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Standard User babis3g
(newbie) Sat 19-May-12 16:35:04
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Possible fibre optic?


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Hi
was with fibre boost but had to move house and fibre is not available in my new place

in the new place seems no one used BT line perhaps for years
the engineer came to give me adsl line but he had to replace old shocked(the cooper rj connector at main socket was all rusty) and he could not find the cabinet where i was connected(seems the cable was broke some where between house and cabinet)

after 2 hours he connected me with a new cable to a small black cabinet plastic box (i guess less trouble for him then take new cable to the nearest cabinet which perhaps was many buildings on the way)
(pic below)
http://i48.tinypic.com/24lioer.jpg

He told me this is coming direct from the exchange centre (i asked the distance and is 2.4 kilometres far)

My question is...
Can this small miniature cabinet get fibre optic connection in future??
a new fibre cabinet is at distance of 100m away from house but will be sold out, who will be connect to that new fibre cabinet, in about 2 months time(after asked the engineers who was working on it)

I havew made same question at TT forum because is my isp but replys there are slow
Any comment about it is welcome
thanks for time

Edited by babis3g (Sat 19-May-12 16:36:55)

Standard User Zarjaz
(knowledge is power) Sat 19-May-12 16:38:55
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That's not a 'miniature cabinet' it's an 18 series DP (distribution point) block.

Standard User babis3g
(newbie) Sat 19-May-12 16:42:54
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thank you for fast reply
never heard about it before
is better than cabinet (once is coming direct from exchange if is true according to the BT engineer)???
i guess if is coming direct from exchange it must be good connection because are not many house holds connected like normal cabinet

--my main interest please can get in future FTTC???or some service for the fibre 80/20 product or just will just stuck with adsl?

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Standard User babis3g
(newbie) Sat 19-May-12 17:00:58
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i find the answer in the same forum here after searching Distribution Point
http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/fibre/4078145-popla...

It seems if is true and line coming direct from exchange perhaps will never get fttc 80/20

any one know how to find out via BT openreach or BT?
Anonymous
(Unregistered)Sat 19-May-12 17:18:50
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About 14% of lines connect directly to the exchange. They cannot have a fibre to the cabinet service because there is no cabinet.

There may potentially be a solution to this at some stage in the future, but that's yet to be announced.

We assume the engineer to be correct here - it is a direct exchange line. Have you checked what the online checkers say for your phone number? They don't happen to mention anything about a line sharing device, by any chance.. do you have ADSL now?
Standard User babis3g
(newbie) Sat 19-May-12 17:33:34
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yes i am connected since thursday with adsl at this point box
i asked the BT engineer that has done the new adsl insillation (had a small machine like mobile and a laptop) and told i m far 2.4 kilometers from exchange so i assume i am direct to the exchange

the checker says there is not fttc available according to my address and near by addresses
can not use phone line number to check because i am with TT and seems they have not register the phone number with BT data base

how ever 2 weeks ago (before my adsl connection take place to the black box point ) i see BT engineers fitting a new fttc large cabinet less than 100 m and they told me will go live in about 2-3 months

But i guess i am not lucky one
thanks for reply guys i have post at TT forum and hope they can investigate for me

Edited by babis3g (Sat 19-May-12 17:35:11)

Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Sat 19-May-12 19:05:29
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"and told i m far 2.4 kilometers from exchange so i assume i am direct to the exchange"

Nothing in that statement means you should assume you have a direct exchange line. To be honest I am not sure what there is to investigate.

If the new cabinet is only just being fitted in the area, then actual service from it may be some months away, and once its like the post code checks should show it is available.

Andrew Ferguson, [email protected]
www.thinkbroadband.com - formerly known as ADSLguide.org.uk
The author of the above post is a thinkbroadband staff member. It may not constitute an official statement on behalf of thinkbroadband.
Standard User babis3g
(newbie) Sun 20-May-12 00:37:37
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thanks for reply
i am back home now

yea i find it a bit strange this connection to come direct all the way from exchange just for 18 houses no matter what the engineer said

from what i have understand Distribution Point does not get fttc if is direct from exchange
Unless if post code code come up with fttc available - if i am lucky to be connected at new fibre cabinet

thanks all for your fast reply s and your time about my post

i also have post at TT forums but they are slow there

what in general i mean that black box does not really looks for fttc to me ...but the only i can do is just wait and see what happens
My best wishes to all of you!!!!

Edited by babis3g (Sun 20-May-12 00:46:24)

Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Sun 20-May-12 07:21:09
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The black box is just for joining two bits of wire together.

The FTTC cabinets are a LOT bigger and cost £35000 to £50000 each

Andrew Ferguson, [email protected]
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Standard User izools
(experienced) Sun 20-May-12 15:19:26
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In reply to a post by babis3g:
thanks for reply
i am back home now

yea i find it a bit strange this connection to come direct all the way from exchange just for 18 houses no matter what the engineer said

from what i have understand Distribution Point does not get fttc if is direct from exchange
Unless if post code code come up with fttc available - if i am lucky to be connected at new fibre cabinet

thanks all for your fast reply s and your time about my post

i also have post at TT forums but they are slow there

what in general i mean that black box does not really looks for fttc to me ...but the only i can do is just wait and see what happens
My best wishes to all of you!!!!


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Standard User babis3g
(newbie) Sun 20-May-12 19:34:15
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NW5 4QA
the pic i have at first post is the box where the engineer connected me
is just 10 meters maximum from house

done little more search and have found some fttc checkers

it says few houses in my post code has got direct connection with the exchange and not just me
http://fttc-check.alc.im/
http://www.coolwebhome.co.uk/fibre/checker.php

as i said i will try my isp if can be connected to the new fibre cabinet other ways will wait if any solution for fibre with direct exchanges
have found one more post in this forum where is not good sign for me
http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/otherbb/3902258-ftt...
thanks

Edited by babis3g (Sun 20-May-12 19:35:56)

Standard User ukhardy07
(experienced) Sun 20-May-12 20:36:17
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Basically...

If you are connected straight to the exchange then NO Fibre broadband.

It's called FTTC (Fibre to the cabinet) because the fibre is installed in the local cabinet.
If there is no local cabinet between you and the exchange then there's no possibility of getting it.

The line MAY have routed via a local cabinet originally. However now that the engineer has connected you via that terminal box, it may no longer go via the cabinet.

The original route was probably different to the new one.

Regardless they wont change this back now that it's been done. What's the probability % showing as on the websites you were looking at such as http://www.coolwebhome.co.uk/fibre/checker.php
Standard User babis3g
(newbie) Sun 20-May-12 20:47:32
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thanks for reply
probability is 100% in both checkers

Edited by babis3g (Sun 20-May-12 20:48:23)

Standard User ukhardy07
(experienced) Sun 20-May-12 20:51:50
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Have just looked up NW5 4QA

With it being London it's really not uncommon for it to be long length and yet exchange only.

Many london lines take odd routes which can twist and turn and even go back on themselves. So a straight line distance of 500m can be 2 miles in real terms.

Looking at that postcode there seems absolutely no way that you can get FTTC broadband.

This terminal block that you are connected to. Is that within the same post-code area or is that a few houses down and could be a different post code?
Standard User babis3g
(newbie) Sun 20-May-12 21:32:45
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about the lines you correct my exchange is about 600- 700 meters but my line according to BT engineer when i asked is 2.4 km

is in the same post code but i think few blocks down the road but not sure
is one fibre just installed about 80 meters away and one normal cabinet about 60 meters away

the normal cabinet i see engineers took away all cables from inside and is empty now
i asked the BT engineers and they told me with in 2 months will be sorted who will be connected (but that is before i got connected to the box)

thanks again...slowly i start forget fttc
Standard User adebov
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 20-May-12 21:47:27
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I wonder what would happen if you try to place an order for direct 'on demand' FTTP next March?
If your local street cabinet is FTTC enabled I wonder if you'd get away with it?
After all; they'll have to blow a fibre from your home to the cabinet, so what difference does it make if your copper line doesn't actually go to that cabinet?
Problem is it could cost maybe £1500!

I also wonder what would happen if you ordered enough new lines to use up all the spare connections in the junction box. Would BT just install a new cable back to the nearest cabinet?

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Standard User ukhardy07
(experienced) Sun 20-May-12 22:04:39
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The FTTC cabinet is located near an existing cabinet. E.g. http://www.broadbandwatchdog.co.uk/story/wp-content/...

In the photograph the box on the right is the old BT cabinet which is used for those with ADSL ADSL 2+ etc and telephone services.

The cabinet on the left is the new FTTC cabinet. This cabinet only provides fibre services to those who's lines are already going via the righthand side cabinet.

This means that if your line was not already going via the right hand side cabinet, you will never see fibre via the new left hand side cabinet.

If your line goes directly via the exchange (in your case) it's not routed via one of these cabinets. Hence you wont see FTTC as it stands.

As for this cabinet which has had all of the wires removed. That seems strange and perhaps a little confusing.

A cabinet can hold 100s of lines. So if they take away all of the cables - what's happened to the existing 100s of peoples lines? They still need a service.

Perhaps the cabinet was moved to a different location which has happened here before... They moved it around 30 metres for some reason.

Also your postcode serves around 70 properties from what I can see. All of these seem to have direct to exchange lines (as far as I can tell). So chances are you can't get a line at your current address that goes via a local cabinet.

I highly doubt that BT will in future re-route your specific line via a cabinet.

Edited by ukhardy07 (Sun 20-May-12 22:05:24)

Standard User babis3g
(newbie) Sun 20-May-12 22:22:00
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Also your postcode serves around 70 properties from what I can see. All of these seem to have direct to exchange lines (as far as I can tell). So chances are you can't get a line at your current address that goes via a local cabinet.

I highly doubt that BT will in future re-route your specific line via a cabinet.


hmmmm that was i was thinking
i see the engineer just pulling out all cables from the normal cabinet
i asked if fttc is coming and showed me the new fttc cabinet (which they installed earliest same day) and told me all will sort with in 2-3 months

the 70 properties are mainly from council houses block so i guess (once was pulling out all wires from normal cabinet) they will redirect to cabinet inluding mine just 50 meters away from these properties

yea it is a strange case for a bit of properties to be directed all to exchange here in London
hope you right and again all i have to do is wait and see

Edited by babis3g (Sun 20-May-12 22:25:03)

Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Sun 20-May-12 22:27:32
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"i see the engineer just pulling out all cables from the normal cabinet"

This makes no sense to me. With FTTC the cables in the existing cabinet are left in place, an extra set of copper cabling is added to link the existing cabinet to the new cabinet.

As far as I am concerned, it is very likely you have misinterpreted what the engineer has said based on what we have been told so far.

Andrew Ferguson, [email protected]
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Standard User ukhardy07
(experienced) Sun 20-May-12 22:37:37
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I am not saying wait and see. I am saying you can't get FTTC now and you will not be able to in future.

Ok. Whatever is happening with that cabinet has no affect on you.
Your line is direct to the exchange. It does not go via ANY cabinet.

I believe that the cabinet that has had the cables removed is no longer in use.
The lines that were using this cabinet probably connect to a different one now.
This happened near me.

In my case...
Old cabinet = cables torn out
New cabinet installed 30 metres away.
The lines that connected via the old cabinet now connect via the new cabinet.

IF you were not connected to the old cabinet in the first place you were not connected to the new one.

EVEN GIVEN THIS. I highly doubt a new Fibre cabinet would be installed next to one where the cables have been just removed?

Even in 2-3 months when the cabinet goes live you wont be able to get a fibre service via it.

They will not re-route you via the cabinet in future. There's no need for them to.

In your situation. Any work on any cabinet makes absolutely no difference to you.
Don't expect FTTC. It's not coming to you.

Hope this helps.

Edited by ukhardy07 (Sun 20-May-12 22:40:18)

Standard User ukhardy07
(experienced) Sun 20-May-12 22:42:11
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Ok so bad news. You won't be able to get FTTC.

GOOD NEWS! Most of the properties within your postcode are served by virginmedia. You can get up to 100mbps at most of the addresses.

So this is probably your only option at getting faster speeds.

http://store.virginmedia.com/broadband.html

Edited by ukhardy07 (Sun 20-May-12 22:42:37)

Standard User babis3g
(newbie) Sun 20-May-12 22:50:32
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YES It Helps!!!!
Ok guys thanks all for your replys
Much appreciated spending some of your time about me
Of course i learn something from this thread like what is a distribution point, fttc infos,how lines works so BIG THANKS
Like i said post up i start forget fttc
My best wishes to ALL of you involved
Standard User ukhardy07
(experienced) Sun 20-May-12 22:53:23
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Definitely consider virginmedia as it's probably the best option speed-wise at your current location

Out of interest what speeds are you currently getting

Edited by ukhardy07 (Sun 20-May-12 22:53:50)

Standard User babis3g
(newbie) Sun 20-May-12 23:08:30
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i have not complain about speed but i need the upload
had fttc via TT at my old property 40/2 .... my vigor 2850n now is upset but thats life

just been connected since thursday and with snr 12db loop attenuator 29db getting 11- 12mb
the line is very good never buffer youtube or bbc iplayer with 2 pc streaming tv at same time all day today sunday
i have request via TT forum to change my snr to 6FDB fastpatch and see how the line perform
[IMG]http://www.speedtest.net/result/1962382051.png[/IMG]

the line perform well with 2 pc using alla day
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/share/541bc3b0bf7...

http://www.pingtest.net/result/63098972.png

Edited by babis3g (Sun 20-May-12 23:13:01)

Standard User qasdfdsaq
(member) Mon 21-May-12 21:00:31
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In reply to a post by ukhardy07:
If you are connected straight to the exchange then NO Fibre broadband.

It's called FTTC (Fibre to the cabinet) because the fibre is installed in the local cabinet.
If there is no local cabinet between you and the exchange then there's no possibility of getting it.

The line MAY have routed via a local cabinet originally. However now that the engineer has connected you via that terminal box, it may no longer go via the cabinet.

The original route was probably different to the new one.

Regardless they wont change this back now that it's been done. What's the probability % showing as on the websites you were looking at such as http://www.coolwebhome.co.uk/fibre/checker.php

Incorrect.

BT have stated they will consider installing new cabinets for exchange-only lines, where economically viable.
Standard User ukhardy07
(experienced) Mon 21-May-12 21:03:19
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I stand corrected

smile
Standard User babis3g
(newbie) Tue 22-May-12 00:48:34
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In reply to a post by ukhardy07:
I stand corrected

smile

Maybe because by now ... i have find this:
http://www.superfastcornwall.org/frequently-asked-qu...

I am in an enabled area but I cannot get superfast broadband. Why not?

2. You may be served by what is known as an 'exchange only' line that is connected directly to the telephone exchange without an intervening green roadside cabinet. Regulations do not currently allow the technology used to deliver superfast broadband from the cabinets to be used in the exchanges. However, the first trial of new technology to support 'Exchange Only' lines is taking place in Cornwall so we are in the process of developing a solution.


Dont know how old is that info but probably will know the next few months

Edited by babis3g (Tue 22-May-12 01:05:29)

Standard User ccxo
(committed) Tue 22-May-12 13:38:37
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This is from a news article 10th may on this site,

Update 1:30pm: We asked Openreach about the issue of Exchange Only lines back in April 2012, and received a response regarding those lines or groups of lines run directly from the exchange, which is usually those closest to the exchange or new estates located further from the exchange. Openreach has said that where technically and economically feasible they will provide either a FTTC (via new cabinet) or FTTP service, this is done on a case-by-case basis as the roll-outs progress. We believe pressure to hit the 66% figure as soon as possible, means these areas will mainly be waiting until 2014, or for the various BDUK projects to start producing results.

My Broadband Speed Test
Standard User babis3g
(newbie) Tue 07-Aug-12 03:02:52
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Sorry for late response

Update

Kept the Talk Talk as i was since 2008 with them so got special loyalty offer... and also got VM 100mb by now with 6 months special offer
A Draytek 2920n handles Great both connections

Thanks all involved for your informations ... You Are All Great too !!!

Perhaps by VM contract finish & if they still messing with their congestion some of the time ... maybe appears at the estates here FTTP/ FTTP on demand ... depending of the cost of course.-

Edited by babis3g (Tue 07-Aug-12 03:05:59)

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