Fibre on our Estate

I live on an estate which has a BT cabinet at the entrance to the estate. BT installed a fibre cab next to it a couple of months ago.

I am about 300m from this cabinet (it is straight down the road). There is also a normal BT cabinet right out side my house.

When I check my number in the BT checker, it says my cabinet will be fibre enabled on 31/3/2012.

My question is, will I be connected to the cabinet 300m away or will I be connected to the one right outside my house?

Cheers

Tony

The cabinet should have a number on it, do a search for your post code in this spreadsheet and if your cabinets been scheduled to be upgraded it will show up.

The P number is the cabinet number, it may list more than one cabinet, in which case you've got no way of knowing which one. If there's no results then either the postcode format you entered is wrong or that postcode was not scheduled in December.

If it does not show a total of 100% lines then there's a cabinet that is not listed, and therefore not scheduled.

Also the date you are seeing is only a guide, and could change. Mine states 1/03/2012 and my cabinets installed, but alas still nothing.

It shows :

SLRSN ROSSINGTON DN110FD {SLRSN}{P3} 0 8% 3.23 6b
SLRSN ROSSINGTON DN110FD {SLRSN}{P5} 0 90% 23.1 6b

Cabinet outside house is 89T

Hopefully your not on 89T, as it's not listed in the spreadsheet. Although there is 2% of lines missing from the information you posted.

I wonder if that is the correct number or if it is even a BT cabinet, highest number on the spreadsheet for Rossington is P14

T suggests its a TPON cabinet

Hmm... I think I've seen a BT engineer working on it outside my house - I could be wrong though, I might have dreamt it!

I guess I'll just have to wait until the end of the month and keep checking the BT checker to see what happens.

Pic of cabinet:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-dA_g1YKqWHA/T1IWw...

Thanks for your help.

Tony

In reply to a post by Ribble:

T suggests its a TPON cabinet

Ah, yes this would make sense as the estate was TPON.
We only got our copper overlay in 2009 to enable us to have broadband.
I had to get a new line/phone number when I was finally able to place the ADSL order.

Maybe I am connected to the cabinet at the estate entrance after all.

yes, quite likely

Id be fairly sure that the cab in the picture isn't a BT one. It's more than likely that your line is fed from the cabinet as you come in your estate.

There are actually three lines for your postcode --

SLRSN,ROSSINGTON,DN110FD,{SLRSN}{M_F},1,1%,,,,
SLRSN,ROSSINGTON,DN110FD,{SLRSN}{P3},0,8%,3.23,6b,Yes,FTTC
SLRSN,ROSSINGTON,DN110FD,{SLRSN}{P5},0,90%,23.1,6b,Yes,FTTC

Please don't ask me what the M_F signifies, I do not know. Lot's of people have speculated but no one has been able to give a definitive answer.

For the record, here follows all the indicators from the December 2011 spreadsheet that are not of the Pnumber format --

Text

1 23 45 67 89

M_A         PE11        PE3         PE93        PP125T      PP52T M_B         PE12        PE30        PFCC1       PP127T      PP53TM_C         PE13        PE31        PHOW        PP145T      PP5T M_D         PE16        PE4         PMDF2       PP18T       PP61TM_E         PE18        PE5         PP108T      PP1T        PP6T M_F         PE19        PE6         PP109T      PP2T        PP7TPCMUX1      PE2         PE7         PP117T      PP43T       PS1 PE1         PE20        PE8         PP118T      PP49T       PS2PE10        PE21        PE9         PP124T      PP4T

Zarjaz -- Is there any chance that you might be able to determine the meaning of the above indicators, please?

M_ are all exchange lines as the next column showing a 1 says it is an EO line

Thanks, James. I haven't looked closely at any of the entries with the above indicators. Do you have any idea about what the others could represent, please?

99% of the time they are lines that are not served by a cabinet one way or another, or lines very close to the exchange that are not viable.

James

what does this mean?


LWSOU SOUTHALL UB25RH {LWSOU}{P14} 0 100% 7.93 9b Yes

100% of the postcode is served by PCP 14, which is due to be FTTC enabled in Phase 9b, resulting in an approximate uplift of 7.93 times your current sync rate.

Simples!

when will phase 9b be started?

Going on the 3 month cycle for each phase, phase 9 is October to December so anywhere between that period if the work is completed on time, can easily slip till net year.

Any more news on this?

I live on the same estate and can't order fibre but the rest of the village can!

If its anything like where I live 1000's of new builds over the last 15 years, they ignored all the ex-TPON cabs, leaving 100's of houses in the slow lane, they would have to have gone past them to get to get to other true copper cabs - I havent seen anything anywhere to suggest that these ex-TPON cabs can be done, I dont know what the technical problem is, but it is annoying. Ive tried to find out but only get the usual response from BT/Openreach. Im not holding out much hope anytime soon.

TPON while annoying is rare, and the differences make it more of a custom job, and with the pressure to get numbers connected the low hanging fruit is being done first

The issue is that TPON cabs generally support a lower number of users so when OR apply their cost criteria for FTTC it doesn't cost in.

I know of one TPON cab locally where the local residents are funding the FTTC installation.

Not around here they dont, as we have 2 feeding our bit, there is a group of 4 just up the road, and another group of 4 in the other estate, at a rough guess I'd say they have missed at least > 800+ houses, and these are mostly 4+ bedroom houses with people with the money to pay for these services, well I would anyway!!

Openreach standard FTTC cab supports 288 lines, which factoring 50% takeup, means they want around 600 lines per cabinet to make it economic.

So at 8 cabs covering 800 houses, looks low density to BT.

I understand your logic, but just doesnt make sense as a reason around here, your original reason ie slight difference from the norm so ignored is the likely reason. Example being is a much newer estate that has far less houses than mine but in the post overlay days had a proper copper cab installed had its fibre chum installed.
Would they not just have one fibre cab for say both ex-tpon cabs, as they are about 10cm apart.

TPON has two splitters on the fibre, the last gives the Copper feed, I think the first is an 8 way fibre splitter, the last is a 32 way splitter to copper so the 'cabinets' are very small. Zarjaz or another Openreach member may be able to say where one is to obtain a picture.

However this is all irrelevant as when the fibre was bypassed to enable ADSL broadband it was usually direct from the exchange so there is no copper cab.

The good news it the Fibre is already to the 'close' (group of 24-30 houses) and therefore FTTP will be 'easy'. The TPON splitter can be replaced with a FTTP splitter and the whole close given FTTP especially if the premesis were correctly ducted.

In reply to a post by Rolandrat:

I understand your logic, but just doesnt make sense as a reason around here,

Economics 101. A low number of lines per cab makes it very difficult to ensure a realistic return on investment. Remember that BT are installing FTTC, at present, using their own funds and need to be able to justify their investment to their shareholders. Each FTTC cab costs many thousands of pounds so BT need a lot of connections to the cab for them to stand a chance of recovering their costs. As others have already said, keep your fingers crossed for FTTP as in your case that should be easier and quite possibly cheaper per customer to install.

Replacing TPON splitter would require those premises not on the copper overlay for the phone to have copper installed all the way back to the exchange.

Andrew
I think that all the TPON has already been replaced by copper, I thought I saw on here some years back a program to provide copper at all TPON sites and BT provided enough to remove the TPON completely.

The copper was provided directly from the exchange as this made the losses less as many TPON sites were a long way from the exchange..