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Standard User UKOnline
(fountain of knowledge) Wed 01-Aug-12 15:40:51
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BT Infinity or Sky fibre?


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Right Virgin media in my area have gone right [censored] with a minimum 3 week lead on fixing a major issue.

Basically I am paying for 100mb and getting about 0.5mb for about 14 hours. I normally get 100mb at 1am.

Anyway. I can get about 76/18mb on BT Infinity. And 40/10 or so on Sky.

I used to have Sky at a older house closer to the exchange and I liked it. Well more then I like Virgin atm.

So any opinions?

Cheers.
Standard User Xplosion
(learned) Wed 01-Aug-12 16:30:00
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This decision is all based on whether you use peer-to-peer. If you do use P2P then Sky is probably your best option as there is no traffic management, however the sheer speed of BT's offering might well weigh it out.

Compare each policy
BT: http://bt.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/10495...
Sky: http://www.sky.com/shop/terms-conditions/broadband/n...

If you do not use P2P then there's no reason to choose Sky because the product is slower, so go for BT Infinity.

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Standard User jchamier
(knowledge is power) Wed 01-Aug-12 16:34:15
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Re: BT Infinity or Sky fibre?


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In reply to a post by UKOnline:
Anyway. I can get about 76/18mb on BT Infinity. And 40/10 or so on Sky.


Sky do offer a Sky Unlimited Fibre Pro service, which should give the 76/18 that BT quote.

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Standard User Xplosion
(learned) Wed 01-Aug-12 16:36:04
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Re: BT Infinity or Sky fibre?


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In reply to a post by jchamier:
In reply to a post by UKOnline:
Anyway. I can get about 76/18mb on BT Infinity. And 40/10 or so on Sky.

Sky do offer a Sky Unlimited Fibre Pro service, which should give the 76/18 that BT quote.

Good idea, then the OP can get un-restricted P2P at them speeds too.

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Standard User simon194
(member) Wed 01-Aug-12 16:48:59
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Re: BT Infinity or Sky fibre?


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In reply to a post by jchamier:
In reply to a post by UKOnline:
Anyway. I can get about 76/18mb on BT Infinity. And 40/10 or so on Sky.


Sky do offer a Sky Unlimited Fibre Pro service, which should give the 76/18 that BT quote.

Sky Unlimited Fibre Pro is an 80/20 product so is a tad faster than BT's 76/19 offering if your line will support it although it is £4 more expensive than Infinity Option 2.
Standard User UKOnline
(fountain of knowledge) Wed 01-Aug-12 16:52:47
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Re: BT Infinity or Sky fibre?


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In reply to a post by UKOnline:
Anyway. I can get about 76/18mb on BT Infinity. And 40/10 or so on Sky.


Sky do offer a Sky Unlimited Fibre Pro service, which should give the 76/18 that BT quote.


I thought 40 was the highest with Sky for now. When I put my details in it just says 40mb.
Standard User Xplosion
(learned) Wed 01-Aug-12 16:58:16
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Re: BT Infinity or Sky fibre?


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I thought 40 was the highest with Sky for now. When I put my details in it just says 40mb.

Then that's probably your lot from Sky.

Edit: It says you need to call them for Sky Fibre Unlimited Pro

Sky Fibre Unlimited Pro
If you have even higher internet demands, you should try Sky Fibre Unlimited Pro. It costs £30 a month with Sky Talk Freetime and Sky Line Rental (£12.25 a month), and is available to new Sky Broadband customers in selected Sky Fibre areas.

Simply call 08442 410 602 to check availability and speed.


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Standard User UKOnline
(fountain of knowledge) Wed 01-Aug-12 16:59:24
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Re: BT Infinity or Sky fibre?


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Does it not run down the same line as BT?
Standard User Xplosion
(learned) Wed 01-Aug-12 17:00:24
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Does it not run down the same line as BT?

Yes I believe so

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Standard User UKOnline
(fountain of knowledge) Wed 01-Aug-12 17:01:14
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So why the massive difference?
Standard User StephenTodd
(member) Wed 01-Aug-12 17:03:10
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Sky seem very irregular about their 80/20 offering. You may find that you can get it if you ring them, or contact them on their website chat. I couldn't get it so went with BT. Some hiccups so far, but not too bad, and consistently fast upload (17Mbps of real upload) even when I was only getting 3.5Mbps down for a couple of days (now back to over 40, and I am hoping DML lets me back to 50 or 60 soon). Some of the issues were odd internal wiring (from GPO days, not bad, just different) which the OpenReach installer didn't notice despite my querying it; it would have been the same Openreach install for Sky as well.

If you do go for BT, ignore their speedtester other than for profile information. As I said above, I get real 17Mbps upload, but rarely above 10, usually 8, on the BT speedtesters.

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Standard User Xplosion
(learned) Wed 01-Aug-12 17:15:48
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So why the massive difference?

Just the different networks are set at different speeds.

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Standard User ukhardy07
(experienced) Wed 01-Aug-12 17:19:23
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Re: BT Infinity or Sky fibre?


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In reply to a post by UKOnline:
In reply to a post by jchamier:
In reply to a post by UKOnline:
Anyway. I can get about 76/18mb on BT Infinity. And 40/10 or so on Sky.


Sky do offer a Sky Unlimited Fibre Pro service, which should give the 76/18 that BT quote.


I thought 40 was the highest with Sky for now. When I put my details in it just says 40mb.


They can give you the pro on the phone. It's the same as BTs top option but without traffic management. It's a theroetical max of 80mb hence advertised as 76mb
Standard User UKOnline
(fountain of knowledge) Wed 01-Aug-12 17:35:50
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In reply to a post by UKOnline:
In reply to a post by jchamier:
... nested quotes trimmed ...


Sky do offer a Sky Unlimited Fibre Pro service, which should give the 76/18 that BT quote.


I thought 40 was the highest with Sky for now. When I put my details in it just says 40mb.


They can give you the pro on the phone. It's the same as BTs top option but without traffic management. It's a theroetical max of 80mb hence advertised as 76mb


Just rang them. They said about 70mb which I am happy about. Thanks people.
Standard User Xplosion
(learned) Wed 01-Aug-12 17:58:14
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Just rang them. They said about 70mb which I am happy about. Thanks people.


Awesome. Did you go ahead with an order?

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Standard User UKOnline
(fountain of knowledge) Wed 01-Aug-12 18:02:05
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I will be yes. Today was just getting prices.
Anonymous
(Unregistered)Wed 01-Aug-12 18:38:43
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I also have jumped ship to BT Infinity (business)

get 5 static IP which sky do not provide I believe, this was one of the selling points

(BT Business UK call centres also)
Standard User jchamier
(knowledge is power) Wed 01-Aug-12 19:12:16
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Re: BT Infinity or Sky fibre?


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In reply to a post by UKOnline:
So why the massive difference?

Just the different networks are set at different speeds.


No No No No !!

BT are complying with the Advertising Standards Authority as 76mbps is the fastest you can get on the "80" service. On the "40" service BT now call it 38mbps. Likewise for uploads.

Sky haven't updated their marketing.

Other ISPs have done the same thing, BE for example now sells an upto 16mbps service on the same technology that can achieve 24mbps on short lines.

Its all to do with how many customers can get that speed or something.

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Standard User dazb73
(newbie) Wed 01-Aug-12 20:45:40
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Re: BT Infinity or Sky fibre?


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With regards to p2p theres a way round that just use google, im no expert and ive worked my way around.
Standard User Chrysalis
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 04-Aug-12 10:45:32
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I think just 10% need to be able to get it on tcp throughput.
Standard User izools
(experienced) Tue 07-Aug-12 17:13:17
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Re: BT Infinity or Sky fibre?


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In reply to a post by Xplosion:
This decision is all based on whether you use peer-to-peer. If you do use P2P then Sky is probably your best option as there is no traffic management, however the sheer speed of BT's offering might well weigh it out.

Compare each policy
BT: http://bt.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/10495...
Sky: http://www.sky.com/shop/terms-conditions/broadband/n...

If you do not use P2P then there's no reason to choose Sky because the product is slower, so go for BT Infinity.


I have infinity and can download P2P at circa 8 megabytes a second with the right uTorrent settings.

Have downloaded over 10tb and uploaded over 2tb since it was installed in Jan and have had no signs of throttling or upset from BT smile

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Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Tue 07-Aug-12 22:57:54
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crazy

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Standard User dave2150
(experienced) Tue 07-Aug-12 23:22:15
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Re: BT Infinity or Sky fibre?


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In reply to a post by izools:
In reply to a post by Xplosion:
This decision is all based on whether you use peer-to-peer. If you do use P2P then Sky is probably your best option as there is no traffic management, however the sheer speed of BT's offering might well weigh it out.

Compare each policy
BT: http://bt.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/10495...
Sky: http://www.sky.com/shop/terms-conditions/broadband/n...

If you do not use P2P then there's no reason to choose Sky because the product is slower, so go for BT Infinity.


I have infinity and can download P2P at circa 8 megabytes a second with the right uTorrent settings.

Have downloaded over 10tb and uploaded over 2tb since it was installed in Jan and have had no signs of throttling or upset from BT smile


This is absolute nonsense, utorrent settings do not bypass all of BT's restrictions. More likely, you only download in their 'offpeak' hours and failed to state it.

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Standard User BatBoy
(legend) Tue 07-Aug-12 23:32:45
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This is absolute nonsense, utorrent settings do not bypass all of BT's restrictions.
You're wrong. It's true.


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Standard User Oliver341
(knowledge is power) Tue 07-Aug-12 23:59:10
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You're wrong. It's true.

Are you talking about utorrent's Bittorrent protocol encryption setting?

Oliver.
Standard User dave2150
(experienced) Wed 08-Aug-12 01:02:10
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This is absolute nonsense, utorrent settings do not bypass all of BT's restrictions.
You're wrong. It's true.


Proof? Didn't think so.

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Standard User izools
(experienced) Wed 08-Aug-12 01:50:52
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Re: BT Infinity or Sky fibre?


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In reply to a post by dave2150:
In reply to a post by izools:
In reply to a post by Xplosion:
This decision is all based on whether you use peer-to-peer. If you do use P2P then Sky is probably your best option as there is no traffic management, however the sheer speed of BT's offering might well weigh it out.

Compare each policy
BT: http://bt.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/10495...
Sky: http://www.sky.com/shop/terms-conditions/broadband/n...

If you do not use P2P then there's no reason to choose Sky because the product is slower, so go for BT Infinity.


I have infinity and can download P2P at circa 8 megabytes a second with the right uTorrent settings.

Have downloaded over 10tb and uploaded over 2tb since it was installed in Jan and have had no signs of throttling or upset from BT smile


This is absolute nonsense, utorrent settings do not bypass all of BT's restrictions. More likely, you only download in their 'offpeak' hours and failed to state it.


There's a lot more to it than that.

Max transport disposition setting, max halfopen connections, changing port each time you reconnect, forcing outgoing encryption and disallowing incoming legacy connections, is just the beginning.

I'll do a timestamped screenshot tomorrow afternoon for you to shut you up wink

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Standard User epyon
(experienced) Wed 08-Aug-12 06:57:39
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huh?

you gave no proof in the first place then asking for proof before waiting for him to get proof this is a forum not real time chat lol but what i will say it its varied

some bt customers have no p2p throttling while others have a lot.

p.s sky fibre is junk imo.

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