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Standard User PE06MCG
(newbie) Sat 16-Jun-12 17:15:04
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I live in Denby Dale, West Yorkshire and my Local Exchange is Skelmanthorpe which went to 'Accepting Orders' about a week ago.
I have been informed my phone is connected to Exchange via PCP17.

The problem is the nearest Boxes to me are PCP2 (about 300 metres) and PCP11 (about 200 metres) both of which are 'humming' and therefore presumably live whereas PCP17 is nowhere to be seen.

There is a smaller plastic BT Box about 100 metres from me but it has no markings of any sort to identify it.
Could this be my PCP17 or is this a sub of the other larger metal ones that are numbered?

Ringing BT they tell me my PCP17 should be done but have no date for it but expect within next 2 weeks. I am concerned that the roadworks (done by Morrisons) on behalf of OpenReach have now gone and activity in our area has ceased.

How can I find the geographical position of my Box and secondly does anyone know if this Box is genuinely due for FTTC conversion.
Standard User burakkucat
(experienced) Sat 16-Jun-12 17:32:17
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Hmm . . . I've looked in the December 2011 document and this is what I've found --
MYSKE,SKELMANTHORPE,HD88QU,{MYSKE}{P17},0,93%,,,,
MYSKE,SKELMANTHORPE,HD88QX,{MYSKE}{P17},0,16%,,,,
MYSKE,SKELMANTHORPE,HD88QZ,{MYSKE}{P17},0,100%,,,,
MYSKE,SKELMANTHORPE,HD88RA,{MYSKE}{P17},0,57%,,,,
MYSKE,SKELMANTHORPE,HD88RH,{MYSKE}{P17},0,100%,,,,
MYSKE,SKELMANTHORPE,HD88SL,{MYSKE}{P17},0,5%,,,,
The PCP designated {MYSKE}{P17} was not, then, listed to be enabled for FTTC service.

Is your postcode one of HD8 8QU, HD8 8QX, HD8 8QZ, HD8 8RA, HD8 8RH or HD8 8SL?

If yes, have you entered your telephone number into the BT Wholesale Broadband Checker? What does it tell you?

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Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Sat 16-Jun-12 17:39:34
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Overlapping post, in effect saying the same as burakkucat.

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Standard User PE06MCG
(newbie) Sat 16-Jun-12 17:58:01
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Thanks for referal RobertoS .
Agree duplication of P17 query but I still would like to know if it is possible to find it (geographically that is).
As expert on 'Boxes' perhaps remainder of my original post is also within your expertise?
Standard User PE06MCG
(newbie) Sat 16-Jun-12 18:03:42
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I have a post code listed as HD8 8QZ and it tells me ADSL only on the link you gave me
Standard User burakkucat
(experienced) Sat 16-Jun-12 19:02:13
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In reply to a post by PE06MCG:
I have a post code listed as HD8 8QZ and it tells me ADSL only on the link you gave me
It does seem that you are not going to be able to receive a FTTC service from the current "round" of updates.
MYSKE,SKELMANTHORPE,HD88QZ,{MYSKE}{P17},0,100%,,,,
Looking at the entry for your postcode, above, we see that all (100%) of the lines (originating from addresses with that postcode area) are connected via P17.

There are three ways to find it:

(1) Plot each of those six postcode areas onto a map and then find the midpoint that would be equidistant to them all. Concentrate a physical search -- walking the streets -- upon that area.

(2) Starting with your home as the central point, perform an ever increasing outward spiral search of the locality, marking off each road/street as it is examined.

(3) Ask an Openreach engineer.

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Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Sat 16-Jun-12 19:34:26
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Again as burakkucat says.

To help, I have various BT cabinet pics on this page, so have a look at that so you know what you are looking for. (There are other similar cabs that I never got round to loading as the layout got tricky). The important thing is to ignore Virgin Media ones, and anything that isn't a phone PCP.

Some people have found theirs the "wrong" side of a wall or fence. It could be yours is in an awkward place for installing an FTTC cab within 50 metres.

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Standard User PE06MCG
(newbie) Sat 16-Jun-12 19:56:27
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Many thanks for reply.

As I suspected, you seem to confirm I am not likely to be connected.
You mention 'this round'. What does this mean?
Do Openreach come back to 'fill in' or do we have to wait a few years for next phase?

Incidentally, have found a website that gives a great map view of postcodes:

http://www.pauldjohnson.co.uk/content/uk-postcode-ge...

Using this I have virtually surrounded my house and it does seem the small plastic unnamed / unnumbered plastic BT Box I originally mentioned is the one.
Back of beyond and probably forgotten.
Standard User R0NSKI
(member) Sat 16-Jun-12 20:22:30
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You missed a couple of methods I've used, plot the postcodes and the exchange. You can then work out the most logical route for the line to take, and the cabinet is usually located somewhere near where the line enters the area covered by the postcodes.

The other method that can work is to enter the postcodes covered into the BT Infinity checker, click the Can I get Infinity button and select I'm not with BT now enter 999 as the house number, and the postcode and click check now. You want a house number that won't be found as this will lead to another search box, now enter just the postcode and click search, if you try it with CT103AF you can see both the PCP and the DSlam.

This does not always work, and I have found PCP's listed under the wrong postcode, but it works 90% of the time.


There's acabinet here, but it looks like it may be 9, and it comes up with DSlam using HD8 8SD

There's one here, but no number - I think this may be yours.

Standard User PE06MCG
(newbie) Sat 16-Jun-12 20:38:24
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Sorry, was I reinventing the wheel?

Many thanks for extra info.

Your suspicion regarding my plastic BT box is spot on.
That indeed is the one I think is P17 however no number so I was looking at possible local alternatives for elimination purposes.
Standard User burakkucat
(experienced) Sat 16-Jun-12 20:41:02
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Please be aware that I am not connected with any division of the BT Group, so do not take my comments, etc, as definitive.

Openreach have been known to come back to an area and deploy further FTTC cabinets, as circumstances change. (Perhaps financial. ??) As for how long -- six months, a year? (I could ask the rhetorical question "How long is a piece of string?")

I would not expect a "small plastic unnamed / unnumbered" box to be the PCP. That said, is it wider than it is high? Possibly constructed of fibreglass? Perhaps you could show us a photograph of your "suspect"?

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Standard User PE06MCG
(newbie) Sat 16-Jun-12 20:44:53
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Thanks for help.

RONSKI on this thread has identified my plastic suspect with a photo.
It is definitely not metal and it is is smaller and has no markings other than 'BT'.
Standard User burakkucat
(experienced) Sat 16-Jun-12 21:02:06
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In reply to a post by R0NSKI:
There's a cabinet here, but it looks like it may be 9,
Purely by eye I would say that is either a 5 or a 9. Definitely not a 17.
<snip> There's one here, but no number <snip>
That's the fibreglass type I was thinking about, when I mentioned "wider than it is high" to the OP.

Edit: I have never known those squat fibreglass PCPs to be given a FTTC twin without the PCP itself being upgraded (i.e. replaced), to allow room for the tie-cables. That could account for the delay. frown

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Edited by burakkucat (Sat 16-Jun-12 21:12:47)

Standard User PE06MCG
(newbie) Sat 16-Jun-12 21:34:34
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In reply to a post by burakkucat:
I would not expect a "small plastic unnamed / unnumbered" box to be the PCP. That said, is it wider than it is high? Possibly constructed of fibreglass? Perhaps you could show us a photograph of your "suspect"?


Do you think my 'suspect' PCP17 is the genuine article or should I continue my area search for a more robust structure?
ISP Representative Adsl24
(isp) Sat 16-Jun-12 21:36:01
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The one you pointed out - http://goo.gl/maps/JONl is PCP17. Unfortunately it only serves 4 postcodes and it not being upgraded to FTTC. Whatever BT told you is not correct and they got that wrong.

The cab is not plastic by the way, and its a normal PCP, there are loads of these around the country. They are made of Fibre glass as others have mentioned smile These Fibre glass cabs were the norm before the newer metal PCP's were deployed. The cab is not the problem though, as many of these older cabs get FTTC, there is no technical problem (although its tight for space!)

James

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Edited by Adsl24 (Sat 16-Jun-12 21:38:31)

The above post has been made by an ISP REPRESENTATIVE (although not necessarily the ISP being discussed in the post).
Standard User greenglide
(committed) Sat 16-Jun-12 21:45:25
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In reply to a post by burakkucat:
In reply to a post by R0NSKI:
There's a cabinet here, but it looks like it may be 9,
Purely by eye I would say that is either a 5 or a 9. Definitely not a 17.
<snip> There's one here, but no number <snip>
That's the fibreglass type I was thinking about, when I mentioned "wider than it is high" to the OP.

Edit: I have never known those squat fibreglass PCPs to be given a FTTC twin without the PCP itself being upgraded (i.e. replaced), to allow room for the tie-cables. That could account for the delay. frown


Well mine has NEAT PCP 55 smile the fibreglass PCP has been retained (so far). The FTTC CAB has mains and tie cables in but is not live yet. Several others in the area seem to be retained as well.. Much digging in streets between us and the exchange frown

Ex <n>ildram , been to SKY MAX - 15,225 Download
BE Unlimited - 21,000 Download 1,200 Upload ON THE LINE THAT SKY COULD ONLY PROVIDE 15,255 DOWN AND 800 UP ON!!!,
Moved house, now BE Unlimited 6,500 Down, 1Mb/s up - gutted!
FTTC Cab installation commenced 12th April - expect full 80 / 20 - bye bye BE, hello BT Infinity soon!
Standard User PE06MCG
(newbie) Sat 16-Jun-12 21:48:54
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Many thanks for giving me this disappointing News.

At least I now know that it is poinless waiting for BT to make this FTTC so I might as well change my current BT phone with Be Broadband to Sky.
At long last Sky have put an LLU in Skelmanthorpe Exchange so I can go with them for financial and standardisation of phone bills.
Standard User burakkucat
(experienced) Sat 16-Jun-12 22:01:57
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In reply to a post by PE06MCG:
Do you think my 'suspect' PCP17 is the genuine article or should I continue my area search for a more robust structure?
Yes, that is it. No further searches are required.

Thanks due to James, for his ISP "insider" information.

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Standard User burakkucat
(experienced) Sat 16-Jun-12 22:11:02
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Thank for that information, James. I won't bore you with the history of PCPs, SCPs and TCPs from their introduction post-WWII but those late 1970s - early 1980s fibreglass cross-connection cabinets were preceded with ones constructed from cast-iron and were superseded with those constructed of pressed-steel.

Those fibreglass cabinets are almost impossible for one person to shut and fully lock. Much kicking and cursing was prevalent. "Fred" would often call "Bert" to come and help (learn on the front), whilst "Fred" operated the locks.

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Edited by burakkucat (Sat 16-Jun-12 23:52:36)

Standard User burakkucat
(experienced) Sat 16-Jun-12 22:14:05
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Well mine has NEAT PCP 55 smile the fibreglass PCP has been retained (so far). The FTTC CAB has mains and tie cables in but is not live yet. Several others in the area seem to be retained as well.. Much digging in streets between us and the exchange frown
Thank you for that information, GG. I've learnt something new. smile

You street excavations could be the result of blocked ducts.

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Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Sat 16-Jun-12 22:47:30
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In reply to a post by PE06MCG:
Do you think my 'suspect' PCP17 is the genuine article or should I continue my area search for a more robust structure?
As James has said.

See my photos page I linked to. It is the same as the one below the Huawei 128 FTTC cabinet. Coincidentally - number 17 smile.

My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk
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Standard User greenglide
(committed) Sat 16-Jun-12 23:20:13
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In reply to a post by burakkucat:
In reply to a post by greenglide:
Well mine has NEAT PCP 55 smile the fibreglass PCP has been retained (so far). The FTTC CAB has mains and tie cables in but is not live yet. Several others in the area seem to be retained as well.. Much digging in streets between us and the exchange frown
Thank you for that information, GG. I've learnt something new. smile

You street excavations could be the result of blocked ducts.


I am sure the digging is blocked ducts, what is worrying is that the road works keep on being extended even further down the same street and they arent planned for the end yetfrown

The reference to 1970s fibreglass PCPs is a little odd as it talks about 1970's but our estate was built in the very late 80's and it was farmland before that.

When first looking for the PCP I didnt realise that this was one!

Ex <n>ildram , been to SKY MAX - 15,225 Download
BE Unlimited - 21,000 Download 1,200 Upload ON THE LINE THAT SKY COULD ONLY PROVIDE 15,255 DOWN AND 800 UP ON!!!,
Moved house, now BE Unlimited 6,500 Down, 1Mb/s up - gutted!
FTTC Cab installation commenced 12th April - expect full 80 / 20 - bye bye BE, hello BT Infinity soon!
Standard User burakkucat
(experienced) Sun 17-Jun-12 00:03:07
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GG -- I really need to recheck some information but yes, a plain "1970s" does not look correct. I've made an edit to my original post so that it now reads "late 1970s - early 1980s" . . .

They originate from the time when Post Office Telecommunications thought that fibreglass was to way to proceed. "Fred", with the assistance of "Bert", showed the folly of that assumption.

There is a modern day parallel with "Beatie" and her XNTEs. They arrived, were rapidly found to be lacking (especially with a broadband service) and were finally declared verboten from November 2011.

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Standard User Zarjaz
(knowledge is power) Sun 17-Jun-12 09:00:00
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Those fibreglass cabinets are almost impossible for one person to shut and fully lock.

err ...... no they are not.

If you still struggle;

Push into place.

Hold in place with knee of choice.

Lock either top right or left, then opposing bottom lock.

Do the other two locks ....

Jobs a good 'un.

Standard User Zarjaz
(knowledge is power) Sun 17-Jun-12 09:08:19
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Edit: I have never known those squat fibreglass PCPs to be given a FTTC twin without the PCP itself being upgraded (i.e. replaced), to allow room for the tie-cables. That could account for the delay.

Your assumption is incorrect.

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