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Standard User Rever
(newbie) Sun 11-Mar-12 23:33:08
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FTTC install?


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I am thinking of getting fibre, either BT Infinity or Plusnet, but before I make a decision I would like some advise on the install process.

My master socket is in the hall with no power sockets nearby. I have a phone extension hard wired into the base of the master plate. The extension socket is in the living room next to a single power socket where the phone base unit is currently plugged in.

A Couple of questions:

Can the engineer convert the phone extension socket into a master?

Do the modem and hub have to be plugged directly into power sockets or would it be ok to plug them into a 3 way extension lead (modem, hub, phone)?

Thanks
Standard User Squirrel
(knowledge is power) Sun 11-Mar-12 23:51:10
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My old ADSL only socket from a 2001 BT engineer install was converted to become my master and VDSL socket. The old master/ADSL socket downstairs became just a phone extension.

My VDSL power supply is plugged intio a 12way extension. My router is in a 6 way extension hanging off the 12 way one !!!!

I cannot see any problem with a 3 way extension lead smile

Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Sun 11-Mar-12 23:57:04
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The existing extension wiring may or may not be suitable. Who installed it, and have you any idea what the specification is? Does it have anyything like CW1308 printed on the cable?

Is it hidden behind walls or just attached to skirting boards and such?

The engineer can in any case install a Data Extension Lead from the master to your extension, (or elsewhere if you like), and put the modem at the current or new extension.

A decent engineer would convert the extension into a master, yes. Is the socket in the hall completely unnecessary, or would you need to be able to use it?

Yes, the modem, router and phone base station can all be connected into a 3-way power extension lead.

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Standard User Rever
(newbie) Mon 12-Mar-12 00:10:30
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In reply to a post by RobertoS:
The existing extension wiring may or may not be suitable. Who installed it, and have you any idea what the specification is? Does it have anyything like CW1308 printed on the cable?

Is it hidden behind walls or just attached to skirting boards and such?
Can't see anything printed on the cable. It is the flat type and I installed it.

I ran it along the bottom of the skirting, tucked down behind the carpet gripper rods. The run is approx 2mtrs.

A decent engineer would convert the extension into a master, yes. Is the socket in the hall completely unnecessary, or would you need to be able to use it?

The current location of the master is of no use.
Standard User Rever
(newbie) Mon 12-Mar-12 00:11:33
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In reply to a post by Squirrel:
My old ADSL only socket from a 2001 BT engineer install was converted to become my master and VDSL socket. The old master/ADSL socket downstairs became just a phone extension.

My VDSL power supply is plugged intio a 12way extension. My router is in a 6 way extension hanging off the 12 way one !!!!

I cannot see any problem with a 3 way extension lead smile
Thanks Squirrel
Standard User R0NSKI
(learned) Mon 12-Mar-12 10:30:54
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My master socket is also in the hall. All my adsl gear is in my server room about 3 meters from the master socket. I changed the lower section of the master socket for a filtered face plate, this from what I understand is the same as what BT will fit.

I've then run CAT5E cable from this face plate using the internal connections to sockets in my server room, one RJ45 and one phone socket.

From what others have said BT will not use my extension socket when they do the FTTC install, but I can just reconnect the wires afterwards.

You can still run your phone extension from the master socket.

Any question's just ask, I can also recommend Plusnet, I've been with them for nine years.
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Mon 12-Mar-12 10:35:02
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Flat types are usually unsuitable, as the non-twisted nature can cause havoc with VDSL2.

A data extension installed by engineer seems most likely.

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Standard User Rever
(newbie) Mon 12-Mar-12 20:31:53
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What type of cable and plugs do they use from the master to the modem and from the modem to the hub?
Standard User burakkucat
(committed) Mon 12-Mar-12 20:52:41
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What type of cable and plugs do they use from the master to the modem and from the modem to the hub?
(1) A VDSL2 cable with RJ11 plugs at each end.
(2) An Ethernet cable with RJ45 plugs at each end.

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Standard User kasg
(experienced) Mon 12-Mar-12 20:56:26
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(1) A VDSL2 cable with RJ11 plugs at each end.

VDSL2? It doesn't look any different from any other "modem" cable to me.

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Standard User burakkucat
(committed) Mon 12-Mar-12 21:24:33
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Openreach supply them, not me. Please discuss the terminology used with Openreach. tongue

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Standard User prinknash
(committed) Mon 12-Mar-12 21:41:11
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I had Infinity installed last week. I wanted the modem put on the wall just a fraction too far away from the master socket for the cable the Openreach guy had with him to stretch. So he immediately suggested I use the slightly longer cable I'd been using with my router which he saw lying on the table. He assured me it would be fine and so it has proved to be.

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Standard User R0NSKI
(learned) Mon 12-Mar-12 22:03:12
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I fully intend on using the same twisted pair RJ11 cable that I'm using now, I'm sure it'll be better than the supplied one.

Edit: IIRC it was this one, they also have longer ones too.

After removing my cheap and nasty cable from the master socket, replacing it with Cat5e and replacing the supplied modem cable with this one my ADSL speed improved. So hopefully it will be good with FTTC too.

Edited by R0NSKI (Mon 12-Mar-12 22:08:39)

Standard User jchamier
(knowledge is power) Mon 12-Mar-12 23:00:36
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In reply to a post by R0NSKI:
After removing my cheap and nasty cable from the master socket, replacing it with Cat5e and replacing the supplied modem cable with this one my ADSL speed improved. So hopefully it will be good with FTTC too.


Cat5e is equally as good as OpenReach supplied cable. What OpenReach need to rule out is the cheap and nasty extensions sold in the high street for voice only use. Most of the times these are not even twisted at all, never mind twisted correctly. At VDSL speeds this would be catastrophic.

James - be* pro - on THFB - sync about 17.2mbps - BQM
Moderator billford
(moderator) Mon 12-Mar-12 23:03:08
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The cable that BT supplied to connect my master socket to the VDSL modem was plain flat twin... currently running quite happily at nearly 70Mbps tongue

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Standard User jchamier
(knowledge is power) Mon 12-Mar-12 23:48:33
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In reply to a post by billford:
The cable that BT supplied to connect my master socket to the VDSL modem was plain flat twin... currently running quite happily at nearly 70Mbps tongue


Hmm; short distances then, for your definition of short smile

I'd be interested to see retry stats on both your cable and a properly twisted/terminated cable - but given we hardly get stats from Ethernet cards these days, I suspect that's impossible. smile

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Standard User nelix01
(committed) Tue 13-Mar-12 09:59:35
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Same here, running at a steady 75Mbpssmile
Standard User Rever
(newbie) Tue 13-Mar-12 19:20:44
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Just to summarise.

The master socket to modem cable is RJ11-RJ11.
The modem to hub cable is a standard cat5e network cable RJ45-RJ45.
From the hub to a wired PC is also a standard cat5e cable RJ45-RJ45.

Presumably a phone can still be plugged into the faceplate as well as the modem lead using an RJ11 adaptor.

Apologies for keep asking what are probably obvious questions, just want to get my head round the configuration.

Many thanks.
Standard User burakkucat
(committed) Tue 13-Mar-12 20:07:23
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Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Presumably a phone can still be plugged into the faceplate as well as the modem lead using an RJ11 adaptor.
Yes & no. The SSFP (service specific face plate) has a socket to take an RJ11 plug at the top and a socket to take a BT431a plug at the bottom. Hence the modem will be plugged in at the top and the telephone at the bottom. No adaptors are required. smile

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Standard User Rever
(newbie) Tue 13-Mar-12 20:44:40
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Excellent. Thanks for clarifying that.
Standard User burakkucat
(committed) Tue 13-Mar-12 21:05:16
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You're welcome.

Once you have your service installed, please open a thread and tell us how it proceeded, along with your "just installed" statistics.

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Standard User Rever
(newbie) Fri 27-Apr-12 19:15:05
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An update on this.

I went with BT and had Infinity installed this morning.

Prior to the engineer visit I replaced the flat cable phone extension from the master with hard wired cat5e and terminated it into an NTE5 splitter faceplate (used A & B) in the living room. I then routed another cat5e cable from the ADSL socket on the new plate and terminated the other end into a cat5e data faceplate in my conservatory where my PC is located (distance approx 10mtrs)

When the engineer arrived he was more than happy with my setup. I told him I don't use the master socket directly for the phone so he decided to crimp the cat5e that I had hard wired on 2 & 5 in the master onto the incoming phone line as he said it would be a better and more direct connection. He also mentioned that infinity doesn't like 2 capacitors in the line so by crimping directly onto the cat5e it would remove one of them. (There is already one in the NTE5 that I installed).

The new modem is plugged into the ADSL socket. My cat5e extension is plugged into Lan1. The home hub is connected to the data socket in the conservatory via the supplied red infinity lead and the PC via the other supplied lead from port 4.

All seems to be ok. On 40/10 and currently getting approx 36/6 although it does fluctuate quite a bit presumably whilst the line settles down.

One thing I have noticed. The 3 blue lights on the hub seem quite dimly lit compared to other routers. (I haven't got Power Save enabled)

Edited by Rever (Fri 27-Apr-12 19:19:08)

Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Fri 27-Apr-12 22:18:52
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If I read that right, the CAT5 from the living room to the conservatory has a plug at the living room end, so was easy to transfer from the NTE5 filtered faceplate to LAN1?

Sounds fine to me.

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Standard User Rever
(newbie) Fri 27-Apr-12 23:35:02
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The modem is in the living room and is connected via the NTE5 faceplate using the modem lead provided by BT.

I have a 10mtr CAT5 patch lead plugged into LAN1 on the modem and then I cut the plug off the other end in the conservatory and hard wired it into a data module plate. One end of the supplied 'red' infinitiy lead is plugged into the data socket and the other end to the hub.

I could have obviously plugged the 10mtr patch lead directly into the infinity side of the hub but I think it looks neater via a data socket. Just tidies it up rather than having the excess coiled up.
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