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Standard User Moradin
(regular) Wed 14-Mar-12 17:21:30
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Whenever people say ''xxx is enough for anyone'' i think back on the saying attributed to Bill Gates

''640k ram is the most people will need'' .

the more the better.

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Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Wed 14-Mar-12 17:31:54
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It's only a few years since the MD of Tiscali in the UK said that 2Mbps downstream sync was plenty.

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Standard User jchamier
(knowledge is power) Wed 14-Mar-12 19:04:42
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Re: 80/20 is coming!


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In reply to a post by Moradin:
Whenever people say ''xxx is enough for anyone'' i think back on the saying attributed to Bill Gates

''640k ram is the most people will need'' .

the more the better.


Glad you said "attributed" because as he said in an interview, he never actually said that. smile

James - be* pro - on THFB - sync about 17.2mbps - BQM


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Standard User Moradin
(regular) Wed 14-Mar-12 19:45:14
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Yes, im aware of the myth..

however, someone probably said it back then.

80-100 is a great speed for , i would say the next 4-6 years.

after that, we will have lots of streaming services on line, sending 1080p (at least), movies down the pipes.

as long as the infracstructure is set up to maintain it, it should happen. after that, much higher definition movies will come. at least (2500 vertical pixels i would guess.), and even more bandwidth will be needed.

As time goes on, storage space will move into the ''cloud''. everyone will stream everything, even
programs on your pc, will work remotely, and well.

so when you retire and your son tells you he's having a 10 TB connection put in.
Dont be surprised.

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Standard User jchamier
(knowledge is power) Wed 14-Mar-12 20:26:03
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Yes, im aware of the myth..
however, someone probably said it back then.


Agree smile There are a lot of these sayings which get attributed to the "techno lead of the day" and its pretty obvious why.

80-100 is a great speed for , i would say the next 4-6 years.

after that, we will have lots of streaming services on line, sending 1080p (at least), movies down the pipes.

as long as the infracstructure is set up to maintain it, it should happen. after that, much higher definition movies will come. at least (2500 vertical pixels i would guess.), and even more bandwidth will be needed.

As time goes on, storage space will move into the ''cloud''. everyone will stream everything, even
programs on your pc, will work remotely, and well.

so when you retire and your son tells you he's having a 10 TB connection put in.
Dont be surprised.


Agree 100% FTTC/FTTP are a good start.

Only 11 years ago I was using NTL cable modem at 512k/128k and most of my friends couldn't understand why I'd pay £150 for the modem or £50 install when they were happy with unmetered 33.6kbps with 2 hour cut off... smile

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Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Wed 14-Mar-12 21:48:05
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In reply to a post by Moradin:
Yes, im aware of the myth....
Agree smile There are a lot of these sayings which get attributed to the "techno lead of the day" and its pretty obvious why.
Unfortunately, although the words "attributed to" are present in this post, google isn't that intelligent and neither are most of the people who might therefore read it.

The post itself therefore contributes to the myth, and helps to make it self-evidently true.

Such is the power of the internet and google.

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Standard User jchamier
(knowledge is power) Wed 14-Mar-12 23:01:12
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Such is the power of the internet and google.


Or the assumptions people make when they read stuff on a computer screen.

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Standard User zyborg47
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 14-Mar-12 23:05:59
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At the speed technology is advancing, in 4 or 5 years time 10meg just won't cut it. When you will have more IPTV services broadcasting at 1080p standard, bandwidth requirements are only going to increase. WIthin 8 years I reckon you're going to have 4k resolution as a pretty mainstream standard, which will require even more bandwidth,


You type you as if you know what I am going to have in 8 years time or 4-5 years time? I am not talking about in years to come I am on about now. I can cope on the 4Megabits I got now most of the time, Netflix gives a good enough quality most of the time, certainly better than what our terrestrial digital TV service can offer. Come to something that a video service over a 4megabit connection can offer a better picture quality than a terrestrial TV service.

I think they fact they're rolling out a technology which is going to be pretty future proof is excellent. Can't be expected to roll out 10meg to some areas just because that's all customers want right now, they have to think ahead.

I am not saying they should.

I will say it again, well type it again.
If a ISp is going to charge more for a 80megabit service than their 40 megabit service, then that means the speed of fibre can be adjusted, so why not offer people a lower speed than 40 megabits for less money?

I would not mind a bit more speed, maybe for something like HD on You tube , but to be honest I don't think it is worth paying the extra for 40megabits I don't need or require. so I am more than likely to stay as I am.

Even when FTTC' limits are reached in years to come, the introduction of FTTP on demand pretty much means the next 20-30 years are not going to be a problem in terms of bandwidth availability given that FTTP is capable of 1Gbps...and that's today! Who knows what's to come.


20-30 years is a while yet, i tend not to look that far forward, come to think of it I tend not to look any further forward than a couple of weeks.

None of us may have any money to have the internet at that time or the net will so commercialised and controlled by this nanny state that it will not be worth using anyway.

Adrian

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On ADSL24 using C&W network.
Anonymous
(Unregistered)Wed 14-Mar-12 23:06:27
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Why do we want our local storage to be on the cloud?

The only people pushing these services and saying that they are the next generation are the same people selling cloud storage space.

If I want to access my files anywhere I stick them on my NAS and access that, and all other backups are done via external drives.

It seems very odd to have offsite backups when we don't need them.
Standard User zyborg47
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 14-Mar-12 23:12:43
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It's only a few years since the MD of Tiscali in the UK said that 2Mbps downstream sync was plenty.


For some people it may be, depends on what you want to use the net for. i know a household still on dial up, not because they can't get broadband, but because it does what they want and they don't see the point in paying a fixed price every month for something they use now and again. I had to replace their modem a few weeks back as theirs started to play up. thankfully dial up modems are easy to get still.


I know a few people who got 8megabits or more and most of them said they doubt they will bother with fibre.

for normal browsing 2megabits is fine, you will not notice a lot of difference by going super fast.

Adrian

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On ADSL24 using C&W network.
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