul. Sky will be doing the same for now, into their backhaul of course.

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Standard User Zadeks
(committed) Wed 15-Feb-12 13:40:33
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Still nothing about traffic shaping. I doubt BT's biggest fan will add it any time soon.
Standard User orly
(fountain of knowledge) Wed 15-Feb-12 14:57:49
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Feel free to explain how anyone would fit those sorts of details into a spreadsheet without it being enormous.

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Standard User orly
(fountain of knowledge) Wed 15-Feb-12 15:06:58
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In reply to a post by Northwind:
Hello,

Thanks to all the folk who have constructed the big FTTC providers spreadsheet. I have a couple of updates, if it is still being actively maintained.

1. AAISP's 2-units package prices without and with Premium are now £30 and £42, inclusive of VAT. Per their prices page.
2. None of the prices listed for Goscomb's packages include VAT, not even the retail packages.
3. Goscomb's data transfer allowances include upload, so we can enter a "No" in the "Unmetered Uploads" column.

Hope that's useful,


Yes it is being maintained. I try to keep an eye on it and check the ISPs from time to time but it's hard to catch every change. I appreciate when people make threads like this or send me a private message when I've missed stuff.

1. Are you sure? I might be the only one who finds AAISP's pricing incredibly complicated but I don't believe the prices you have given are accurate.

2. Fixed.

3. Fixed. When I tried to find out about uploads I couldn't see anything obvious on their site. I'll trust your direction as you seem to be a user.

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Anonymous
(Unregistered)Wed 15-Feb-12 16:06:53
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Thanks orly!

The AAISP prices are the ones their calculator spat-out at me this week. I think they were rounded-up last November. But as you say AAISP prices are like quantum particles, you can never know exactly where they are AND what they are at the same time.

As for Goscomb counting uploads in the total traffic; yes, I am a customer and I also pinged them earlier this week to check that they have the same policy for FTTC. Sadly, yes...
Standard User pete_thomson
(fountain of knowledge) Wed 15-Feb-12 16:52:50
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The £30 listed is ex vat = £36 inc VAT

Was
Virgin Media 50Mb/s
53.34Mb/s - 1.65Mb/s - 29ms @ 24/05/2011
http://speedtest.net/result/1310626245.png

Now
Andrews & Arnold
5.66Mb/s - 0.75Mb/s - 42ms
http://www.speedtest.net/result/1526709410.png
Standard User gmoorc
(member) Wed 15-Feb-12 17:28:14
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It says the prices include VAT at the bottom of the page.
Standard User pete_thomson
(fountain of knowledge) Wed 15-Feb-12 21:49:44
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So it does - I read the hovver which read "price based on vat exclusive amount" and misunderstood. This clears it up:

"Some of the prices on the web site are prices based on a VAT exclusive price. This means that if the VAT rate should change then the VAT exclusive price does not change.

For example, if we say something is £10.00 exclusive VAT and this is based on a VAT exclusive price then if there is a VAT rate change then the price remains £10.00 exclusive VAT.

If you are a VAT registered customer the effect would be no change to the amount you ultimately pay as you can reclaim the VAT at the prevailing rate. For example at 17.5% the above is £10.00+£1.75 VAT making £11.75, and at 15% the above would be £10.00+£1.50 VAT making £11.50.

Where we quote a price on the web site that is VAT inclusive but is based on a VAT exclusive price we have a link to this page next to the price to make it clear that the price quoted is based on the VAT exclusive price and the prevailing VAT rate and so would change in the event of a VAT rate change"

:-/


So the price IS £30.

Was
Virgin Media 50Mb/s
53.34Mb/s - 1.65Mb/s - 29ms @ 24/05/2011
http://speedtest.net/result/1310626245.png

Now
Andrews & Arnold
5.66Mb/s - 0.75Mb/s - 42ms
http://www.speedtest.net/result/1526709410.png
Standard User gmoorc
(member) Wed 15-Feb-12 22:01:29
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I remember them putting that up after a vat change.
You can't argue about them wanting to be transparent with their customers!
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Thu 16-Feb-12 01:15:56
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Yes, it's a bit confusing until you read the actual dagger text at the bottom.

It's £30.

The off-peak GBs is also dodgy given the 2am-6am 1TB per unit. Taking the peak 2GB and "50GB" off-peak that leaves 200GB between 2am and 6am. 1GB peak would give 600GB 2-6. 40GB in "off-peak" instead of 50GB would add another 200GB in 2-6.

No way could orly cover that lot, but I do think the 50GB is rather pessimistic.

My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk
My domains,website and mail hosting - Tsohost. Internet connection - Plusnet Value Fibre.

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Anonymous
(Unregistered)Thu 16-Feb-12 08:35:23
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Yes, that's true for AAISP. The OP was talking about Goscomb's prices being VAT-exclusive, not AAISP's.

Goscomb's site is quite clear:

"All prices displayed exclude VAT."
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Thu 16-Feb-12 10:26:53
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In reply to a post by Anonymous:
Yes, that's true for AAISP. The OP was talking about Goscomb's prices being VAT-exclusive, not AAISP's.
The issue is AAISP prices. Point 1 of the OP and subsequent discussions of the AAISP page linked to there. The spreadsheet prices are incorrect.

My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk
My domains,website and mail hosting - Tsohost. Internet connection - Plusnet Value Fibre.

"Where talent is a dwarf, self-esteem is a giant." - Jean-Antoine Petit-Senn.
Standard User Michael_Chare
(committed) Fri 17-Feb-12 00:18:28
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In reply to a post by orly:
Yes it is being maintained. I try to keep an eye on it and check the ISPs from time to time but it's hard to catch every change. I appreciate when people make threads like this or send me a private message when I've missed stuff.

Are your prices right for Plusnet Market 2 exchanges? Plusnet say that they classify Market 2 and 3 exchanges as "Low cost areas for residential accounts"

Michael Chare
Standard User Northwind
(learned) Fri 17-Feb-12 19:03:05
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Hi again orly, just to say thanks for maintaining the sheet.

In the end we didn't find a suitable FTTC package so went for an additional BE wholesale service, but the sheet was crucial in that decision so was much appreciated.

Once GEA is more widespread and / or contract term is reduced we'll be using the sheet again!

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Standard User SteveDerby
(newbie) Fri 17-Feb-12 19:26:21
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Just a small point, but ADSL24's setup fee is £99 not £49, I know because I'm currently a customer of theirs but the economics of £99 setup fee plus £40-50 for a new wireless router mean I'm almost certainly going to have to migrate away despite them being the best ISP I've ever been with. But thanks to the compilers of the list, it's going to help me out a great deal deciding who to migrate to when my cabinet goes live soon. Oh, and if anyone can make personal recommendations about fibre ISP's that have limits of 100Gb or more, then please feel free to PM me.
Standard User blueacid
(committed) Fri 17-Feb-12 19:31:51
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Steve - you use 100GB or more; what time of day do you mostly use this? If it's mostly made of bulk downloads that can be scheduled overnight then you're spoiled for choice.

If it mostly comprises stuff that needs to happen during the day or evening then you may find your search limited to plusnet or BT, unless you're willing to part with a larger amount of cash.
Standard User orly
(fountain of knowledge) Sat 18-Feb-12 12:36:44
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Fixed...seems they are another provider who have hiked their install price.

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Standard User Adsl24
(fountain of knowledge) Sat 18-Feb-12 21:54:41
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No choice after Openreach raised the installation charge to £80+vat late last year, so that's why frown

James
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Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Sat 18-Feb-12 22:19:48
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No choice after Openreach raised the installation charge to £80+vat late last year, so that's why frown
That was the chosen option over the forecast CP/user install then tongue.

My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk
My domains,website and mail hosting - Tsohost. Internet connection - Plusnet Value Fibre.

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