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Standard User Moradin
(member) Fri 25-May-12 19:30:02
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Posters on Cabs.


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I notice they are putting these multi coloured bt openreach posters on the cabs now..

Question i have is, when an exchange goes live, do they stick the sticker on that day?

sounds silly, but i have no way of knowing what day it will go live.

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Standard User aramsay
(member) Fri 25-May-12 19:48:18
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Re: Posters on Cabs.


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My cab's been live for about a month, and no poster on it.

What I did was keep checking on the BT Wholesale site with your phone number to see when it goes live.
Standard User Moradin
(member) Fri 25-May-12 19:58:55
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ahh but if you don't have a BT number, you will be out of luck..

its completely useless on the post code checker.

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Standard User aramsay
(member) Fri 25-May-12 21:56:58
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Re: Posters on Cabs.


[re: Moradin] [link to this post]
 
But the 'Address Checker' seems to work reasonably well.

http://www.dslchecker.bt.com/pls/adsl/ADSLChecker.ad...

Or as you're on TalkTalk, you could use their checker:

https://sales.talktalk.co.uk/products/broadband/fibr...

Edited by aramsay (Fri 25-May-12 21:58:00)

Standard User mysticeddy
(learned) Fri 25-May-12 22:47:07
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Re: Posters on Cabs.


[re: Moradin] [link to this post]
 
The cabs in my area didn't get posters on them until recently despite being activated for over a year and a half. As mentioned, the checkers are the best way to check avaliability.
Standard User Zarjaz
(knowledge is power) Fri 25-May-12 23:09:40
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Re: Posters on Cabs.


[re: Moradin] [link to this post]
 
Openreach are asking staff to donate time to put these stickers on the DSLAM cabinets to promote the GEA service.


Since it's voluntary, hence the varied response.

Standard User zyborg47
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 26-May-12 00:35:31
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Re: Posters on Cabs.


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Openreach are asking staff to donate time to put these stickers on the DSLAM cabinets to promote the GEA service.


Since it's voluntary, hence the varied response.


BT wants their name plaster all over the place, so people may think that Bt openreach is the same as Bt retail.
oh silly me, it is, how did I forget that?

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Standard User Ribble
(committed) Sat 26-May-12 07:42:16
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Never seen them. Got a link to a photo of them?
Standard User FRS_Plunderer
(experienced) Sat 26-May-12 07:47:48
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[re: zyborg47] [link to this post]
 
Openreach are asking staff to donate time to put these stickers on the DSLAM cabinets to promote the GEA service.


Since it's voluntary, hence the varied response.


wow really? thats a joke.

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Edited by FRS_Plunderer (Sat 26-May-12 07:48:42)

Standard User Ribble
(committed) Sat 26-May-12 09:33:21
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I thought it was to leaflet the wider area. Dont need volunteers just to stick posters on cabinets
Standard User btbert
(member) Sat 26-May-12 09:49:03
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You are right its on page 22 of the March issue of Field Engineering News , i am just off to deliver some !






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Standard User Moradin
(member) Sat 26-May-12 19:41:36
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http://beusergroup.co.uk/technotes/index.php?title=F...

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Standard User zag164
(newbie) Sat 26-May-12 21:28:55
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I can understand why they would want to advertise but would have thought they would need permission from the Highways Commission as the cabinets are not on private land.

http://www.communities.gov.uk/documents/planningandb...
Standard User kwikbreaks
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 27-May-12 08:23:18
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Exactly my thoughts - at least the first thing that sprang to my mind was the legality of fly posters. Even if they own the boxes I doubt that the planning permission requests included "advertising hoarding" in the description.
Standard User Zarjaz
(knowledge is power) Sun 27-May-12 08:28:04
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Really, not so much of an issue is it ?
Look at the countless numbers of estate agents boards that are around, (and often even attached the telephone poles.)

Edited by Zarjaz (Sun 27-May-12 08:28:33)

Standard User FRS_Plunderer
(experienced) Sun 27-May-12 11:20:20
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[re: Zarjaz] [link to this post]
 
wonder what the fallout would be if some employee were to mistake a few dozen Virgin cabinets for Openreach ones and wack the stickers on those...

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Standard User izools
(experienced) Sun 27-May-12 15:25:53
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In reply to a post by FRS_Plunderer:
wonder what the fallout would be if some employee were to mistake a few dozen Virgin cabinets for Openreach ones and wack the stickers on those...


Haha, give me some posters and we'll find out tongue

God I hate VM so much. Their fibre nodes are further away from end user premises' than good old ADSL connections yet they still get to use the term "Fibre Broadband".

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Standard User zag164
(newbie) Sun 27-May-12 16:14:16
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Re: Posters on Cabs.


[re: Zarjaz] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by Zarjaz:
Really, not so much of an issue is it ?
Look at the countless numbers of estate agents boards that are around, (and often even attached the telephone poles.)


Fair enough but Estate Agents boards are generally within the boundary of the property which by their nature must have permission from the owner. The fibre cabinets are on public property.
Standard User Zarjaz
(knowledge is power) Sun 27-May-12 17:56:37
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....and the ones on telephone poles ??

Standard User Moradin
(member) Sun 27-May-12 18:17:06
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[re: Zarjaz] [link to this post]
 
Ive seen thousands of estate agents billboards.. never seen 1 on a pole.

Does raise an interesting question about the legality of it though.

Also, i thought openreach were supposed to be ''neutral' and treat all ISPs the same. ? obviously plastering BT all over the cab doesn't meet that requirement.... ?

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Standard User FRS_Plunderer
(experienced) Sun 27-May-12 18:44:51
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[re: Moradin] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by Moradin:
Ive seen thousands of estate agents billboards.. never seen 1 on a pole.

Does raise an interesting question about the legality of it though.

Also, i thought openreach were supposed to be ''neutral' and treat all ISPs the same. ? obviously plastering BT all over the cab doesn't meet that requirement.... ?


I've seen a few along with building company boards when they are renovating a property behind the pole, it isn't legal.

As for the Openreach poster, the one shown in this thread has 1 small BT globe logo which is part of the Openreach logo. So beyond Openreach being a BT group business I can't see how it really counts as "plastering BT all over the cab"...

http://beusergroup.co.uk/technotes/index.php?title=F...

http://www.openreach.co.uk/orpg/assets/images/img_or...

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Edited by FRS_Plunderer (Sun 27-May-12 18:51:31)

Standard User dave2150
(experienced) Sun 27-May-12 20:37:22
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[re: izools] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by izools:
In reply to a post by FRS_Plunderer:
wonder what the fallout would be if some employee were to mistake a few dozen Virgin cabinets for Openreach ones and wack the stickers on those...


Haha, give me some posters and we'll find out tongue

God I hate VM so much. Their fibre nodes are further away from end user premises' than good old ADSL connections yet they still get to use the term "Fibre Broadband".


Well their Coax system can deliver faster downstream speeds than FTTC can, so not sure how you can say that.

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Standard User dave2150
(experienced) Sun 27-May-12 20:38:39
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Also, gotta love how some people here are going bad over a post on a cabinet!

Any little reason to complain these days!

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Standard User Zarjaz
(knowledge is power) Sun 27-May-12 22:00:41
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[re: Moradin] [link to this post]
 
Also, i thought openreach were supposed to be ''neutral' and treat all ISPs the same. ? obviously plastering BT all over the cab doesn't meet that requirement.... ?

err ...... Openreach product, on Openreach plant ....... ???

Standard User MCM
(fountain of knowledge) Sun 27-May-12 22:06:27
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[re: Moradin] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by Moradin:
Also, i thought openreach were supposed to be ''neutral' and treat all ISPs the same. ? obviously plastering BT all over the cab doesn't meet that requirement.... ?
They are being neutral. The posters say "Fibre broadband is here", NOT "Infinity is here"
Anonymous
(Unregistered)Sun 27-May-12 22:35:24
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it is openreach branding stating fibre broadband is here and advising check superfast- openreach -- from providers

there are lesflet dros and stickers by exchnage champions for5 each enabled area -- i am one for my own are
Standard User Zarjaz
(knowledge is power) Mon 28-May-12 07:17:50
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"lesflet dros"

"exchnage champion"

Not filling me with confidence here ! smile

Standard User Moradin
(member) Mon 28-May-12 07:48:03
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They are being neutral. The posters say "Fibre broadband is here", NOT "Infinity is here"

good point.

No, the legality bit, is the fact they are advertising, and probably haven't got permission from the council to do so.

I though they had to?

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Standard User FRS_Plunderer
(experienced) Mon 28-May-12 07:48:38
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"lesflet dros"

"exchnage champion"

Not filling me with confidence here ! smile


must be a bot.

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Standard User FRS_Plunderer
(experienced) Mon 28-May-12 08:01:33
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[re: Moradin] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by Moradin:
They are being neutral. The posters say "Fibre broadband is here", NOT "Infinity is here"

good point.

No, the legality bit, is the fact they are advertising, and probably haven't got permission from the council to do so.

I though they had to?


Question is whether it is classed as an advert or as information pertaining to the installation of the cabinet itself. As its not advertising any commercially available to the public brands or products I would argue the latter.

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Edited by FRS_Plunderer (Mon 28-May-12 11:15:14)

Standard User qasdfdsaq
(member) Mon 28-May-12 11:17:00
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[re: FRS_Plunderer] [link to this post]
 
Indeed one could see the statement "Fibre broadband is here" as a simply neutral description that "this is a fibre broadband cabinet"

Much like if you were to put a poster on a bus stop saying "Bus service is here"
Standard User Zarjaz
(knowledge is power) Mon 28-May-12 17:04:19
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must be a bot.

A bot whit ?

Standard User gazter
(learned) Mon 28-May-12 20:11:01
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[re: MCM] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by MCM:
In reply to a post by Moradin:
Also, i thought openreach were supposed to be ''neutral' and treat all ISPs the same. ? obviously plastering BT all over the cab doesn't meet that requirement.... ?
They are being neutral. The posters say "Fibre broadband is here", NOT "Infinity is here"


BT *retail* asked my council to fund 50% of their infinity advertising launch. I told them where to go.
Standard User FRS_Plunderer
(experienced) Mon 28-May-12 21:06:15
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BT *retail* asked my council to fund 50% of their infinity advertising launch. I told them where to go.


Who BT or the council?

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Standard User kwikbreaks
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 28-May-12 22:28:43
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Well their Coax system can deliver faster downstream speeds than FTTC can, so not sure how you can say that.

Cable may well be able to deliver higher headline speed but it runs into problems if many of the subscribers actually start to use those speeds for a sustained period because the local bandwidth is very limited - typically several hundred users on a pipe that can do 200Mbps down and 18Mbps up and VM were selling unlimited 100/10 on that infrastructure until very recently.
Standard User gazter
(regular) Mon 28-May-12 22:47:00
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[re: FRS_Plunderer] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by FRS_Plunderer:
In reply to a post by gazter:
BT *retail* asked my council to fund 50% of their infinity advertising launch. I told them where to go.


Who BT or the council?


BT. It's fantastic that BT openreach are upgrading some of the area with FTTC, it is a bit duplicitous for them to meet with the council and ask them to half fund a BT Infinity campaign (with the assumption presented that the two things were the same thing).

Naughty, Naughty.
Standard User kwikbreaks
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 29-May-12 09:29:06
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Really, not so much of an issue is it ?

It's no issue at all for me. Most street cabs in my neck of the woods end up getting fly postered and/or graffiti but it seemed strange to hear that BT were using their cabs as advertising hordings - usually the council likes a cut for anything like that. If they are just simple identification stickers as was mentioned later then I doubt that's an issue even for the jobsworths.
Standard User gazter
(regular) Tue 29-May-12 18:13:38
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In reply to a post by kwikbreaks:
In reply to a post by Zarjaz:
Really, not so much of an issue is it ?

It's no issue at all for me. Most street cabs in my neck of the woods end up getting fly postered and/or graffiti but it seemed strange to hear that BT were using their cabs as advertising hordings - usually the council likes a cut for anything like that. If they are just simple identification stickers as was mentioned later then I doubt that's an issue even for the jobsworths.


The highway authority (that owns the piece of land that the cabinet sits on) must give permission for permanent advertisements. However there are exclusions to this, i dont know if utility companies are part of the exclusion.
Standard User dave2150
(experienced) Wed 30-May-12 02:35:36
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[re: kwikbreaks] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by kwikbreaks:
In reply to a post by dave2150:
Well their Coax system can deliver faster downstream speeds than FTTC can, so not sure how you can say that.

Cable may well be able to deliver higher headline speed but it runs into problems if many of the subscribers actually start to use those speeds for a sustained period because the local bandwidth is very limited - typically several hundred users on a pipe that can do 200Mbps down and 18Mbps up and VM were selling unlimited 100/10 on that infrastructure until very recently.


You happen to know that every single Virgin Media hub/pipe has 'hundreds' us users sharing a 200mbit bandwidth connection? Source for this information?

Im aware of congestion in some areas but many people are happpy with their connection and do see the headline speeds on a regular basis.

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Standard User jamieearl
(newbie) Fri 01-Jun-12 11:42:57
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Has anyone had a look at the site? Its a website that talks about broadband and shows a list of providers. Nothing more so some people need to get off their high horse and get over it. Its a sticker!

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