Hyperoptic Hyperhub

Hi all,

I've ordered Hyperoptic broadband which will hopefully be connected to my building in the next month. It's the 100mbs service and I want to make sure I make full use of it!

I'm wondering whether anyone has any details on the Hyperhub that comes with the service? I've not had a great experience with wifi so far, or networking over the mains so I'd like to know whether it has dual band wireless 5Ghz as well as 2.4.

I'm also interested in it's settings, such as the ability to port forward and so on.

Or am I best ordering something like a Netgesr N900 for the best capability?

The impression I have of the Hyperhub is that Hyperoptic have something that works as good as they can manage,

Is it the 1Gig service you have? As many routers are incapable of handling WAN to LAN speeds of that, the ports say yes fine, but the processor cannot keep up

Hi edan

Thank you for your post - and welcome to Hyperoptic!

With regards to the HyperHub router, it does not have dual band wireless as it is no longer necessary. The UK used to be on 5Ghz , dual band was the transition phase of both 5Ghz and 2.4Ghz however as we are now out of that transition phase, dual band is obsolete. 2.4Ghz is more effective over a larger range.

The HyperHub router does include other features which includes the ability to port forward.

We do recommend that you use a wired connection for optimum speed (environmental factors beyond our control can affect speed). The HyperHub has undergone vigorous testing to ensure it's perfect for the job!

If you would like to speak to one of our tech guys, please drop me an email with your contact details to [email protected].

We look forward to connecting you soon!

Kind regards

Sunita
www.hyperoptic.com

One observation

5GHz can be handy in areas where finding a good 2.4GHz band is difficult, its not much good proprogation wise, but for kit in the same room can give better performance when competing with a dozen or more 2.4GHz devices

The Hyperoptic rep seems to be incorrectly referring to 802.11a which was on the 5GHz frequency band, and is indeed effectively obsolete.

@Hyperoptic: 11n also has a 5GHz mode, which has been developed by vendors far more recently than the 'usual' 2.4GHz mode, at present it is far less congested, and although it has less range tends to be faster over shorter distances. It is most certainly not being transitioned away from.

"2.4Ghz is more effective over a larger range. "

That very much depends on what else is going on at 2.4GHz in any given location, which is currently a bit unpredictable, but it's probably fair to assume it will get more congested rather than less congested as time goes by. Where 2.4GHz is already congested, 5GHz is unlikely to be (yet).

Wires are good, but not always convenient.

Hi everyone and thanks for your responses.

I'm inclined to give the hyperhub a go and see how I manage and then change it if needed. I think I understand correctly that the hyperoptic broadband comes into the property as an RJ45 socket meaning I can change the router later if I wanted to (to a non adsl one)?

It was the 5GHz on 802.11n that I was referring to as being in a two bedroom London flat means there are tons of private and public wifi networks in the 2.4GHz spectrum and I also have wireless keyboards and phones too.

As its a flat I don't need the range so much so I may get better speed on 5GHz wireless n, though it would need the fall back to 2.4GHz too for older devices that do not work at 5GHz.

I'm also considering wiring the flat with Cat5e cable as although I'm only going for the 100Mbs service 1Gbs could be a future upgrade once most of my hardware is upgraded to support it!

Must remember my a and n's

And I must remember to read my posts back to myself before I press submit!

Apologies for any confusion with my previous post

Our current router works in the 2.4GHz band and we�ve successfully tested it at speeds up to 74mpbs using wireless in an office environment however, as I mentioned earlier, the speed you achieve will be dependent on your environment. It�s actually really hard to find a router at sensible prices that can achieve 1Gbps throughput which is why we selected this unit after extensive searching. Obviously, you have to use a physical connection rather than a wireless one to achieve the best speeds though. All the standard features are supported like NAT routing, basic firewall, port forwarding, UPnP etc. It�s a really high specification device and we think you�ll be very pleased with it.

Sunita

Great! Many thanks for your help I'm now eagerly waiting for the install date and can't wait to ditch the Adsl!

Hi.

Thanks for your comment.

Please see URL: http://netgear.co.uk/home/products/wirelessrouters/u...

Question:
Would using the Netgear R6300 provide wireless speeds of 400-1300Mbps on the HyperOptic network(assuming on 1gig package)?

Thanks

Sid

Divide the wireless speeds by 2 to give the max theoretical.

Also these are wireless speeds and does not refer to the Maximum throughput from WAN to LAN interfaces

In reply to a post by Hyperoptic:

It�s actually really hard to find a router at sensible prices that can achieve 1Gbps throughput which is why we selected this unit after extensive searching.

Even more difficult to find client kit that supports it. Dual-band would provide the best option but I was looking myself a couple of weeks ago and gave up on it. Far too expensive and none of the laptops or phones that get used in my house support 5GHz anyway.

Sadly wifi is pretty much a no-no even with FTTC. Mine struggled to reliably do better than 20Mb/s so I've gone back to a wired connection on my laptop. It very much depends where you live but I'm on the edge of a housing estate and if I remember correctly there are 18 networks visible. I think my WAP managed to get two adjacent channels which is the 72 Mb/s you referred to. But even then you typically only get 40% of throughput from what I've read about wifi.

It'll be interesting to see how it pans out but my feeling was that it ruled wifi out for 'serious' use. It's fine if you're just browsing and reading email but I think you've probably made a wise decision. Wifi is can't provide high throughput and it's probably not worth trying. As long as you advise your users about the limitation I think you've done the right thing

In reply to a post by Anonymous:

Please see URL: http://netgear.co.uk/home/products/wirelessrouters/u...

Question:
Would using the Netgear R6300 provide wireless speeds of 400-1300Mbps on the HyperOptic network(assuming on 1gig package)?

Depends. How many wireless networks can you see in your area?

http://www.metageek.net/products/inssider/

My understanding of the way it works is that there are 6 overlapping channels available. Each channel can carry 54Mb/s (but note Mr Saffron's comment about 50% throughput). To achieve higher speeds the WAP needs to combine adjacent channels. This gets more difficult the more channels you want to combine. Now if you're operating at 5GHz it ought to be easier but:

a)You need client kit that uses that frequency - my research suggested that you have to pay a premium to get kit that does.
b)5GHz doesn't travel as far or as well as 2.4GHz. If your house has thick solid walls or floors that could be a problem.

The bottom line is that wifi is limited by so many local factors that it's unlikely anyone can answer your question. The equipment will do the best it can.

The problem with the hyperhub seems to be it's only got 1 port for gig and the rest are 100meg. So now I have to add a gigabit switch as well for better speeds between my PC and NAS and other devices.