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Standard User oxygendebt
(newbie) Tue 29-May-12 21:08:19
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I've ordered an 80/20 FTTC install for early June (ISP = Goscomb). I have been doing some thinking in advance and have four questions I've love to have some insight on.

I'm OK with most aspects of home networking and would certainly like to unlock and monitor the Openreach modem if possible. I intend to offer up the modem to the EWAN port on my existing Billion 7800n, which currently has a local IPv4 address of 192.168.1.1

These are my questions:

1) I have obtained instructions and firmware for reflashing the HG612. Is it as simple as it appears? Aren't there any Openreach settings which I don't know and can't retain during the firmware upgrade? Does the modem 'just work' again after unlocking?

2) I intend to give the FTTC a week (10 days?) to settle once installed before looking at accessing the modem. Will I have any problems with IP conflicts? I see the HG612 has a default address of 192.168.1.1, and I have already assigned that to my existing ADSL router (Billion 7800n). Will I need to change the address of the Billion, even if I don't access the modem?

3) I realise I may get the ECI modem rather than the Huawei, depending on the cabinet equipment. Is there any way to tell in advance which modem I might get?

4) Does the HG612 'do' IPv6?

Thanks for any responses!
Standard User greenglide
(member) Tue 29-May-12 21:41:28
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Yes - it is as easy as the instructions say! Dont even need to have it connected to the VDSL line. The only pre-requisite is that the computer accessing the LAN port MUST be 192.168.1.100. The BT defaults are retained.

I am not sure about changing the IP address of the Huwae but the GUI is such that it is probably possible.

It seems to be luck of the draw which you get although it seems that the selection, in theory, depends on the make of the CAB but either will work. I obtained a brand new Huwaei version 3b off ebay while waiting for my exchange to be enabled.

The Huwaei is acting as a modem - it is the router that would have to do IPv6 but the ISP would have to as well.

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Standard User oxygendebt
(newbie) Tue 29-May-12 21:54:54
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OK, many thanks for replying.

I already connect with IPv6 using my existing ISP and router.

I'd already looked on ebay for a modem to play with. Nothing much available at the moment, unfortunately.


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Standard User burakkucat
(committed) Tue 29-May-12 23:02:17
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3) I realise I may get the ECI modem rather than the Huawei, depending on the cabinet equipment. Is there any way to tell in advance which modem I might get?
You can find the answer to that question by locating the PCP through which your line is connected and examining its FTTC twin.

If you are still uncertain, take a photograph of the FTTC and post a link to the image here. One of us should then be able to identify it as either Huawei or ECI. wink

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Standard User oxygendebt
(newbie) Tue 29-May-12 23:08:28
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OK good stuff I will have a look at the new cab in the morning. I know exactly which PCP and where.
Standard User MHC
(legend) Tue 29-May-12 23:16:30
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Yes - it is as easy as the instructions say! Dont even need to have it connected to the VDSL line. The only pre-requisite is that the computer accessing the LAN port MUST be 192.168.1.100. The BT defaults are retained.


Absolute total RUBBISH.


If you are going to make statements like that then make sure they are correct rather than trying to mislead people.


And yes I do know what I am talking about, my local IP is nothing like that and I can access my Huawei modem without any problems whatsoever.


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ISP Representative Adsl24
(isp) Tue 29-May-12 23:19:58
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Correct, as long as the PC is set up with an IP in the 192.168.1.x you can access the 192.168.1.1 modem IP to unlock. Don't know why MHC states it must be .100 ?

James
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ISP Representative Adsl24
(isp) Tue 29-May-12 23:23:24
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Basically ignore your Billion to start with. plug direct in to LAN port 2 on the Openreach modem and follow the unlock procedures. Then access the modem at 192.168.1.1, go in to LAN settings and change the IP to something like 192.168.1.250

Then, plug a cable between LAN 1 on the modem to your WAN port on the Billion and have the Billion connect using PPPoE, and also plug a cable in between LAN 2 on the modem to any LAN port on the Billion (or a switch) and then you can access the modem on 192.168.1.250 and it wont affect your Billion at 192.168.1.1

Thanks

James
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Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Wed 30-May-12 01:27:00
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Just to add agreement there James.

I did follow the asbokid instructions originally, but thought the .100 was probably just a way of trying to avoid any conflicts anywhere.

For a bit of fun when deciding to revert to my Buffalo router, which defaults to 192.168.11.1, I now have the Huawei modem set to 192.168.11.101. (Rather than changing the Buffalo address).

The modem is accessed wired from the machine that was used to unlock it, and wirelessly from this machine.

Also, as you know but the others reading may not, once unlocked it is perfectly possible to use it as a 2-port router. No wireless of course.

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Standard User think26872
(committed) Wed 30-May-12 17:31:06
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Does this mean if your router defaults to an IP of 192.168.1.1 you are better changing it before getting fibre? i.e. either the BT provided modems have an IP of 192.168.1.1 so your router and its DHCP range must not include 192.168.1.1?

TIA
Standard User balami
(committed) Wed 30-May-12 17:46:42
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Hi,

If you ask Mr BT nicely he may leave you a spare. Worked for me on the 2 installs I have been involved with.

Regards,

Mark.
Standard User kasg
(experienced) Wed 30-May-12 18:32:59
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Does this mean if your router defaults to an IP of 192.168.1.1 you are better changing it before getting fibre? i.e. either the BT provided modems have an IP of 192.168.1.1 so your router and its DHCP range must not include 192.168.1.1?

TIA

If you are not going to unlock the modem it doesn't matter. If you are and you want to be able to access it at the same time as accessing the Internet through your router then yes, it's probably easier to change your router address (and the DHCP range if necessary).

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Standard User asbokid
(member) Wed 30-May-12 18:34:11
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Hi,

When re-flashing the firmware of the HG612, the PC must be manually assigned a static local IP address.
The PC's IP address must be manually assigned because the Huawei's bootloader doesn't support DHCP.
It must be in the subnet 192.168.1.0/24 because the HG612 has a default IP address of 192.168.1.1
Excepting 192.168.1.1, the PC can be given any other IP address in that subnet.

There are some grounds for using an IP address of 192.168.1.100

The Huawei's bootloader can be configured to load its kernel from flash or from the ethernet using BOOTP/TFTP. When configured to net boot, the bootloader, by default, tries to retrieve its kernel from 192.168.1.100 (67/udp + 69/udp)

So that is where 192.168.1.100 came from.

Net booting the Huawei is relatively easy to configure. However, by itself, net booting the kernel has little advantage. To be truly useful, the Huawei also needs to have its root file system mounted over the ethernet (using NFS).

At the time this was tried, Huawei/BT hadn't released the kernel source code for the HG612. The ethernet device driver in the original firmware had dependencies on monolithically-compiled code in the original kernel. But that kernel did not support a NFS root file system. And those dependencies stopped the original ethernet driver binary from being inserted into a new kernel which had been compiled for a NFS root file system.

Now that the kernel source code is available for the HG612, the whole shebang of net booting the kernel and mounting a networked root fs should be possible.

It would make quite an impressive project. A networked file system offers unlimited storage and would greatly ease development of new embedded code for the Huawei.

cheers, a
Standard User R0NSKI
(member) Wed 30-May-12 22:37:49
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In reply to a post by oxygendebt:
OK, many thanks for replying.

I already connect with IPv6 using my existing ISP and router.

I'd already looked on ebay for a modem to play with. Nothing much available at the moment, unfortunately.


There's currently two on there, although one's a bit pricey. One went Saturday for £11.49, which I missed as I was out, but I got one Sunday for £26, both prices include P&P.

Standard User asbokid
(member) Thu 31-May-12 01:26:56
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In reply to a post by asbokid:
When re-flashing the firmware of the HG612, the PC must be manually assigned a local IP address..in the subnet 192.168.1.0/24 because the HG612 has a default IP address of 192.168.1.1

Just to clarify.. the above is only relevant when flashing the Huawei.
Once the device is flashed, it can be assigned through its web interface any legitimate private IP address.

cheers, a
Standard User oxygendebt
(newbie) Thu 31-May-12 20:32:29
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just bought a brand new, boxed 3b version of the HG612 for £15 delivered!

thanks everyone for replies
Standard User ukhardy07
(experienced) Thu 31-May-12 20:42:35
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In reply to a post by Adsl24:
Basically ignore your Billion to start with. plug direct in to LAN port 2 on the Openreach modem and follow the unlock procedures. Then access the modem at 192.168.1.1, go in to LAN settings and change the IP to something like 192.168.1.250

Then, plug a cable between LAN 1 on the modem to your WAN port on the Billion and have the Billion connect using PPPoE, and also plug a cable in between LAN 2 on the modem to any LAN port on the Billion (or a switch) and then you can access the modem on 192.168.1.250 and it wont affect your Billion at 192.168.1.1

Thanks


This doesn't seem to work with sky's fibre. No matter what I do I cannot access the modem via the router. I have to plug in directly to the modem via ethernet. It's very annoying!
Standard User R0NSKI
(member) Thu 31-May-12 22:16:09
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That was a result, mine was also a 3B.

Standard User greenglide
(member) Thu 31-May-12 22:59:56
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[re: MHC] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by MHC:
In reply to a post by greenglide:
Yes - it is as easy as the instructions say! Dont even need to have it connected to the VDSL line. The only pre-requisite is that the computer accessing the LAN port MUST be 192.168.1.100. The BT defaults are retained.


Absolute total RUBBISH.


If you are going to make statements like that then make sure they are correct rather than trying to mislead people.


And yes I do know what I am talking about, my local IP is nothing like that and I can access my Huawei modem without any problems whatsoever.


I was referring to the hacking process - not the actual use of the device after it is hacked.

The reason I made the statement was because I assumed that the entire 192.168.1.x was available but several attempts with my IP address of 192.168.1.19 failed but as soon as I changed the IP address to 192.168.1.100 it worked first time.

That seemed to me to be reasonable grounds to believe that the IP address did matter for this action.

At no point was I trying to mislead anyone. - in my experience (which seems now to have some doubts) the statement was true.

I apologise for having made a mistake. It must be wonderful to be 100% perfect about everything.

Ex <n>ildram , been to SKY MAX - 15,225 Download
BE Unlimited - 21,000 Download 1,200 Upload,
Moved house, now BE Unlimited 6,500 Down, 1Mb/s up - gutted!
FTTC Cab installation commenced 12th April - expect full 80 / 20 - bye bye BE, hello BT Infinity soon!
Standard User qasdfdsaq
(member) Fri 01-Jun-12 00:19:26
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I used 192.168.1.2 and it worked fine.
Standard User Alexir
(learned) Fri 01-Jun-12 06:22:13
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I intend to give the FTTC a week (10 days?) to settle


Why 10 days to settle?
Standard User kasg
(experienced) Fri 01-Jun-12 10:58:02
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In reply to a post by Alexir:
In reply to a post by oxygendebt:
I intend to give the FTTC a week (10 days?) to settle


Why 10 days to settle?

Probably because that, unfortunately, is still what most ISPs are telling their customers.

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Standard User greenglide
(member) Fri 01-Jun-12 12:14:59
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I used 192.168.1.2 and it worked fine.


I was very surprised when it didnt work on 192.168.1.19 but then following the instructions to use 192.168.1.100 it did.

Since I wasnt going to do it again to prove absolutely I made the assumption that the statement in instructions was correct.

Still dont know why it wouldnt work on 192.168.1.19 but not really bothered smile

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BE Unlimited - 21,000 Download 1,200 Upload,
Moved house, now BE Unlimited 6,500 Down, 1Mb/s up - gutted!
FTTC Cab installation commenced 12th April - expect full 80 / 20 - bye bye BE, hello BT Infinity soon!
Standard User BobAsh
(newbie) Tue 05-Jun-12 12:21:26
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192.168.1.1 is considered the default IP for the majority of home high-speed wireless routers. It has been initially applied by Linksys although has been seen used in several other home network products just like the ones made by Netgear as well as Westell to mention a few.



Even though www.192.168.1.1 stands out as the default ip for a lot of high-speed modems, it doesn't essentially need to be. A number of production facilities set the default IP to 192.168.1.1 to be able to publicize a far more standard processing natural environment and to make it simpler for very first time clients to arrange their own networking systems easily and quickly.



May only Linksys and various other wireless routers operate using the 192.168.1.1 IP address?



Basically no, given that 192.168.1.1 can be described as non-public IPv4 address, any type of personal computer, modem, switch, and other web-based system could be set up to employ this unique IP. Having said that, it isn't generally advised seeing as there are lots of products which default to 192-168-1-1 default IP of which connections complications could appear later on from many different units employing the same IP address. Additionally it is very important to try to remember that just one single network equipment might have one Ip, in case you possess various units using 192.168.1.1, just about one ought to be adjusted to another location.
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Tue 05-Jun-12 13:07:29
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192.168.1.1 is considered the default IP for the majority of home high-speed wireless routers. It has been initially applied by Linksys although has been seen used in several other home network products just like the ones made by Netgear as well as Westell to mention a few.
If you check the Netgear 834 series you will find they are 192.168.0.1. I can't vouch for other Netgears.

Thomson Speedtouch (BeBox) 192.168.0.1 so far as I know. But the O2 box uses 192.168.1.254.

My Buffalo Airstation is 192.168.11.1.

BT Home Hub is 192.168.1.254 I think.

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Moderator billford
(moderator) Tue 05-Jun-12 13:17:45
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The Billion 7800N (can't speak for other versions) also defaults to 192.168.1.254.

But as my first few routers used 192.168.1.1, that what everything else on the LAN is expecting and it's easier to change the router's IP than change all the others (and probably miss one...).

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Standard User Oliver341
(knowledge is power) Tue 05-Jun-12 13:20:18
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If you check the Netgear 834 series you will find they are 192.168.0.1. I can't vouch for other Netgears.

Yeah, he's wrong on that, but at least he's managed to sneak a couple of backlinks to his websites in his post blush

Oliver.

Edited by Oliver341 (Tue 05-Jun-12 13:20:54)

Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Tue 05-Jun-12 14:44:47
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Two different websites. One with "whois" completely hidden, the other looks to be Belgrade based, with information, interalia on Genital Warts.

I think he's just copy and pasted from them both, but a bit odd that they are both associated with IntelligentMag.

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Standard User MHC
(legend) Tue 05-Jun-12 14:50:42
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Thomson Speedtouch series are all 192.168.0.1 so far as I know.

BT Home Hub is 192.168.1.254 I think.


To add ...

I have a Speedtouch and that is 10.0.0.138 by default

and BT busienss 2wire 2700.2701 hub is also 192.168.1.254


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Standard User Oliver341
(knowledge is power) Tue 05-Jun-12 15:07:55
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Two different websites. One with "whois" completely hidden, the other looks to be Belgrade based, with information, interalia on Genital Warts.

I think he's just copy and pasted from them both, but a bit odd that they are both associated with IntelligentMag.

And they both share the same IP address. Throw in that it's his first post and I suspect ham for dinner!

Oliver.
Standard User burakkucat
(experienced) Tue 05-Jun-12 17:01:53
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In reply to a post by Oliver341:
In reply to a post by RobertoS:
Two different websites. One with "whois" completely hidden, the other looks to be Belgrade based, with information, interalia on Genital Warts.

I think he's just copy and pasted from them both, but a bit odd that they are both associated with IntelligentMag.

And they both share the same IP address. Throw in that it's his first post and I suspect ham for dinner!
Agreed. And the question is: "Why can't a moderator be found when one is required?" wink

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