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Standard User Bob_s2
(committed) Tue 02-Oct-12 17:50:37
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BT FICTION


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Now many posters seemto think that the plaaned dates BT OPENREACH give are just place holders

I quote this piece of fiction from the BT Openreach Web Site

Quote". On my chosen Communications Provider’s line checker, the availability date for superfast fibre broadband has changed. Why is that?
A. On very rare occasions the deployment of a superfast fibre broadband cabinet can be effected by a number of issues . Typically these are : 1. Our underground duct routes are congested 2. There are utility cables where we want to lay ours 3. We have been unable to agree a suitable location with your local authority 4. The costs of providing electrical power have become excessive and meant the cabinet is no longer economic to deploy in that location."

BT have a very strange definition or rare. It does not tally with the dictionary definition

Perhaps they should change RARE to ON FREQUENT OCCASSIONS
Standard User Zarjaz
(knowledge is power) Tue 02-Oct-12 18:13:36
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If it upsets you so much, why, apparently, spend so much time and effort in hunting all this stuff down. You clearly have some beef with 'BT', so save your self upset, and stop looking in to these things and fretting about them.

Standard User Bob_s2
(committed) Tue 02-Oct-12 18:21:22
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Re: BT FICTION


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As the ASA say any information should be "Honest, Accurate & Truefull"
Would you say that what BT states there fulfills that criteria?


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Standard User Zarjaz
(knowledge is power) Tue 02-Oct-12 18:40:14
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{breeze}

Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Tue 02-Oct-12 18:52:30
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If it breaches ASA rules, then it is your duty to report it

Andrew Ferguson, [email protected]
www.thinkbroadband.com - formerly known as ADSLguide.org.uk
The author of the above post is a thinkbroadband staff member. It may not constitute an official statement on behalf of thinkbroadband.
Standard User MHC
(legend) Tue 02-Oct-12 19:06:40
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Standard User izools
(experienced) Tue 02-Oct-12 19:39:03
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Re: BT FICTION


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In reply to a post by Bob_s2:
As the ASA say any information should be "Honest, Accurate & Truefull"
Would you say that what BT states there fulfills that criteria?


Well if you think it doesn't don't come here there's nothing we can do about it, complaint to Openreach and the ASA.

Or alternatively, spend your time doing something pleasurable or constructive.

Go for a drive, or a swim, or the pub perhaps?

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Standard User R0NSKI
(committed) Tue 02-Oct-12 20:11:42
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He clearly has nothing else to do in life, and if he is working I expect his productivity is a big fat zero!

Standard User BatBoy
(legend) Tue 02-Oct-12 20:50:53
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Are you going to start a new thread on the same subject tomorrow, Bob?


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Standard User FRS_Plunderer
(fountain of knowledge) Tue 02-Oct-12 21:28:38
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lolz... don't listen to the bobby! keep going. I want a video documentary from you this time next week.

k thx bye.

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Standard User WWWombat
(experienced) Tue 02-Oct-12 21:37:51
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Re: BT FICTION


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The man can't even keep an argument straight when he starts the thread.

The first sentence is about placeholder dates.

The rest of the rant is about delays, and nothing to do with placeholders.

And... not a link in sight. Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose.
Standard User FRS_Plunderer
(fountain of knowledge) Tue 02-Oct-12 21:40:56
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reminds me of this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32swlxb053I

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Standard User WWWombat
(experienced) Tue 02-Oct-12 21:52:55
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That had me in stitches. Brilliant!
Standard User GMAN98
(experienced) Tue 02-Oct-12 22:07:05
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Bob you are a BT hating bore.


Please find something else to do with your life smile
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Tue 02-Oct-12 22:07:38
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Me too!

I particularly liked the "superior" bits.

My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk
Domains,website and mail hosting - Tsohost. Connection - Plusnet Extra Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 56.0/13.9Mbps @ 600m.

"Where talent is a dwarf, self-esteem is a giant." - Jean-Antoine Petit-Senn.
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Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Tue 02-Oct-12 22:12:14
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In reply to a post by GMAN98:
Bob you are a BT hating bore.


Please find something else to do with your life smile
He tried, but kept getting rejected.

I think his last job application was to the recruitment office for the new OR FTTC installation engineers. A major part of his CV was about his considerable experience with Kevlar, so he would be good at installing the fibre spines.

Maybe that particular rejection is the cause of the hate.

My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk
Domains,website and mail hosting - Tsohost. Connection - Plusnet Extra Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 56.0/13.9Mbps @ 600m.

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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Tue 02-Oct-12 22:12:25
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Re: BT FICTION


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Remember discuss the points not the person

Andrew Ferguson, [email protected]
www.thinkbroadband.com - formerly known as ADSLguide.org.uk
The author of the above post is a thinkbroadband staff member. It may not constitute an official statement on behalf of thinkbroadband.
Anonymous
(Unregistered)Tue 02-Oct-12 22:19:00
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Re: BT FICTION


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In reply to a post by Bob_s2:
As the ASA say any information should be "Honest, Accurate & Truefull"
Would you say that what BT states there fulfills that criteria?


Do you have any proof though?

If not it is an opinion not fact. Also Openreach are not a customer facing company, they do not sell any products to the consumer. You may find the ASA cannot rule against them as you cannot buy a product off them.

But put a complaint into the ASA and see what they say.
Standard User yarwell
(sensei) Tue 02-Oct-12 23:49:49
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please seek psychiatric help

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Standard User MCM
(fountain of knowledge) Wed 03-Oct-12 04:42:38
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In reply to a post by Bob_s2:
As the ASA say any information should be "Honest, Accurate & Truefull" ...
Such a shame the same isn't true for the vast majority of your posts.
Standard User BatBoy
(legend) Wed 03-Oct-12 08:24:26
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In reply to a post by MCM:
In reply to a post by Bob_s2:
As the ASA say any information should be "Honest, Accurate & Truefull" ...
Such a shame the same isn't true for the vast majority of your posts.
"Truefull"? Well, they're full of something...


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Standard User R0NSKI
(committed) Wed 03-Oct-12 08:43:29
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In reply to a post by FRS_Plunderer:
reminds me of this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32swlxb053I


LOL, thats so Bob!

Standard User Bob_s2
(committed) Wed 03-Oct-12 09:21:34
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Are you suggesting that is acceptable to put out at the very best highly misleading information and in my view incorrect and inaccurate information. I suggest you consult a dictionary and look up the meaning of RARE
Standard User Bob_s2
(committed) Wed 03-Oct-12 09:23:53
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The ASA's remit has been widened considerable. It does not have to be a customer facing organisation nor does it specifically have to be an advert
Standard User GMAN98
(experienced) Wed 03-Oct-12 09:34:52
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So what is stopping you complaining Bob, you seem to dedicate most of your time to crunching rollout spreadsheets, making wild claims and complaining about BT where ever you can and as much as possible. Might as well vent to the ASA well?
Anonymous
(Unregistered)Wed 03-Oct-12 09:57:04
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In reply to a post by Bob_s2:
Are you suggesting that is acceptable to put out at the very best highly misleading information and in my view incorrect and inaccurate information. I suggest you consult a dictionary and look up the meaning of RARE


I have indeed looked up the meaning of rare in the OED and it is a very subjective definition, not one that actually susbtansiates any conditions and in fact it uses terms that are also subjective.

And as you say it is YOUR VIEW so actually no proof what so ever as usual.
Standard User WWWombat
(experienced) Wed 03-Oct-12 15:56:59
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In reply to a post by Bob_s2:
Are you suggesting that [...]?

I love this tactic of Bob's.

He never actually answers any direct question you ask. He always turns the question back on you *and* screws your words into the worst possible connotation, *and* demands that you answer him instead: "Are you suggesting that..."

It's very akin to this tactic I've taken from an article on Troll Tactics:
  • They don't enter into the argument directly, but facilitate an argument between list members, e.g.: by highlighting points that one list member has made, perhaps in a way that is more confrontational than the original intention.

Not exactly, but very similar.

However, that's more of an advanced tactic, compared to these ones:
  • the use of provocative language and sweeping generalisations about certain topics or categories of people
  • a lack of in-depth understanding of the topic
  • a lack of personal information
  • a lack of a genuinely unique perspective on the topic
  • a lack of humour
  • restarting topics that have already been done
  • use of language that encourages the dialogue to enter topics that are controversial and likely to upset some team members
  • the use of an attention-seeking gimmick (e.g.: "I was once exploited by an XYZ")
  • they follow up their own articles if the group doesn't respond to their posts


Ho Hum.

Until we see better responses, it's probably better to act on the side of caution, and treat as any troll. Just don't respond.
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