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Standard User Mancine
(newbie) Thu 21-Jun-12 20:01:25
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ADSL24 FTTC Router Question


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Hi guys, I'm already with ADSL24, with standard ADSL currently, and mulling over an upgrade to the FTTC package which has just gone live in my area.

This will require a new router - for which ADSL24 recommends certain routers:

http://adsl24.co.uk/support/fttc/

Out of these I'd probably go for a NetGear, but these are of course older models (the WNR2000, WNR3500L). What's wrong with the newer ones, exactly, can anyone enlighten me as to why these ones are recommended?

Particularly given that IPV6 is on the way - I believe some sites will be using the protocol next year, and doesn't that mean a router upgrade then, if yours doesn't support IPV6 (and I believe the above Netgear models don't)?

The router I'm tempted by is the ASUS RT-N66U, although I realise that is a pricey one, it'll hopefully last and has IPV6 support, read nothing but good things about it.

Anyone running this with an ADSL24 FTTC connection? Or am I advised to stick to the "recommended" routers, would love to hear any advice, or from James if he reads this....

Many thanks for any feedback in advance smile
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Thu 21-Jun-12 20:14:14
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I can't answer the basic question, but can tell you that it being ADSL24 is sort of irrelevant.

There are only three types of FTTC connection. BT Wholesale (WBC/WBMC), TalkTalk and Sky. The ADSL24 one will be WBC, which all except TT and Sky are as well. So the choice of router is just what the tech support at any particular ISP have decided they can recommend and train their staff to support. Obviously no ISP can assess and support every router on the market.

There is no underlying technical reason that I'm aware of.

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Standard User MHC
(legend) Thu 21-Jun-12 20:53:20
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Listen to what RobertoS has said - it is all there.

As for the ASUS - a quick review says yes it should be fine. However, wait until just before your connection uis upgraded and then if you do find an issue it is easy enough to return it.


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Standard User drws
(newbie) Thu 21-Jun-12 21:26:53
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I just bought an Asus N66U, very impressed.
Really good wifi signal strength, mine is currently only on 60mw power (out of 100mw for EU) and its the strongest signal I've had with any kit. (opposite corner of the house downstairs from the router)
Web interface is ok, lots of options but if you're into your Linux (I'm a Linux software dev) you can telnet to the box and you've got root access.
I've been using that to write my own scripts to monitor kit and custom ipv6 firewall rules.
The feature where you can plug in a USB drive and schedule downloads (http, FTP, BitTorrent, usenet) overnight when you might get a better bandwidth cap or lower contention has been quite useful.

I bought it thinking I was going to stick ddwrt or tomato on it but really it's quite configurable as is.

You can demo the GUI on Asus' website here:
http://service.asus.com/demoui/RT%2DN66U/EN/index.html

I'm currently using it on virgin media 50mb, but it's also been on a 1gb link when I wanted to test the throughput, I got just over 850mbps routing from wan to lan. (I suspect it was the server that bottlenecked it a bit)
In a few days time it is going to its final home on an AAISP FTTC connection. (customers of theirs will appriciate why I like the Asus can do my downloads between 2am and 6am for me!)

Edited by drws (Thu 21-Jun-12 21:35:58)

Moderator billford
(moderator) Thu 21-Jun-12 21:39:37
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In reply to a post by drws:
I just bought an Asus N66U, very impressed.
That looks like a very nice router... I'm running a Billion 7800N at the moment, but I miss the 5GHz band frown

Probably overkill for my needs and not cheap, but what the hell- I've only got one router at the moment, I feel much less vulnerable when I've got two smile

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Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Thu 21-Jun-12 22:40:57
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Have you got a cricket box?

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Moderator billford
(moderator) Thu 21-Jun-12 23:10:32
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No, but I like to cover all points in case the Billion throws a googly and I end up with ashes tongue

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Standard User Mancine
(newbie) Sun 24-Jun-12 16:04:06
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Hi guys, thanks for your responses, that all makes sense smile
Moderator billford
(moderator) Wed 27-Jun-12 09:57:26
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In reply to a post by drws:
I just bought an Asus N66U, very impressed.
I've been looking at a few reviews... generally very good, but this one indicates that it doesn't work too well with IPv6 (firmware version 3.1.0.76 according to the screenshot).

Is this something you've been able to check?

(I see you've been using it with Virgin, not sure if they support IPv6)

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Standard User drws
(newbie) Fri 29-Jun-12 20:30:21
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I'm still on 3.0.0.3.112 at the moment, which is the latest stable release on Asus' website.
3.1.x.x is the beta firmware.
in release notes for 3.0.0.3.108 an IPv6 fix was applied. Which was released after the last 3.1.x.x beta firmware.
http://uk.asus.com/Networks/Wireless_Routers/RTN66U/...

Going to move it over to my FTTC connection (from VM) this weekend where I can use the IPv6. (I've got several ipv6 servers on the net so I need it to work as well.)

I'll update in a few days...
Moderator billford
(moderator) Fri 29-Jun-12 20:54:00
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Thanks for that.

I found another review earlier today, dated later than the one I mentioned, that referred to version 3.0.0.3.108 and wondered about their numbering system crazy

It just confirmed that it supported IPv6 but didn't say whether it worked or not... maybe the reviewer didn't have an IPv6 connection tongue

The main thing is that they evidently knew about it and applied a fix... I'll be interested to hear how you get on, but I can see my credit card cowering in the corner as I type smile

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Standard User drws
(newbie) Sat 30-Jun-12 15:52:50
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ipv6 works fine on my aaisp link with the n66u.
setup as 'native' and entered my static ipv6 subnet and it worked. (Turn on RA to advertise to your local clients if you need to)
I went to test-ipv6.com and got 10/10 for ipv4 and ipv6.
And pass on http://ipv6test.google.com/

The pppoe MTU in the web interface won't let you enter numbers above 1492, but you can set it via telnet if you want 1500 byte mtu (assuming you're ISP supports it)
Standard User drws
(newbie) Sun 01-Jul-12 21:38:02
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Been another day on the N66U, still impressed.
I just found out that the firmware supports optware

I stuck a 32Gb USB pen drive in and have been adding a few extra packages to aid in the tinkering.
Anonymous
(Unregistered)Sat 28-Jul-12 14:44:39
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Hey folks, Mancine here (forgot my login), another quick couple of questions if you'll indulge me... will get the Asus N66 router methinks, but have to save a few pennies first... only thing is ADSL 24's offer on £30 FTTC installation closes at the end of July.

So if I order it and get upgraded, I can get the router later - and just run the BT Openreach VDSL modem as my internet connection. Can I run that over a homeplug powerline adapter?

As my modem is downstairs, at the phone point, and computers up in the study, upstairs - linked via homeplugs. If I plug the VDSL modem into the homeplug downstairs, will I be able to connect my PC upstairs, on the other end of the homeplug? (Or indeed, my 2 computers upstairs, both on homeplugs?). Probably a stupid question - don't see any reason why not??

Also, does an Xbox just plug straight into the VDSL modem and work? (So I can just temporarily switch between PC and XBox, by unplugging/plugging their respective ethernet cables in, until I buy my router, basically)?
Standard User BatBoy
(legend) Sat 28-Jul-12 14:49:42
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Yes, that will work. Alternatively if you get the Huawei HG612, you can load the hacked firmware and use it as a modem/router.


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(isp) Sat 28-Jul-12 20:42:08
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Yes, you can plug the router in to a homeplug, then plug the other homeplug in to your PC and then set up the PC to dial a PPPoE connection (until you get a router).

Yes, you can also pug in to an XBox and set the XBox to dial a PPPoE connection also I believe!

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Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Sat 28-Jul-12 21:49:51
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In reply to a post by Adsl24:
Yes, you can plug the router in to a homeplug
I think you mean plug the modem into a Homeplug.

I don't think the follow-up, of two computers on Homeplugs at the other end is going to work though, unless the modem is hacked and used as a modem/router.

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Standard User BatBoy
(legend) Sat 28-Jul-12 21:55:53
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or only one is plugged in at a time
In reply to a post by Anonymous:
(So I can just temporarily switch between PC and XBox, by unplugging/plugging their respective ethernet cables in, until I buy my router, basically)?



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Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Sat 28-Jul-12 22:13:53
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True, but I think he has three devices. Two computers and the XBox.

As you say, any one at a time should work so long as the others are not connected.

If he already has the Homeplugs, all well and good. If not, a waste of money buying them as 500Mbps or at least 200Mbps are needed.

My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk
My domains,website and mail hosting - Tsohost. Internet connection - Plusnet Value Fibre FTTC 80/20 trial.

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Anonymous
(Unregistered)Sun 29-Jul-12 18:29:33
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Thanks for the replies, guys, much appreciated. Yeah I have 2 PCs and an Xbox... aye, of course both PCs won't work at the same time, doh (without hacking or whatever, as you said!).

I do have Homeplugs already, yeah, although they're 3 years old now and the 85mbps Solwise variety. Is that not fast enough to carry the full bandwidth from FTTC? I'll probably get around 60Mbps on FTTC, according to the rough estimate - should that be the case, would my Homeplugs not handle that?

Actually saw another post of yours, RobertoS, and your recommedation to get the Buffalo AirStation Nfiniti WHR-G300... at that low price, tempted to grab that, for now, and upgrade in the future.

I'll just be using it wired though (is it possible to switch off wireless?) Also have read a few people moaning about the setup/interface, but take it you had no bother with it in that repect?
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Sun 29-Jul-12 22:41:04
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Yes you can switch off the wireless.

I tried twice to set it up manually and failed miserably. The Setup Wizard works perfectly. I usually hate the things, but this one is fine.

Are you sure the problems haven't been to do with the gigabit-LAN version? That's a different firmware by default - DD-WRT I think. The first couple I saw flashed it with the bog standard Buffalo firmware for it and it was OK then.

The interface on mine is OK except one of the lines is half-obscured. But what's there is easy enough to work out.

The fact it was so cheap, and could be sent back anyway, was the clincher for me.

I don't know if you also saw that when I moved to Plusnet FTTC from IDNet FTTC they supply a "free" Netgear N150 WNR1000. I've stopped using that as my primary connection is wireless and the Buffalo is better in that respect.

My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk
My domains,website and mail hosting - Tsohost. Internet connection - Plusnet Value Fibre FTTC 80/20 trial.

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Edited by RobertoS (Mon 30-Jul-12 07:43:28)

Anonymous
(Unregistered)Wed 01-Aug-12 18:26:06
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Thanks for all your help RobertoS, very much appreciated.

Have bought the "newer" version of the router on Amazon, as it was just £24! Bargain...

Looking forward to FTTC. Btw, you mentioned about 85Mbps homeplugs slowing the connection - will they not deliver the full bandwidth from a (say) 60Mbps FTTC connect?
Standard User simon194
(member) Wed 01-Aug-12 19:28:30
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In reply to a post by Anonymous:
Thanks for all your help RobertoS, very much appreciated.

Have bought the "newer" version of the router on Amazon, as it was just £24! Bargain...

Looking forward to FTTC. Btw, you mentioned about 85Mbps homeplugs slowing the connection - will they not deliver the full bandwidth from a (say) 60Mbps FTTC connect?

I wouldn't go for anything less that AV500 homeplugs. I had some AV200 that maxed out at about 25Mbps, they could only connect at about 70Mbps. I have some Solwise AV500's now, which connect at about 275Mbps, and they are quite happy transferring data at 110Mbps from my media server and around 30Mbps on my fibre connection (which can achieve 38Mbps direct from the router).

As a rule of thumb you can expect between a 15% and 35% reduction in throughput, depending on the brand, because the data is encrypted/decrypted in realtime between the plugs. The cheaper plugs tend to have the highest overhead because they generally use a slower ASIC to do the processing.
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Thanks Simon, guess I need to upgrade homeplugs or go wireless smile
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