Trying to get any details on FTTP is impossible.

The exchange near mine was listed by BT as in the Fibre rollout some time ago however it was one of the few to be marked as FTTC/P. Now, the majority of my friends will get FTTC and the checkers reflect this. For the few that can't due to their cabinet not being done I decided to try and comfort their disappointment by checking if they could get FTTP. I then just generally tried to find a FTTP checker but it seems almost impossible.

Getting details on FTTC but there is nothing for FTTP.

Has anyone found a way of checking what postcodes/phone numbers on a FTTC/P exchange will get FTTP?

Exchange is Prudhoe (NEPH) if anyone's interested.

Edited by Toonshorty (Sun 29-Jul-12 00:21:01)

The December 2011 data shows lots of FTTC, lots of Exchange Only and lots not scheduled. No mention of FTTP. That's the latest in the public domain. Where did you get your info?

There is a July issue that does have a lot more info, but I don't have access to it.

http://www.openreach.co.uk/orpg/home/products/super-...

Shows the type of fibre and planned date.

Most listed as FTTC but some are FTTC/P and others only FTTP.

The Dec 2011 document does only seem to cover FTTC. If you filter to FTTP then only one exchange shows up.

There are no FTTP cabs planned for that exchange, and the cabs are planned for Phase 8a (now) so it should not be long now.

There are no FTTP cabs planned for that exchange

Yes, because no cabinet needed an FTTP service.

In reply to a post by Adsl24:

There are no FTTP cabs planned for that exchange, and the cabs are planned for Phase 8a (now) so it should not be long now.

Right, so it's actually only an FTTC exchange then.

In which case why do BT bother marking some exchanges as FTTC/P and then not install any FTTP services?

In reply to a post by Toonshorty:

The Dec 2011 document does only seem to cover FTTC. If you filter to FTTP then only one exchange shows up.

CMEDG EDGBASTON B169LQ {CMEDG}{P2} 0 9% 6.44 7b Yes FTTP
CMERD ERDINGTON B249DH {CMERD}{P101} 0 2% 3.17 7a Yes FTTP
EACAX CAXTON CB236AF {EACAX}{P101} 0 3% 3.91 7b Yes FTTP
EMDRRBB DERBY DE11GU {EMDRRBB}{P101} 0 2% 7.97 7a Yes FTTP
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and so on. Each of those is the first entry of many for the exchange.

That's just in the first 64,000 rows of 1,218,000 or so .

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

In reply to a post by Toonshorty:

The Dec 2011 document does only seem to cover FTTC. If you filter to FTTP then only one exchange shows up.

CMEDG EDGBASTON B169LQ {CMEDG}{P2} 0 9% 6.44 7b Yes FTTP
CMERD ERDINGTON B249DH {CMERD}{P101} 0 2% 3.17 7a Yes FTTP
EACAX CAXTON CB236AF {EACAX}{P101} 0 3% 3.91 7b Yes FTTP
EMDRRBB DERBY DE11GU {EMDRRBB}{P101} 0 2% 7.97 7a Yes FTTP
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.
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and so on. Each of those is the first entry of many for the exchange.

That's just in the first 64,000 rows of 1,218,000 or so .

Odd, maybe I have a dodgy document.

Have you got a link to the full version you could PM me?

I expect with you talking about filtering you are using the Fusion Database that someone else , (Moradin perhaps), produced from the raw csv files. That Fusion file omits all EO and non-scheduled rows, though I didn't know it had any problems with FTTP.

You need both csv's.

When I used Open Office Calc on the previous data it worked but with a very messy layout. When the December stuff came along I had Excel here and that is fine.

Your data on there isn't going to change of course.

Edited by RobertoS (Sun 29-Jul-12 18:31:07)

EE

In reply to a post by Toonshorty:

In reply to a post by Adsl24:

There are no FTTP cabs planned for that exchange, and the cabs are planned for Phase 8a (now) so it should not be long now.

Right, so it's actually only an FTTC exchange then.

In which case why do BT bother marking some exchanges as FTTC/P and then not install any FTTP services?

Some exchanges will have some FTTP. The exchange I'm connect to has a small area of about 50 premises which will be getting FTTP.

In reply to a post by simon194:

EE

In reply to a post by Toonshorty:

In reply to a post by Adsl24:

There are no FTTP cabs planned for that exchange, and the cabs are planned for Phase 8a (now) so it should not be long now.

Right, so it's actually only an FTTC exchange then.

In which case why do BT bother marking some exchanges as FTTC/P and then not install any FTTP services?

Some exchanges will have some FTTP. The exchange I'm connect to has a small area of about 50 premises which will be getting FTTP.

Sure, that I understand.

The part I'm confused about is that it's marked as FTTC/P but EVERY postcode either gets FTTC or nothing. So unless BT are planning FTTP in the future then why mark it as FTTC/P?

Because they have only just launched FTTP as a commercial product, and the rollouts will get underway, as the bulk of the FTTC work is completed.

So areas with FTTC/P will get their mixture, but it may take some time for the FTTP to appear

I've seen no evidence of FTTP work being done here and i know it's the same for most FTTC/P towns, all the work on FTTC was done ages ago before the town went active, since then it appears no progress has been made, so what are openreach doing exactly?

Why should half a town get fibre while the rest waits with no information at all?

You would think that as soon as the FTTC half was complete they would move straight on to FTTP but as far as i can tell this just isn't happening, if they're not capable of delivering FTTP in a reasonable time frame or at all then they should given us FTTC by now, we don't know what's happening, whether we'll even get something in a year from now or not, how is that acceptable? when they start a job you should finish it, it's pathetic!

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

Because they have only just launched FTTP as a commercial product, and the rollouts will get underway, as the bulk of the FTTC work is completed.

So areas with FTTC/P will get their mixture, but it may take some time for the FTTP to appear

In my area rollout to the few getting FTTP isn't planned until 2014 unless the remaining 40 or so FTTC cabinets are installed/commissioned early and the last exchange is FTTC enabled.

In reply to a post by simon194:

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

Because they have only just launched FTTP as a commercial product, and the rollouts will get underway, as the bulk of the FTTC work is completed.

So areas with FTTC/P will get their mixture, but it may take some time for the FTTP to appear

In my area rollout to the few getting FTTP isn't planned until 2014 unless the remaining 40 or so FTTC cabinets are installed/commissioned early and the last exchange is FTTC enabled.

Really work should be done equally on both, unless something changes, seeing FTTP is as good as seeing NO FIBRE!, something really needs to be done, i wish more would get angry about this issue, it's horribly unfair to leave towns with a half a job done...

I think BT will be reappraising their FTTP schemes. From reading back on some of the pilot/test developments they were a complete disaster.

I believe the standard install (for a home, not even for the work 'behind the scenes') was 3 engineers for a half day. It often seemed to take from the Plusnet trial stories a while back that it was 6 engineers for 2 days or something equally as ridiculous because of duct blockages and other unexpected problems.

Personally, I think BT would be prudent to scrap all the FTTP deployments, and put FTTC in for now (with the 'FTTP on demand' option available for someone that *really* needs those speeds).

FTTH doesn't make any economic sense now for places that aren't big apartment blocks. FTTC with VDSL2 and soon, vectoring, is more than adequate for the next few years, unless you're a long distance from the cab, which is fairly unlikely.

In reply to a post by mr_mojo:

I think BT will be reappraising their FTTP schemes. From reading back on some of the pilot/test developments they were a complete disaster.

I believe the standard install (for a home, not even for the work 'behind the scenes') was 3 engineers for a half day. It often seemed to take from the Plusnet trial stories a while back that it was 6 engineers for 2 days or something equally as ridiculous because of duct blockages and other unexpected problems.

Personally, I think BT would be prudent to scrap all the FTTP deployments, and put FTTC in for now (with the 'FTTP on demand' option available for someone that *really* needs those speeds).

FTTH doesn't make any economic sense now for places that aren't big apartment blocks. FTTC with VDSL2 and soon, vectoring, is more than adequate for the next few years, unless you're a long distance from the cab, which is fairly unlikely.

The problems of fttc, will not go away and the long term view is that fttp is needed, vdsl 2 is only a stop gap product just like adsl, adsl2 is. Once the fibre is there, only the back end and cp equipment would need in future needs changing.

The only problem is the initial costs involved.

If you do want to use fttc, then deploy to as many cabs as possible in as many exchanges and then do phase 2 of fttp. One possible route is to bring dark fibre down to street level ready for on demand fttp.