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Standard User lee111s
(regular) Mon 12-Mar-12 15:43:23
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80/20 is coming!


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http://www.openreach.co.uk/orpg/home/updates/briefin...
Anonymous
(Unregistered)Mon 12-Mar-12 16:07:21
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Good stuff. Looking at the openreach annual rental.....

40/02 £83
40/10 £89
40/15 £119
80/20 £119


Of course isp costs on top of that, but good to see the cost is only minimally more from BT at least.
Standard User ma9mwah
(regular) Mon 12-Mar-12 16:12:24
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seems strange that the 40/15 and 80/20 are the same price.


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Standard User Justo
(member) Mon 12-Mar-12 16:20:05
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TalkTalk have gone 80/20 too;

https://sales.talktalk.co.uk/products/broadband/fibr...

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Standard User LeJimster
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 12-Mar-12 16:32:25
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*deleted*

n/m, pointless rant about BT.. smile

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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Mon 12-Mar-12 16:55:39
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The pennies are omitted, so not exactly the same price.

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Standard User roboraver
(newbie) Mon 12-Mar-12 17:00:55
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I just went live today ! DOI, do you think we will need to finish out the 18 month contract before upgrading ?
Standard User maniac886
(member) Mon 12-Mar-12 17:01:00
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TalkTalk have gone 80/20 too;

https://sales.talktalk.co.uk/products/broadband/fibr...


That's a decent price actually, I am paying BT retail £41 for FTTC 40/10, line rental & unlimited anytime calls.

BT Infinity
300m to cabinet
37.7mbit down / 8 mbit up
Standard User maniac886
(member) Mon 12-Mar-12 17:06:33
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In reply to a post by Justo:
TalkTalk have gone 80/20 too;

https://sales.talktalk.co.uk/products/broadband/fibr...


Does anyone know how TT are sourcing the speed estimates? Their site says I can get 65.9/20 but the BT WBC checker hasn't been updated.

BT Infinity
300m to cabinet
37.7mbit down / 8 mbit up
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Mon 12-Mar-12 17:13:44
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From Openreach, where BT Wholesale get theirs, but guess the BT Wholesale one has not let fly with the speeds perhaps, or are you going via BT Retail and not realising it

Andrew Ferguson, [email protected]
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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Mon 12-Mar-12 17:14:37
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Very unlikely, it is more like a boost, but one you cannot remove unlike the other boosts.

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Standard User Justo
(member) Mon 12-Mar-12 17:14:58
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80/20 availability data was made live back in Jan when the profiles were all updated, I guess TT just added a 40meg cap to any results shown that they've now taken off and BTW haven't yet.

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Standard User Justo
(member) Mon 12-Mar-12 17:20:55
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I just went live today ! DOI, do you think we will need to finish out the 18 month contract before upgrading ?


Who with TalkTalk? If so then no, the contract will restart again with the new 80meg boost, but the 40meg boost is transferable as Mr S says.

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Edited by Justo (Mon 12-Mar-12 17:21:48)

Standard User roboraver
(newbie) Mon 12-Mar-12 17:27:52
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Sorry I am with BT Infinity unlimited, the engineer left about 30 mins ago !!
Standard User maniac886
(member) Mon 12-Mar-12 17:34:22
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Sorry I am with BT Infinity unlimited, the engineer left about 30 mins ago !!



BT retail are not offering this service yet so until they release the 80/20 package and terms no one will know.

BT Infinity
300m to cabinet
37.7mbit down / 8 mbit up
Standard User arfster
(knowledge is power) Mon 12-Mar-12 18:09:12
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I wonder when they'll lift the next cap, go up to 100 or 120. OK, only a small number of people will benefit there, but kinda silly to restrict it.

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Anonymous
(Unregistered)Mon 12-Mar-12 18:22:23
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There is some more information on the link below which also mentions the possibility of a FTTP 80/20 product variant.

We have introduced a large-scale volume offer which provides an 80/20 rental discount and 80/20 connection charge rebate over a two or three year period, depending on the contractual commitment made by eligible CPs. The offer applies to FTTC and could, in future, apply to an FTTP 80/20 product variant, if one is introduced.


http://www.openreach.co.uk/orpg/home/updates/briefin...
Standard User Alnath
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 12-Mar-12 19:05:01
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Mine showed 76.6 down and 20 up but given my max attainable is well over 120Mbit i found that a bit odd (unless it is showing the max profile)
Standard User lee111s
(regular) Mon 12-Mar-12 22:53:49
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The estimates are based on 90% of the ports in the cabinet being active.

As more VDSL circuits become active, crosstalk will bring down the sync rates.
Standard User jchamier
(knowledge is power) Mon 12-Mar-12 23:01:44
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In reply to a post by lee111s:
The estimates are based on 90% of the ports in the cabinet being active.
As more VDSL circuits become active, crosstalk will bring down the sync rates.


Unless all your neighbours are on Virgin Media. wink

James - be* pro - on THFB - sync about 17.2mbps - BQM
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Mon 12-Mar-12 23:55:31
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Good stuff. Looking at the openreach annual rental.....

40/02 £83
40/10 £89
40/15 £119
80/20 £119


Of course isp costs on top of that, but good to see the cost is only minimally more from BT at least.
The 40/15 price is a legacy product. It was withdrawn from new availability long ago.

So it's a £30pa jump.

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Standard User jchamier
(knowledge is power) Tue 13-Mar-12 00:01:25
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So it's a £30pa jump.


Or £2.50/month, which shows how small the OR section of the monthly fee being paid is given to OR.

James - be* pro - on THFB - sync about 17.2mbps - BQM
Standard User Alnath
(fountain of knowledge) Tue 13-Mar-12 10:04:39
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In reply to a post by lee111s:
The estimates are based on 90% of the ports in the cabinet being active.

As more VDSL circuits become active, crosstalk will bring down the sync rates.


Which i already knew and doesnt answer the question really.
Standard User lee111s
(regular) Tue 13-Mar-12 11:00:52
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In reply to a post by Alnath:
In reply to a post by lee111s:
The estimates are based on 90% of the ports in the cabinet being active.

As more VDSL circuits become active, crosstalk will bring down the sync rates.


Which i already knew and doesnt answer the question really.


Firsly you didn't ask a question.

Secondly, if you knew that, then it was a stupid post. There might only be 10% utilisation of the ports at the moment so the max sync rate, which is based on current noise levels, will be what it is, in your case over 120mbps. As time passes and ports fill up, more noise (crosstalk) will be introduced and this will reduce the maximum sync Ultimately, it's an ESTIMATION.
Standard User Bald_Eagle1
(member) Tue 13-Mar-12 12:11:57
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In reply to a post by lee111s:
There might only be 10% utilisation of the ports at the moment so the max sync rate, which is based on current noise levels, will be what it is, in your case over 120mbps. As time passes and ports fill up, more noise (crosstalk) will be introduced and this will reduce the maximum sync Ultimately, it's an ESTIMATION.


Is there any way for end users to measure the level of crosstalk?

If not, is there any way to get this detail either from an ISP or from BT?

Are there any symptoms of crosstalk, such as reduced output power etc. that can be detected from the OR modem's stats?

Finally, is crosstalk noise always at a constant level 24/7 (until another user is connected with a new FTTC service)?
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Tue 13-Mar-12 13:09:50
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Cross talk no - it is variable just like external RF noise.

it can be modelled, hence the checker estimates. With ADSL2+ it was generally minimal, and dont expect massive drops on VDSL2.

The 80 Meg limit is not the maximum for VDSL2 it can go further. The ANFP is the limiting factor again, but Vectoring is likely to meet ANFP and bring further enhancements.

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Standard User lee111s
(regular) Tue 13-Mar-12 13:42:02
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Indeed, I think VDLS 2 is capable up to 250meg.

Vectoring will be awesome when it's implemented as it pretty much makes crosstalk non existent.

There's also been trials of bonded VDSL2 lines giving 500meg at 400meters I believe.
Standard User zyborg47
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 13-Mar-12 14:23:20
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I f ISPs are charging more for 80Mbps , then why can't they offer a a speed lower than 40Mbps and charge less for that?


I would pay what I am paying now if a little more to get 10Mbps on fibre if it had a decent FUP. Considering that ADSL is up to 16/24Mbps depending on the provider.


A few people may not be able to afford the extra for fibre, and will be stuck with the slow speed they have got unless they are close to the exchange.

Adrian

Desktop machine now powered by windows 7 pro 64bit , laptop by ubuntu

On ADSL24 using C&W network.
Anonymous
(Unregistered)Tue 13-Mar-12 15:31:59
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Just off the phone with BT Retail sales team

The rep said, as far as he is ware, the BT Retail 80/20 will be an automatic upgrade from 40/10 for BT Infinity customers with no action needed by the customers to get the upgrade.

He did say however he had not officially been told what was happening
Standard User roboraver
(newbie) Tue 13-Mar-12 15:47:02
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I can't see that being the case (Wish it was) but if there is a charge that BT Retail have to pay Openreach for the extra speed then that will be passed onto use the consumers (Like TalkTalk is with their package).

Wish I am wrong though,
Standard User Justo
(member) Tue 13-Mar-12 15:58:48
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In reply to a post by Anonymous:
Just off the phone with BT Retail sales team

The rep said, as far as he is ware, the BT Retail 80/20 will be an automatic upgrade from 40/10 for BT Infinity customers with no action needed by the customers to get the upgrade.

He did say however he had not officially been told what was happening


Can't see this being the case as we know OR/BTW are charging more, so retail will pass it on.

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Standard User Justo
(member) Tue 13-Mar-12 16:03:04
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I would pay what I am paying now if a little more to get 10Mbps on fibre if it had a decent FUP. Considering that ADSL is up to 16/24Mbps depending on the provider.


I don't think you're alone as I was getting 1.5Mbps on ADSL and now get 37.5Mbps on fibre which is fabulous but I didn't need to go that fast, 10 or 20Mbps would have been transformational for me. However the cost in giving me fibre to do 10Mbps is likely the same (fibre, cabinet, power, install etc) as 40Mbps, so would I want to pay ~£10 a month to go from 1.5 to 10Mbps? not really.

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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Tue 13-Mar-12 16:10:26
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http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/i/5013.html

40/2 is £82.80 a year
80/20 is £119.40 a year (replaces the 40/15 product)

Don't see Openreach slicing the price much lower, as the per port costs will be kicking in. If it were to happen estimate around £55 a year for a 15/2 product.

The big BUT is that this undermines the purpose of the roll-out to which is to sell superfast services. With limited port capacity they will want to sell the higher priced products of course.

Andrew Ferguson, [email protected]
www.thinkbroadband.com - formerly known as ADSLguide.org.uk
The author of the above post is a thinkbroadband staff member. It may not constitute an official statement on behalf of thinkbroadband.
Standard User KayCee
(experienced) Tue 13-Mar-12 16:24:10
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Would be a good coup for BT seeing as the likes of TT have already stated they will charge more.

We can live in hope I guess !
Standard User TheManStan
(regular) Tue 13-Mar-12 17:04:03
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[re: lee111s] [link to this post]
 
http://www.networkextender.com/png/anfp1_11.pdf

This ANFP documnet states BT has frequencies up to 30Mhz accounted for (see page 8), which would be 30a which is currently the fastest live protocol that i know of. So the potential for awesome speeds is doable.

Edited by TheManStan (Tue 13-Mar-12 17:06:01)

Standard User lee111s
(regular) Tue 13-Mar-12 17:47:08
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In reply to a post by TheManStan:
http://www.networkextender.com/png/anfp1_11.pdf

This ANFP documnet states BT has frequencies up to 30Mhz accounted for (see page 8), which would be 30a which is currently the fastest live protocol that i know of. So the potential for awesome speeds is doable.


Indeed, but I don't think Ofcom have agreed for it to be used in the UK yet. I could be wrong though.
Administrator MrSaffron
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It is amazing enough that BT does not charge extra for Infinity versus equivalent package already. Adding an extra £3.05 a month to this loss making venture is likely to attract complaints of BT trying to distort the market.

Or put another way, have Openreach sell at a high price, which BT Retail then under cuts.

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Standard User zyborg47
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 13-Mar-12 18:57:37
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In reply to a post by Justo:
I don't think you're alone as I was getting 1.5Mbps on ADSL and now get 37.5Mbps on fibre which is fabulous but I didn't need to go that fast, 10 or 20Mbps would have been transformational for me. However the cost in giving me fibre to do 10Mbps is likely the same (fibre, cabinet, power, install etc) as 40Mbps, so would I want to pay ~£10 a month to go from 1.5 to 10Mbps? not really.


I remember when we first had ADSL here I was paying £40 a month, for half a megabit, it was great, hell of a difference to the old dial up system. the only reason I updated to ADSL at the time was because I had a lodger and the extra speed between us was great, plus at the time no more limits and cut off time.

i know things have changed now and most people could not cope with dial up, but I do know a couple who is still on dial up, their choice.

We do need more speed, but not all of us need 40 megabits and yet because we are a distance away from the exchange we have to pay extra for fibre to get extra speed.

If I had 8megabits, I would not even consider fibre.

Don't get me wrong, I am lucky to get the speed I get, but that is only because I am on a decent network and got myself a router that got a third party firmware that allows me to knock the SNR right down and for most things it is fine.

the only problem I have is playing Hd content.

Adrian

Desktop machine now powered by windows 7 pro 64bit , laptop by ubuntu

On ADSL24 using C&W network.
Standard User zyborg47
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 13-Mar-12 19:00:55
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[re: MrSaffron] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by MrSaffron:
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/i/5013.html

40/2 is £82.80 a year
80/20 is £119.40 a year (replaces the 40/15 product)

Don't see Openreach slicing the price much lower, as the per port costs will be kicking in. If it were to happen estimate around £55 a year for a 15/2 product.

The big BUT is that this undermines the purpose of the roll-out to which is to sell superfast services. With limited port capacity they will want to sell the higher priced products of course.



But not everyone wants to pay extra for superfast services, but still want a decent speed which they would get if they lived closer to the exchange.

I pay nearly £20 a month as it is, which is the same price as a mate of mine pays for the same network, but because he lives a few yards from the exchange he can get 16 megabits and I get over 4 with a bit of trickery. Not sure if I want to pay more just to get more speed.

a lower cost, slower fibre service would be idea.

Adrian

Desktop machine now powered by windows 7 pro 64bit , laptop by ubuntu

On ADSL24 using C&W network.
Standard User maniac886
(member) Tue 13-Mar-12 19:21:45
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In reply to a post by Anonymous:
Just off the phone with BT Retail sales team

The rep said, as far as he is ware, the BT Retail 80/20 will be an automatic upgrade from 40/10 for BT Infinity customers with no action needed by the customers to get the upgrade.

He did say however he had not officially been told what was happening


It will be interesting to see how BT Retail price the new 80/20 service considering Talk Talk's 80/20 plus package is already cheaper than the maximum 40/10 package offered by BT Retail.

BT Infinity
300m to cabinet
37.7mbit down / 8 mbit up
Standard User lee111s
(regular) Tue 13-Mar-12 21:23:16
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No pleasing some people is there?

BT spend billions rolling out superfast broadband but it's too fast for some! Never thought I'd hear that one I honestly didn't.

If they didn't upgrade your cabinet you'd be one of the first to blast them. Even 40 quid a month for 80meg is very cheap when you compare to how expensive broadband used to be.
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Tue 13-Mar-12 21:27:25
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No pleasing some people is there?
?
OTT?

What's wrong with maniac's post? I don't see the connection between what he said and your reply.

Where does he say anything is too fast, and TT is using Openreach GEA just like BT Wholesale, ergo BT Infinity?

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Edited by RobertoS (Tue 13-Mar-12 21:28:17)

Standard User jchamier
(knowledge is power) Tue 13-Mar-12 21:53:01
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What's wrong with maniac's post? I don't see the connection between what he said and your reply.


Sounds like confusion between Retail and OpenReach.

(I still think in eyes of the general public, OR need to ditch the small BT icon in their logo).

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Standard User Alnath
(fountain of knowledge) Tue 13-Mar-12 22:51:02
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[re: lee111s] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by lee111s:
In reply to a post by Alnath:
In reply to a post by lee111s:
The estimates are based on 90% of the ports in the cabinet being active.

As more VDSL circuits become active, crosstalk will bring down the sync rates.


Which i already knew and doesnt answer the question really.


Firsly you didn't ask a question.

Secondly, if you knew that, then it was a stupid post. There might only be 10% utilisation of the ports at the moment so the max sync rate, which is based on current noise levels, will be what it is, in your case over 120mbps. As time passes and ports fill up, more noise (crosstalk) will be introduced and this will reduce the maximum sync Ultimately, it's an ESTIMATION.


No need to be such a clever dick really old chap and keyboards are cheap so i would buy a new one given you appear to have a stuck caps lock key.

I would get the full 80Mbit even if the cab was full to the top of its little boots given its location to me and the fact it is only a small cab. When the cab was brand new my max attainable was 132Mbit, its now at 50%'ish capacity and its dropped by 10Mbit.

Given the checker previously said:

downstream line speed of 40Mbps and upstream line speed of 10Mbps

but now says

downstream line speed of 76.6Mbps and upstream line speed of 20Mbps

Was it so wrong of me to assume a profiled speed was being displayed?
Standard User ccxo
(committed) Tue 13-Mar-12 23:51:48
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The reply is to Zyborg i beleive, rather then maniac proably just hit reply on the bottom.

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Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Wed 14-Mar-12 00:13:50
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Good spot, thanks. Doesn't really excuse him though. He clearly isn't thick, and must know the Reply and linking system here.

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Standard User lee111s
(regular) Wed 14-Mar-12 08:27:32
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My bad, I should have quoted!
Standard User zyborg47
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 14-Mar-12 09:27:40
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No pleasing some people is there?

BT spend billions rolling out superfast broadband but it's too fast for some! Never thought I'd hear that one I honestly didn't.

If they didn't upgrade your cabinet you'd be one of the first to blast them. Even 40 quid a month for 80meg is very cheap when you compare to how expensive broadband used to be.


i be shocked if they do upgrade the cabinet, a lot of people I speak to don't even think FTTC will happen around here for another few years , but Bt said around june this year.


This is because we always get everything last here and people don't believe it when someone say they are going to do this or do that here. We was shocked when we had ADSL in 2000.

Anyway back to the speed thing, I would not mind a bit more speed, but I don't need anything the speed that fibre offers and I certainly don't want to pay extra just because I am in a part of the city where i can't get a fast ADSL connection.


Like these people in villages around here which can't get ADSL or a decent ADSL and have to pay extra for wire less internet to get something that many people think is needed these days.

I don't care how much BT spend, they charge enough to their customers, so they can afford it, anyway no doubt they will get some money from the government .

Adrian

Desktop machine now powered by windows 7 pro 64bit , laptop by ubuntu

On ADSL24 using C&W network.
Standard User lee111s
(regular) Wed 14-Mar-12 13:24:34
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At the speed technology is advancing, in 4 or 5 years time 10meg just won't cut it. When you will have more IPTV services broadcasting at 1080p standard, bandwidth requirements are only going to increase. WIthin 8 years I reckon you're going to have 4k resolution as a pretty mainstream standard, which will require even more bandwidth,

I think they fact they're rolling out a technology which is going to be pretty future proof is excellent. Can't be expected to roll out 10meg to some areas just because that's all customers want right now, they have to think ahead.

Even when FTTC' limits are reached in years to come, the introduction of FTTP on demand pretty much means the next 20-30 years are not going to be a problem in terms of bandwidth availability given that FTTP is capable of 1Gbps...and that's today! Who knows what's to come.
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I get 40/10 service at the minute and at first I thought it would be fast enough

But now, as a photographic student, I easily upload >1gb of data at a time (RAW image photographs) and i could use a faster connection for uploading

I think as speeds get faster customers will be doing more and more with their broadband, possibly unthinkable at the mo as what we will be doing in a few years

Yes i feel lucky to get Infinity compared to others, but when people say 10 meg will do them i tend to disagree - faster services open up a whole new sector to I.T. eg. downloading legitimate movies on your xbox live or ps3 (at 1gb per movie)
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Whenever people say ''xxx is enough for anyone'' i think back on the saying attributed to Bill Gates

''640k ram is the most people will need'' .

the more the better.

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(sensei) Wed 14-Mar-12 17:31:54
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It's only a few years since the MD of Tiscali in the UK said that 2Mbps downstream sync was plenty.

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Standard User jchamier
(knowledge is power) Wed 14-Mar-12 19:04:42
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Whenever people say ''xxx is enough for anyone'' i think back on the saying attributed to Bill Gates

''640k ram is the most people will need'' .

the more the better.


Glad you said "attributed" because as he said in an interview, he never actually said that. smile

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Yes, im aware of the myth..

however, someone probably said it back then.

80-100 is a great speed for , i would say the next 4-6 years.

after that, we will have lots of streaming services on line, sending 1080p (at least), movies down the pipes.

as long as the infracstructure is set up to maintain it, it should happen. after that, much higher definition movies will come. at least (2500 vertical pixels i would guess.), and even more bandwidth will be needed.

As time goes on, storage space will move into the ''cloud''. everyone will stream everything, even
programs on your pc, will work remotely, and well.

so when you retire and your son tells you he's having a 10 TB connection put in.
Dont be surprised.

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Yes, im aware of the myth..
however, someone probably said it back then.


Agree smile There are a lot of these sayings which get attributed to the "techno lead of the day" and its pretty obvious why.

80-100 is a great speed for , i would say the next 4-6 years.

after that, we will have lots of streaming services on line, sending 1080p (at least), movies down the pipes.

as long as the infracstructure is set up to maintain it, it should happen. after that, much higher definition movies will come. at least (2500 vertical pixels i would guess.), and even more bandwidth will be needed.

As time goes on, storage space will move into the ''cloud''. everyone will stream everything, even
programs on your pc, will work remotely, and well.

so when you retire and your son tells you he's having a 10 TB connection put in.
Dont be surprised.


Agree 100% FTTC/FTTP are a good start.

Only 11 years ago I was using NTL cable modem at 512k/128k and most of my friends couldn't understand why I'd pay £150 for the modem or £50 install when they were happy with unmetered 33.6kbps with 2 hour cut off... smile

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(sensei) Wed 14-Mar-12 21:48:05
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In reply to a post by Moradin:
Yes, im aware of the myth....
Agree smile There are a lot of these sayings which get attributed to the "techno lead of the day" and its pretty obvious why.
Unfortunately, although the words "attributed to" are present in this post, google isn't that intelligent and neither are most of the people who might therefore read it.

The post itself therefore contributes to the myth, and helps to make it self-evidently true.

Such is the power of the internet and google.

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(knowledge is power) Wed 14-Mar-12 23:01:12
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Such is the power of the internet and google.


Or the assumptions people make when they read stuff on a computer screen.

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At the speed technology is advancing, in 4 or 5 years time 10meg just won't cut it. When you will have more IPTV services broadcasting at 1080p standard, bandwidth requirements are only going to increase. WIthin 8 years I reckon you're going to have 4k resolution as a pretty mainstream standard, which will require even more bandwidth,


You type you as if you know what I am going to have in 8 years time or 4-5 years time? I am not talking about in years to come I am on about now. I can cope on the 4Megabits I got now most of the time, Netflix gives a good enough quality most of the time, certainly better than what our terrestrial digital TV service can offer. Come to something that a video service over a 4megabit connection can offer a better picture quality than a terrestrial TV service.

I think they fact they're rolling out a technology which is going to be pretty future proof is excellent. Can't be expected to roll out 10meg to some areas just because that's all customers want right now, they have to think ahead.

I am not saying they should.

I will say it again, well type it again.
If a ISp is going to charge more for a 80megabit service than their 40 megabit service, then that means the speed of fibre can be adjusted, so why not offer people a lower speed than 40 megabits for less money?

I would not mind a bit more speed, maybe for something like HD on You tube , but to be honest I don't think it is worth paying the extra for 40megabits I don't need or require. so I am more than likely to stay as I am.

Even when FTTC' limits are reached in years to come, the introduction of FTTP on demand pretty much means the next 20-30 years are not going to be a problem in terms of bandwidth availability given that FTTP is capable of 1Gbps...and that's today! Who knows what's to come.


20-30 years is a while yet, i tend not to look that far forward, come to think of it I tend not to look any further forward than a couple of weeks.

None of us may have any money to have the internet at that time or the net will so commercialised and controlled by this nanny state that it will not be worth using anyway.

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(Unregistered)Wed 14-Mar-12 23:06:27
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Why do we want our local storage to be on the cloud?

The only people pushing these services and saying that they are the next generation are the same people selling cloud storage space.

If I want to access my files anywhere I stick them on my NAS and access that, and all other backups are done via external drives.

It seems very odd to have offsite backups when we don't need them.
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(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 14-Mar-12 23:12:43
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It's only a few years since the MD of Tiscali in the UK said that 2Mbps downstream sync was plenty.


For some people it may be, depends on what you want to use the net for. i know a household still on dial up, not because they can't get broadband, but because it does what they want and they don't see the point in paying a fixed price every month for something they use now and again. I had to replace their modem a few weeks back as theirs started to play up. thankfully dial up modems are easy to get still.


I know a few people who got 8megabits or more and most of them said they doubt they will bother with fibre.

for normal browsing 2megabits is fine, you will not notice a lot of difference by going super fast.

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(regular) Wed 14-Mar-12 23:50:52
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I agree 2Mbps is fine for one browsing, but once someone else in the household starts browsing say FB and plays a flash game on there 2 Mbps doesn't cut it. We're quite lucky, OR decided that our village which is connected to the Cowley exchange in Oxford, would be included in the FTTC roll-out. So our 2.5 Mbps is now 37ish, which has introduced us to HD iplayer and HQ films off lovefilm.... and no arguments about bandwidth hogging between me and missus!

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(learned) Thu 15-Mar-12 03:00:00
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You might not need the fastest fibre speeds, but reading between the lines, it appears that you are, nevertheless, potentially a heavy user if you want to stream HD video.

Others have already pointed-out that there are fixed costs involved in the provision of a broadband connection, so charges don't vary much with speed (e.g., 80 Mbit/s won't be double the cost of 40 Mbit/s).

On the other hand, data volume is a significant component of cost, and if you want to sustain downloads at 8 Mbit/s, then that will generate a large volume. Only two hours per day equates to over 200 GByte per month - that's more than I use in some months on a 40 Mbit/s business plan with unlimited downloads.

If you're a driver, would you try using your line of argument when filling-up? What kind of reaction would you expect if you asked for a slower pump in order to reduce the cost of a full tank?
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TalkTalk have announced 80/20 will be a £15pm Boost over ADSL2+, compared with their £10pm one for 40/2.

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Thanks; that illustrates my point nicely. Then they charge £7.00/month for upgrading volume from 40 GByte/month to "unlimited" - but I imagine contention becomes the real limit at peak times.

Edited £7.50 -> £7.00 (assuming I've read the cost correctly this time).

Edited by DLS (Thu 15-Mar-12 10:08:19)

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I remember those days when I used to come home for school and hammer the 56k connection - going well over the subscribed limit whilst happily tying up the phone line. Upgrading to 512k always-on broadband literally changed my life.
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I know a few people who got 8megabits or more and most of them said they doubt they will bother with fibre.

for normal browsing 2megabits is fine, you will not notice a lot of difference by going super fast.


Fibre's a choice to pay more for more speed, if you're happy and able to get 8meg+ then I'd agree, don't bother with Fibre. To answer your question again around cheaper 15-20meg fibre, you appear not to have considered that the 40/2 offering may already be the cheapest price point OR could go down to before costs outweigh the revenue when rolling out a costly infrastructure.

An average cabinet costs in the order of £50k+ (could easily be higher) if you sign up the full 200 subscribers to it (assuming it's a double cab), then at £7 a month each that's currently 3 years before costs are covered. That's a heck of a time for someone like Openreach to start making money on their investments.

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Contention will vary from exchange to exchange, and will affect people the same way on a 40GB versus the unlimited, i.e. they run on the same links leaving an exchange.

LLU bandwidth is cheaper than 21CN.

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(regular) Thu 15-Mar-12 15:00:00
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We do need more speed, but not all of us need 40 megabits and yet because we are a distance away from the exchange we have to pay extra for fibre to get extra speed.


It costs the communication provider more to give you access to the internet when you're further away from the exchange, most of this is sunk cost but it's still cost none the less.

When Fibre is deployed that again costs more the further away from the exchange the cabinet is deployed (on average, obviously there will be exceptions).
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(learned) Thu 15-Mar-12 17:46:55
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Why do we want our local storage to be on the cloud?

The only people pushing these services and saying that they are the next generation are the same people selling cloud storage space.

If I want to access my files anywhere I stick them on my NAS and access that, and all other backups are done via external drives.

It seems very odd to have offsite backups when we don't need them.


The thing i am looking forward to most is off site backup!!!

Your comments are a bit narrow minded i would say. I, like a lot of users now have a large and even increasing amount of data. Even through identifying non critical data and not including that in my off site backup, I still have 3.5 TB of data that i must backup.

Purchasing and maintaining an additional storage solution for backing this up (e.g a 3.5 TB RAID5) is extremely expensive, and still doesn't keep you data safe if there is a fire.

Off-site back costs £30 per year with unlimited storage with Carbonite. I think that is unbelievably good value in comparison to the NAS I just sold (which in itself would pay for a quarter of a century of unlimited backup if price/policy doesnít change!!!).

Also, to keep this relevant to the topic - Off-site backup capacity is directly related to the upload speed, because if the volume of data created in each cycle exceeds the upload rate in that same cycle then (e.g 10 Mbit/s ~ 108 gb per day max, without any overheads etc.).

So for those who posted above who donít think the speed increase is relevant to them - Donít just think about yourself!! Think about what the improvements to the digital infrastructure can have on industry, jobs and the economy.



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(member) Thu 15-Mar-12 20:24:32
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mcompton69 has it bang on.

speed and storage, are kind of interchangable.

In the future, (you could do it now with the right set up, nps).. what about a complete save of your pc state

get a virus or something, fine. Quick wipe and reinstall.

hell, if manufacturers get their act together, why not a restore of the pc state from the bios...... ?

the possibilities are endless.

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OS lite I am sure will appear, as in all data we have will be stored in a wallet online, and available from anywhere.

Remember even those using a NAS at home, have potential for external access to it.

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(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 15-Mar-12 21:23:50
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I agree 2Mbps is fine for one browsing, but once someone else in the household starts browsing say FB and plays a flash game on there 2 Mbps doesn't cut it. We're quite lucky, OR decided that our village which is connected to the Cowley exchange in Oxford, would be included in the FTTC roll-out. So our 2.5 Mbps is now 37ish, which has introduced us to HD iplayer and HQ films off lovefilm.... and no arguments about bandwidth hogging between me and missus!


I can understand the need for more speed if there are a few people in the building, be it flat, house or what ever. there is only one person that lives here and that is me, which is why I don't see the need for 40 megabits.

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(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 15-Mar-12 21:30:06
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You might not need the fastest fibre speeds, but reading between the lines, it appears that you are, nevertheless, potentially a heavy user if you want to stream HD video.

Others have already pointed-out that there are fixed costs involved in the provision of a broadband connection, so charges don't vary much with speed (e.g., 80 Mbit/s won't be double the cost of 40 Mbit/s).

On the other hand, data volume is a significant component of cost, and if you want to sustain downloads at 8 Mbit/s, then that will generate a large volume. Only two hours per day equates to over 200 GByte per month - that's more than I use in some months on a 40 Mbit/s business plan with unlimited downloads.


Then is it not about time that ISPs and Bt wholesale decided what the hell they are charging us for?

Maybe it is time we went to a metered broadband, pay for the data you use. I am getting fed up of paying the same amount as someone closer to town who can get a faster speed just because they live a bit closer to the exchange.

If you're a driver, would you try using your line of argument when filling-up? What kind of reaction would you expect if you asked for a slower pump in order to reduce the cost of a full tank?


Nope, that don't work out. Maybe you should use road tax, My Dad pay the same road tax for his car which is used about once a week, as the person next door as long as the car is the same size who uses his car every day, yet the person next door cause more damage to the road surface.


That probably don't work either, but better than your fuel idea.

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(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 15-Mar-12 21:35:55
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I remember those days when I used to come home for school and hammer the 56k connection - going well over the subscribed limit whilst happily tying up the phone line. Upgrading to 512k always-on broadband literally changed my life.
I would not say it changed my life, it did make things easier since there was two of use using two computers at the same time.

I had a older computer in my bedroom with the Bt modem attached and via co-ax network I had mine and my lodgers computer connected to it and use internet connection sharing. Not even sure if routers for the home user existed than.

Used that set with dial up and then just replaced the dial up modem with the Frog when we went broadband.

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(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 15-Mar-12 21:41:51
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Fibre's a choice to pay more for more speed, if you're happy and able to get 8meg+ then I'd agree, don't bother with Fibre.


If i was able to get 8 Megabits i would be in my element.
To answer your question again around cheaper 15-20meg fibre, you appear not to have considered that the 40/2 offering may already be the cheapest price point OR could go down to before costs outweigh the revenue when rolling out a costly infrastructure.

An average cabinet costs in the order of £50k+ (could easily be higher) if you sign up the full 200 subscribers to it (assuming it's a double cab), then at £7 a month each that's currently 3 years before costs are covered. That's a heck of a time for someone like Openreach to start making money on their investments.



You could be right, but that don't help people who have a slow speed because of the distance they are from the exchange and have to pay ,more just to get a decent speed.

I wonder how long it will be before Bt at least stop doing normal ADSL in areas which are fibre enabled? I think other ISPs, certaijn,y the ones with their own LLU services will happy to keep people for as long as possible, on ADSL.

Well I got at least four months until the date for fibre here comes around, i doubt it will happen then anyway. I got plenty of time to make up my mind what I am going to do.
But by the looks of it I think I may be staying as I am.

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The thing i am looking forward to most is off site backup!!!

Your comments are a bit narrow minded i would say. I, like a lot of users now have a large and even increasing amount of data. Even through identifying non critical data and not including that in my off site backup, I still have 3.5 TB of data that i must backup.

Purchasing and maintaining an additional storage solution for backing this up (e.g a 3.5 TB RAID5) is extremely expensive, and still doesn't keep you data safe if there is a fire.

Off-site back costs £30 per year with unlimited storage with Carbonite. I think that is unbelievably good value in comparison to the NAS I just sold (which in itself would pay for a quarter of a century of unlimited backup if price/policy doesnít change!!!).
[/quote]


All this cloud stuff is fine as long as you can get at the data, but what happens if the internet goes down, you can't get a connection, the company that have all your data goes under or and this have happened to someone I know, the service you are using have a major problem and also have problems with backups?

Ok it was only a website, the host had a problem, went to put everything back on via the back ups and that did not work.

Also, to keep this relevant to the topic - Off-site backup capacity is directly related to the upload speed, because if the volume of data created in each cycle exceeds the upload rate in that same cycle then (e.g 10 Mbit/s ~ 108 gb per day max, without any overheads etc.).
So for those who posted above who donít think the speed increase is relevant to them - Donít just think about yourself!! Think about what the improvements to the digital infrastructure can have on industry, jobs and the economy.



you mean think of more way that we can be ripped off?


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OS lite I am sure will appear, as in all data we have will be stored in a wallet online, and available from anywhere.


Until something goes wrong and then that is it.
Not for me, something i will store online, but rely on it, nope.

Remember even those using a NAS at home, have potential for external access to it.


Again, until something goes wrong. i can acess my NAS over the net, I only done it once mind you, but again no good if the net is not working.

I feel we are going to rely on this cloud thing too much, it will go pop one day and the whole country will come to a stand still

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(learned) Thu 15-Mar-12 22:08:56
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Pricing is based on some mixture of fixed costs and downloads. It seems to me that there is a fair amount of choice in price, depending on your requirements. If you don't want to download much, go for one of the low-cost options with a download limit. Alternatively you could look at someone like Andrews & Arnold where you can pay according to download volume. Of course, you can also just stick to what you have right now.

You keep telling us that you would be happy with a speed of 8 Mbit/s; you haven't told us how much you want to download each month, so perhaps you'd like to clarify that. As I've already indicated, even with a low bandwidth you can consume a lot of network capacity. If you want to stream a lot, then you have to be prepared to pay for it, full stop.

Your road tax analogy is fallacious; the next door neighbour who uses a car more than your Dad does is also paying a lot more tax given that the great majority of the cost of fuel at the pump is tax.
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Pricing is based on some mixture of fixed costs and downloads. It seems to me that there is a fair amount of choice in price, depending on your requirements. If you don't want to download much, go for one of the low-cost options with a download limit. Alternatively you could look at someone like Andrews & Arnold where you can pay according to download volume. Of course, you can also just stick to what you have right now.


There is a bit of choice in the market, sadly not as much as their used to be, with companies like Talk Talk and trying to buy up any ISp they can. i used to like Metronet, pay a minimal amount per month and get a certain amount of data free and then when that is used you pay a certain amount per GB after .

The closest that comes to that as far as I know now is some packages ADSL24 offers.
andrew and Arnold prices are way over the top, I am surprised they still going, I suppose they are not really for the home user.


You keep telling us that you would be happy with a speed of 8 Mbit/s; you haven't told us how much you want to download each month, so perhaps you'd like to clarify that. As I've already indicated, even with a low bandwidth you can consume a lot of network capacity. If you want to stream a lot, then you have to be prepared to pay for it, full stop.



Over the last 6 months

This is my usage

Feb 2012 103.412 GB
Jan 2012 73.550 GB
Dec 2011 19.001 GB
Nov 2011 30.577 GB
Oct 2011 11.615 GB
Sep 2011 56.676 GB


Thi9s month so far is 32.981 GB.

i got no idea why February is so high, I expected a rise around January as i started to use Netflix. i think this month will end about 60-65Gb which is a lot less than some people.
Your road tax analogy is fallacious; the next door neighbour who uses a car more than your Dad does is also paying a lot more tax given that the great majority of the cost of fuel at the pump is tax.


Maybe, but the petrol analogy was no better.

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Standard User Justo
(member) Fri 16-Mar-12 11:30:09
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Over the last 6 months

This is my usage

Feb 2012 103.412 GB
Jan 2012 73.550 GB
Dec 2011 19.001 GB
Nov 2011 30.577 GB
Oct 2011 11.615 GB
Sep 2011 56.676 GB


Thi9s month so far is 32.981 GB.


I'd say by all accounts you're a heavy data user so I wouldn't be wishing for a pay as you go style approach too soon.

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Standard User epyon
(committed) Fri 16-Mar-12 12:19:48
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Feb 2012 258 GB
Jan 2012 192 GB
Dec 2011 208 GB
Nov 2011 121 GB
Oct 2011 177 GB
Sep 2011 334 GB

Pay as you go? No thanks lol

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Standard User roboraver
(newbie) Fri 16-Mar-12 14:02:51
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You must have wrists like tree trunks !!!

I could never know what to download, let alone over 100gb worth !!

Are you streaming HD programs ?
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Lots of streaming by the gf but i do download lots of flac music and OSes/games via steam ect

so when i reinstall my pc sometimes i hit 600GB when i redownload my steam catalog lol

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Standard User ccxo
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Why not just use a external hard drive and copy your steam catalog over, saves alot on downloading.

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Standard User BuckleZ
(fountain of knowledge) Fri 16-Mar-12 15:02:09
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Storage space costs money, re-downloading doesn't cost if you have unlimited.

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(regular) Fri 16-Mar-12 18:46:06
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"This is my usage

Feb 2012 103.412 GB
Jan 2012 73.550 GB
Dec 2011 19.001 GB
Nov 2011 30.577 GB
Oct 2011 11.615 GB
Sep 2011 56.676 GB


Thi9s month so far is 32.981 GB."


Although not as big as some, those numbers indicate a fairly heavy user, given that you only have 2 Mbit/s; the February number is equivalent to downloading flat-out for nearly four hours every day. I suspect that on 8 Mbit/s you might use a bit more, and that would certainly require an unlimited plan.

Again, my fuel analogy is relevant; you're asking for a full tank, but want to pay less for it by using a slower pump. That's unlikely to win a lot of sympathy, particularly from people who might be paying be paying for full speed but don't generate as much download traffic as you.

I can understand your irritation at having a low bandwidth because you're far from the exchange; that's the luck (or otherwise) of the draw. FTTC is a bit more democratic because the cabinets are more widely distributed.
Standard User zyborg47
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 16-Mar-12 21:55:53
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In reply to a post by zyborg47:
Over the last 6 months

This is my usage

Feb 2012 103.412 GB
Jan 2012 73.550 GB
Dec 2011 19.001 GB
Nov 2011 30.577 GB
Oct 2011 11.615 GB
Sep 2011 56.676 GB


Thi9s month so far is 32.981 GB.


I'd say by all accounts you're a heavy data user so I wouldn't be wishing for a pay as you go style approach too soon.


Feb is a bit heavy, but the others are not. True maybe the Metronet idea would not work for me now, at the time it worked fine.

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Standard User zyborg47
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 16-Mar-12 22:05:15
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Although not as big as some, those numbers indicate a fairly heavy user, given that you only have 2 Mbit/s; the February number is equivalent to downloading flat-out for nearly four hours every day. I suspect that on 8 Mbit/s you might use a bit more, and that would certainly require an unlimited plan.


2Mbit/s? I get a bit more than that, just over 4 the last time I looked. the February data is a bit high, but I did download a few different Linux ISOs and also at the end windows 8.

My complaint was not so much how much I download but speed. a easy way to make more money is by selling people more speed than they really need.

Again, my fuel analogy is relevant; you're asking for a full tank, but want to pay less for it by using a slower pump. That's unlikely to win a lot of sympathy, particularly from people who might be paying be paying for full speed but don't generate as much download traffic as you.


A slower pump will take longer to fill the tank, but you still drive away with the same amount. I suppose that could be true with broadband, but the difference between 8 and 40 is huge, so someone on a 40Mbit/s service could use a lot more data than someone on say a 8.
I can understand your irritation at having a low bandwidth because you're far from the exchange; that's the luck (or otherwise) of the draw.


It is not just distance, the problem here is that Bt could not be bothered to re-route the cables after they closed the old exchange, so our cables go around in circles for no reason at all.

All we get form Bt is that it would cost too much, this is the problem with having a private company rolling out a network, it is all about profit.

FTTC is a bit more democratic because the cabinets are more widely distributed.


And more expensive.

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Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Fri 16-Mar-12 23:19:55
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FTTC is a bit more democratic because the cabinets are more widely distributed.
And more expensive.
BT Total Broadband, (ADSLx) and BT Infinity are virtually the same monthly price.

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You must have wrists like tree trunks !!!


Ha ha ha ha ha LMFAO!



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Standard User epyon
(committed) Sun 18-Mar-12 14:58:07
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The funny thing is i actually do :L

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Standard User Croftie
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Sorry to bring the discussion out of the gutter laugh..

Just seen this link posted on BT's forum: http://www.evenfaster.bt.com/

Looks like they will be charging extra:

We'll be announcing prices for the new speeds soon.
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(sensei) Mon 26-Mar-12 17:42:20
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Over the last two years, BT Infinity has changed the face of broadband in the UK by giving our customers speeds four times faster than the UK average. And more and more people can get it every day ....
That's a nonsense statement.

Every day, the average gets higher. So it either started off far more than four times the UK average, or at some point, possibly already, the statement becomes untrue. tongue

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Their is two parts to that statement

Over the last two years, BT Infinity has changed the face of broadband in the UK by giving our customers speeds four times faster than the UK average.

And more and more people can get it every day Ė we're on track to reach 10 million premises in 2012, and two thirds of the UK by the end of 2014.

Second part is about availability increasing everyday.

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(sensei) Mon 26-Mar-12 21:15:30
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Increased availability implies increased uptake. Increased uptake validates my previous assertion smile. That was my point, that in the quote the second statement potentially invalidates the first.

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Standard User simon194
(learned) Tue 27-Mar-12 14:17:32
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In reply to a post by Anonymous:
Just off the phone with BT Retail sales team

The rep said, as far as he is ware, the BT Retail 80/20 will be an automatic upgrade from 40/10 for BT Infinity customers with no action needed by the customers to get the upgrade.

He did say however he had not officially been told what was happening


Can't see this being the case as we know OR/BTW are charging more, so retail will pass it on.

What they probably mean is that it will be available automatically because I can't see BT changing the profile on demand, not that it need changing because VDSL2 Profile 17a has already been rolled out in most areas.
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(learned) Tue 27-Mar-12 14:30:14
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I wonder when they'll lift the next cap, go up to 100 or 120. OK, only a small number of people will benefit there, but kinda silly to restrict it.

They will probably take it up to 100Mbps as the fastest FTTC product then FTTP/ "FTTP on Demand" for 110Mbps and up.
Standard User TheManStan
(regular) Wed 28-Mar-12 11:07:29
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Can we assume the TalkTalk checker being based on the OR data, is going to give the same underestimated speeds as before?

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Can we assume the TalkTalk checker being based on the OR data, is going to give the same underestimated speeds as before?


Depends if you are already a fibre TT customer. It appears that if you are the checker gives very accurate results, probably based on known attainable rates. Easy way is to check your modem stats if you are in Fibre already.

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Standard User creakycopperline
(learned) Sat 31-Mar-12 21:45:01
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No pleasing some people is there?

BT spend billions rolling out superfast broadband but it's too fast for some! Never thought I'd hear that one I honestly didn't.

If they didn't upgrade your cabinet you'd be one of the first to blast them. Even 40 quid a month for 80meg is very cheap when you compare to how expensive broadband used to be.


Hmm reminds me of that advert, (can't remember who it was for, but it consisted of a bloke who wanted to pay more for a less powerfull lightbulb. automatic migration to 80/20 would be awesome, they are planning on srarting on my cabinet on the 3rd april, according to my local council's roadworks planning sheet. when signed up to BT in january he told me i would be transferred over automatically.

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Standard User TheManStan
(regular) Sat 31-Mar-12 22:21:27
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That only works Huawei modems, were all ECI where i am blush(

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(sensei) Sat 31-Mar-12 23:57:40
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Automatic migration to 80/20 would be awesome, they are planning on srarting on my cabinet on the 3rd april, according to my local council's roadworks planning sheet. when signed up to BT in january he told me i would be transferred over automatically.
No-one gets upgraded automatically from ADSL2+ to FTTC.

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Standard User hoopla
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must know the Reply and linking system here.
Well, perhaps, yes, but I for one would expect the "Reply" and "Quote" buttons to be at the bottom of a post, not the top. As a result, it is easy to reply to the preceding message by mistake.
Standard User Colin_London
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So it's 10th April today and the product is officially available from Openreach.

Any of the resellers offering a fully commercial (non-trial) GEA-FTTC 80/20 service to the general public for order yet?
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(sensei) Tue 10-Apr-12 22:19:21
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Try accessing the bigger websites at 00.03 hours tonight smile.

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(newbie) Tue 10-Apr-12 22:25:33
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RobertoS I will personally hold you responsible if any of the "bigger websites" are not updated by 00.05 tomorrow as I have just had 3 x expresso shots in a row !!
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(newbie) Tue 10-Apr-12 22:29:27
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RobertoS I will personally hold you responsible if any of the "bigger websites" are not updated by 00.05 tomorrow as I have just had 3 x expresso shots in a row !!


ha ha ha ha ha ha

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Standard User charles1
(learned) Tue 10-Apr-12 22:36:24
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AAISP are offering 80/20 as a £12 Premium add-on

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We're still finalising our products so won't be launching the 80/20 tomorrow. It's not as simple as a small extra charge like Openreach charge, but more about the network / capacity side of thinks as a few hundred people on an 80Mb service can easily eat away at the capacity on a network so it will costs ISP's more than the few quid per month Openreach charge us! There is a lot more to take in to account... bandwidth costs will be a big issue with the 80/20 service as a LOT more will be required, e.g. 5 user on 80Mb would be the equivalent of 80 users on a 5Mb ADSL connection, therefore lots more bandwidth required to ensure all is OK.

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The above post has been made by an ISP REPRESENTATIVE (although not necessarily the ISP being discussed in the post).
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(sensei) Tue 10-Apr-12 22:40:10
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Not conclusive, as that appears to have been there last month. On the page you linked to we have:-
Some existing customers with service before April 2012 may be on capped rates of 40/2 or 40/10, with or without the premium option. The pricing depends on whether you have the premium option, and not the line speed. For a one-off fee, customers can change to the new cap for their service (40/10 standard and 80/20 premium) but this restarts the 12 month minimum term on the service when you do this. Contact sales for more details.


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Standard User arfster
(knowledge is power) Wed 11-Apr-12 00:27:34
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BT wholesale dsl checker has been updated.

"Our test also indicates that your line currently supports a fibre technology with an estimated WBC FTTC Broadband where consumers have received downstream line speed of 80Mbps and upstream line speed of 20Mbps."

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Good spot smile.
an estimated WBC FTTC Broadband where consumers have received downstream line speed of 51.7Mbps and upstream line speed of 13.2Mbps.
That's at 600 metres from the cabinet.

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Standard User fowler002
(regular) Wed 11-Apr-12 01:21:24
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Good spot smile.
an estimated WBC FTTC Broadband where consumers have received downstream line speed of 51.7Mbps and upstream line speed of 13.2Mbps.
That's at 600 metres from the cabinet.


I just checked and got the same result as you, no idea how far I'm away from the cab tho. I know of 2 green cabs near me tho not sure which of the 2 has been updated to fttc or if there is/ae others I've not seen.

for the past nearly 9years have been stuck on 512kbs-2.5mb adsl/adsl2, only llu until recently has been talktalk with sky becoming available recently with the 21cn update and fttc.

would already have ordered the 40/10(40/2) but have to see through the current month on adsl24(asked for the mac on 2nd april, only found out fttc was available a few days prior). been trying to decide between sky and bt as per my thread 12 days ago.

Edited by fowler002 (Wed 11-Apr-12 01:28:48)

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I think that the checker allows for a certain degree of crosstalk, hence the underestimated speeds it gives.

>400m = 59.4 Mbps

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Anyone been upgraded yet?
Standard User jrrhoofnest
(newbie) Wed 11-Apr-12 12:41:12
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I'm about seventy yards from the cabinet and the result is 71.1 download and 20 upload.
Standard User nelix01
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I'm just over 100 Meters from the CAB and getting a result of:

Our test also indicates that your line currently supports a fibre technology with an estimated WBC FTTC Broadband where consumers have received downstream line speed of 69.6Mbps and upstream line speed of 20Mbps.

In reality I am already on the 80/20 FTTC product, connected at full 80/20 sync and getting a steady throughput of around 75Mbps when checked on the BT Beta Speedtester. Other testers tend to give varying results.
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Im about 250 -300 metres from the cabinet and I get the following:

Our test also indicates that your line currently supports a fibre technology with an estimated WBC FTTC Broadband where consumers have received downstream line speed of 65.9Mbps and upstream line speed of 20Mbps

BT Infinity
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37.7mbit down / 8 mbit up
Standard User nalla
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hmm mine says estimate of 29,bps but i get 35-36, so i doubt ill see any difference.
Standard User stubert
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I get this -
Our test also indicates that your line currently supports a fibre technology with an estimated WBC FTTC Broadband where consumers have received downstream line speed of 20.9Mbps and upstream line speed of 5Mbps.
Currently getting just short of 37Mbps down and 6Mbps up so again no point in signing up until 30a profile comes along.

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Standard User fowler002
(regular) Wed 11-Apr-12 15:33:24
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Anyone been upgraded yet?


the upgrade is from tomorrow.
Standard User kasg
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My estimate is 58.1 at about 400m from the cabinet (best guess assuming the wires don't do anything stupid). I'm actually getting around 59 so it seems pretty accurate (although I started off at over 70 before the DLM did its nasty work!)

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Edited by kasg (Wed 11-Apr-12 17:46:41)

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Yes, the checker is showing virtually my attainables so it looks like it's now very accurate.

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Standard User TheHorseman
(knowledge is power) Wed 11-Apr-12 17:17:52
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For me the checker is showing 61/20, however the modem max rates are 100/34. So I guess I'll get max sync.
I'm around 100m from the cab straight line but the cable distance looks to be around 300m.

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Standard User kasg
(experienced) Wed 11-Apr-12 17:45:14
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For me the checker is showing 61/20, however the modem max rates are 100/34. So I guess I'll get max sync.
I'm around 100m from the cab straight line but the cable distance looks to be around 300m.
Not sure - my modem shows maximum attainable as anywhere between just over 70 and just over 80. I actually sync in the low to mid 60s.

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(experienced) Wed 11-Apr-12 18:45:21
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Has anyone else noticed no real change on the availability checker ?

Im currently getting 37.5/8.5 and the BT checker says I should be able to get 41/6 ??
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(knowledge is power) Wed 11-Apr-12 19:06:31
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The max rates on my modem only change by +/- 1Mbit. I'll soon know as I shall be signing up for the 80/20 as soon as I can tomorrow. I wonder how long it will take, as it is only a profile change.

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I'm about 100m from the cab and get the full 80/20 sync.

Speedtests come in at a max of about 75down and 16up.

Newsgroups clip 10MB/s.
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(knowledge is power) Thu 12-Apr-12 09:53:29
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I signed up this morning and it is due to complete tomorrow (upto midnight). So I'll soon know.

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Standard User nathant1985
(newbie) Thu 12-Apr-12 11:51:27
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for me the checker says;

Our test also indicates that your line currently supports a fibre technology with an estimated WBC FTTC Broadband where consumers have received downstream line speed of 40.2Mbps and upstream line speed of 6.1Mbps.


Should i go for infinity 80/20 or the 40/10?

EDIT: Currently with Be and they say i should be getting 7mb with their LLU, but i'm getting around 15mb.

Edited by nathant1985 (Thu 12-Apr-12 11:54:27)

Standard User MHC
(legend) Thu 12-Apr-12 12:05:12
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Based on te BT estimate - they are improving, go for 40/10 and then with an unlocked modem see what it will achieve. If you like the numbers you see, then regrade - yes it might lengthen the contract by a week or two, but is that an issue?


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Standard User DLS
(regular) Thu 12-Apr-12 12:45:39
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an estimated WBC FTTC Broadband where consumers have received downstream line speed of 51.7Mbps and upstream line speed of 13.2Mbps.


Snap - again! I'm mildly curious to know the parameters and model they use.

Just checked the web portal but there's no sign of any option to upgrade the business product yet; they're busy pushing paper-free billing.
Standard User lockyatlrg
(fountain of knowledge) Thu 12-Apr-12 12:48:30
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My estimate is 61mbs down and 20 up, Yet my attainable rate is now 95mb and 34 mb, this is on a full cab too.

BT Infinity
ROUTER:-Netgear WNDR37AV
JDSU Stats
Attainable 97040D 35659U
Sync 39999D 9995U
Attenuation: 9.6 SNR: 22.6
Line Length 300meters
Standard User Paul_H
(learned) Thu 12-Apr-12 12:50:25
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If it is a new install or migration to BT then you only have 2 options according to their website
1/ If you want the cheaper £18 pm with 40Gb download limit you get 40\20
2/ The £26 option with Unlimited downloads comes with 80\20

You only get the option to upgrade if you already have BT Infinity installed.
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(member) Thu 12-Apr-12 12:51:02
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for me the checker says;

Our test also indicates that your line currently supports a fibre technology with an estimated WBC FTTC Broadband where consumers have received downstream line speed of 40.2Mbps and upstream line speed of 6.1Mbps.


Should i go for infinity 80/20 or the 40/10?

EDIT: Currently with Be and they say i should be getting 7mb with their LLU, but i'm getting around 15mb.


I'd say go for 40/10 - you're unlikely to see much above 40 even if the checker is being cautious. At the end of the day are you going to see a difference between 40 and 50 that you can make a real use of?

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Standard User nathant1985
(newbie) Thu 12-Apr-12 13:36:30
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didn't think about that, i was wanting the unlimited option so i guess the 80/20 it is!

thanks!
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