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Hi all
Bit of a noob question I'm sure but I'm having infinity installed this coming Friday and as soon as the engineer has gone I will be ripping out the HH3 and putting my own router in so I want to know if I need to change it's default IP address to make sure it's different from the OR modem.
My current router uses 192.168.1.1 as it's IP. Is that gonna conflict with the OR modem?
I also have a NAS on 192.168.1.2 and a couple of media boxes using static IPs aswell. The rest of my network is just DHCP, which I assume is handled by the router and not the modem anyway.
Cheers!
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Bit of a noob question I'm sure but I'm having infinity installed this coming Friday and as soon as the engineer has gone I will be ripping out the HH3 and putting my own router in so I want to know if I need to change it's default IP address to make sure it's different from the OR modem.
The modem doesn't have an IP address unless you unlock it (Huawei HG612 can be easily unlocked but ECI is harder). If you do unlock then you can change the IP to anything you like (I did) which lets you look at the stats.
Don't touch the modem (don't even power it off) for at least 3 days after your install. You can play with the router/home hub.
Your own router will need to support PPPoE on an ethernet port but then you can get rid of the HomeHub3 - I swapped in my Draytek 2820Vn without any problem.
If you get faster than 45megabit then some older routers can't handle the speed and slow you down - so make sure you run speed tests from a PC connected to the HomeHub before you swap out.
James BT Infinity 2 19/09/2012 - Estimate 44.6/6.5 - Install 52/12 - Actual 46 / 8 Mbps
13 years of broadband - 1999 ntl:(512k/1M)/BTbusiness(2M)/Metronet(2M)/Bulldog(8M/16M)/BE(19M/16M)/BT FTTC(46M)
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Yes there will be a conflict. The OR modem (at least the Huawei HG6120) is set at 192.168.1.1. I expect the ECI one is as well, as the same Home Hub is used.
IIRC the Home Hub is set to 192.168.1.254, so if you change yours to that you should be OK.
You are correct that the OR modem does act as a simple modem, although it is in fact a modem/router that can be unlocked and some even use it as a two-port router.
I suggest you do not mess with the modem itself during the first two days, as the Openreach DLM is watching it more closely than normal for stability during them.
(Edit - and stop yours allocating 192.168.1.1. But I expect you already have it set to 192.168.1.3 upwards).
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Edited by RobertoS (Sun 04-Nov-12 17:14:42)
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Does anyone know if you have to use the HH3 at all - can't you just connect the Fibre Modem straight away to your equipment?
Thanks
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You don't need to use the hh3. Windows and Linux have built in PPPoE (Windows calls it a "broadband connection").
You can use the username [email protected] and leave the password blank (if you can't leave it blank, it'll accept anything).
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Yes you can, you just need a pppoe session to establish a connection.
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Thanks for the replies everyone, I'll post back with the results tomorrow when it's hopefully all up and running!
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Well Openreach guy has just left. I was impressed with him, quite a young fella but very enthusiastic and seemed interested when I was asking him about the tech etc!
Anyway got the full 80/20 sync and he showed me on his test gadget the max attainable rate was 117mbps down and 45mbps up! Pretty happy with that. This was even using the old figure of 8 drop wire which isn't even twisted pair so that's a relief.
I don't have any other line stats unfortunately and he supplied an ECI modem so no easy hacking for me 
Anyway I'm going to just leave it alone for the training period.
Here's the obligatory speed test!
http://www.speedtest.net/result/2296162321.png
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The old wire is probably thicker copper, so what you lose due to possible noise pickup you gain in lower attenuation.
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Anyway got the full 80/20 sync and he showed me on his test gadget the max attainable rate was 117mbps down and 45mbps up! Pretty happy with that. This was even using the old figure of 8 drop wire which isn't even twisted pair so that's a relief.
It will be interesting to see what the speedtest results are like over night. The figure of 8 wire will act as a wonderful aerial for background noise.
It is a pity that you did not mention it before or I would have asked you to run RouterStats and see what the SNR swing was from day to night.
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It is very thick copper. Commonly installed during the 70s/early 80s according to the chap which is around when the house was built.
The cable from the pole looks different - like the newer black cable they use. However that goes into a small box on the wall just underneath the guttering, and this old brown non twisted pair cable comes out of that. Probably 15-20 metres of it.
We used to lose about 3-4DB on the SNR on the ADSL2 line when the sun went down, although it was stable and never dropped. I've no way to get the line stats since the ECI modem is difficult to hack and I can't be bothered really. As long as it works 
The stats must be fairly good if he reckoned it is capable of 117mbps, so hopefully there is enough spare capacity there not to drop the link at night when it's noisier...
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Is the night time noise floor as relevant at the frequencies VDSL2 uses? Certainly once into FM band (whcih VDSL is not, but closer to than ADSL) this effect seems to be less.
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I agree the VDSL it is not in the VHF / FM frequency band but the background radiation from those does not really change over night.
It is the many transmitters down in the LF, MF and HF bands that will be picked up and there are a lot of those around. Many years back I designed a small transmitter running at 2182 kHz - at night it could be received in Cyprus (from the North of Scotland) and further afield.
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Will try to do some RF reading over the weekend
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Typically an MF or HF transmitter range will double or treble over night. LF - 30 to 300kHz, MF - 300kHz to 3MHz and HF - 3 to 30 MHz. Radio 4 is on 1500metres or 198kHz, there are many European stations that can be received at night that transmit in the same band.
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My noise margin varies much less over 24 hours on FTTC than it did on ADSL & 2+. Less than 1dB, whereas it was a fairly consistent 3.5dB. The DECT phone still gives it a fair kicking though.
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Connection - Plusnet Extra Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 53.5/15.2Mbps @ 600m. - BQM
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Edited by RobertoS (Fri 09-Nov-12 12:43:36)
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HF band is the key one for VDSL
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He told me I was only the 3rd connection in the cab aswell, so it will be interesting to see how crosstalk affects it as more people sign up.
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HF band is the key one for VDSL
For the top end downstream frequencies suffering high attenuation yes. However, even LF and MF will affect the lower end frequencies. I have seen Bin usage graphs of friends in the Elgin area (Hopeman and Lossiemouth exchanges) which have notches at 198, 693 and 810 kHz adversely affecting their ADSL upstream and downstream service.
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I have lost around 110-12 Mbps typically 15% from the maximum attainable.
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It is very thick copper. Commonly installed during the 70s/early 80s according to the chap which is around when the house was built.
I wouldn't bank on that.
The 'figure of eight' dropwire that was installed on our previous house in 1973 was copper coated steel. We were in the house for thirty years and our drop wire, which must have been the shortest on the pole was still going when we sold in 2003, yet most of the other houses had had these replaced due to the wire work hardening and breaking.
That said, I have seen some black insulated 2-core PO cable which did look more like copper. Our drop wire was grey in colour.
Cheers!
Clive
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That's exactly the drop cable that recently borked on our line - incredibly tough figure of eight cable with gunmetal grey insulation. It failed almost at the pole. A complete short circuit. There's still some of it left tacked down the exterior wall. It would be interesting to see how well it matches the impedance of CW1308 and the binder. The good fellows from Openreach had an unenviable task sorting out the mess - it must be the tallest pole for miles! Must have been a Californian Redwood in another life!
cheers, a
Edited by deleted (Sat 10-Nov-12 23:05:26)
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Well 11 days in and so far so good!
No line drops yet (touching wood) and still at the full 80/20 speed.
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when the open reach modem is set up for the first time by the engineer does he use a username and password for it? (getting bt infinity option 2 installed wednesday they done the box on the wall outside the house last week and i think its FTTH) i want to use my own fibre router after he has gone. im in a rented place so the bt account is my landlords.
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That sounds like FTTH. What was the speed estimate? That should tell us.
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Connection - Plusnet UnLim Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 54.0/14.9Mbps @ 600m. - BQM
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option 2 up to 76 Mb
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Was that the package you clicked on the website, or a speed estimate given you during the order process? It sounds like FTTC, and there is nothing needed on the wall outside.
Please can you tell us the exchange. Preferably your postcode. A picture of what they have just installed outside, uploaded somewhere, would be useful.
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Connection - Plusnet UnLim Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 54.0/14.9Mbps @ 600m. - BQM
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its a square grey box
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thats what the landlord said im in milton keynes MK10 9QR coming off bradwell abbey exchange
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The DSL checker indicates FTTP is available at that postcode
WBC FTTP Up to 330 Up to 30 -- Available
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thanks getting back to my question does the modem require a username and password? what the engineer installs
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They go in the router. You should be getting a Home Hub 3 in the post I believe, and that is an automatic setup once it is connected to the modem.
The BT Infinity FTTP speed is 160Mbps.
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Connection - Plusnet UnLim Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 54.0/14.9Mbps @ 600m. - BQM
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im in milton keynes MK10 9QR coming off bradwell abbey exchange
Bradwell Abbey was one of the area's used in Openreach's FTTP trial, so it's not surprising this person falls within FTTP coverage.
Edited by deleted (Sun 20-Jan-13 19:57:51)
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The OP isn't in MK and had FTTC installed in November, whereupon the thread went to sleep.
Quite what is has to do with the current query is a mystery, but we seem to have answered it .
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Connection - Plusnet UnLim Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 54.0/14.9Mbps @ 600m. - BQM
"Where talent is a dwarf, self-esteem is a giant." - Jean-Antoine Petit-Senn.
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I meant the poster I was replying to being in FTTP coverage, not the original poster (who I'd forgotten was someone different).
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thanks getting back to my question does the modem require a username and password? what the engineer installs No, the fibre "modem" doesn't need a username and password.
However, the Homehub 3 needs a username and password for the PPPOE session, and the built-in ones are " [email protected]" with a blank password.
I believe if you use your own 3rd party router, you may find it runs a bit faster.
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yeah is it the landlords bt account username and password (im using [email protected] now in my routers/modem settings on the adsl? will it be this)
so the modem dont have username and password that engineer puts in? just router?
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yeah thanks i thought as much thanks for all your feedback not interested in the home hub 3 rubbish on adsl and most people are changing it on infinity its not to bad if you get the ver 3 one i have two i have used and they are collecting dust in garage. oh here is the router i plan to use if anyone is interested N600 Wireless Dual Band Gigabit Router TL-WDR3600
http://goo.gl/rN9U5
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You should be fine with that username. You can use anything for the password as it's ignored.
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thanks again and sorry for hijacking this thread !
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That is a 'customer splice point' so the service is to be over fibre.
The ONTE fitted by the installing engineer is just set up so the the kit at the 'other' end knows what which ONTE is connecting through. Any PPP details will be generated by the router ..... so yes, once the engineer has gone, you can use your own router, as long as it has a configurable WAN port, you're laughing.
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What interested me( ....ahhh maybe I'm dumb) is that the box has a wire from inside the outside wall. But the OP hasn't mentioned anything inside the house.
I would have expected a feed from ground level outside?
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Connection - Plusnet UnLim Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 54.0/14.9Mbps @ 600m. - BQM
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What interested me( ....ahhh maybe I'm dumb) is that the box has a wire from inside the outside wall. But the OP hasn't mentioned anything inside the house.
I would have expected a feed from ground level outside?
Install isn't done yet. Fibre drop will be installed, fusion spliced and placed within that box, ONT installed and off you go.
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But the wire goes in through what appears to be an unsealed hole in the wall, with no drip loop. So what is it, and where does it go? Surely the OP would have said if it went into the house, even if only tied in a kot?
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Connection - Plusnet UnLim Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 54.0/14.9Mbps @ 600m. - BQM
"Where talent is a dwarf, self-esteem is a giant." - Jean-Antoine Petit-Senn.
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But the wire goes in through what appears to be an unsealed hole in the wall, with no drip loop. So what is it, and where does it go? Surely the OP would have said if it went into the house, even if only tied in a knot?
The cable beneath is the blown fibre tube. Why it comes from inside to out, at a guess, the existing UG duct is coming up inside that wall.
A ruggedised four strand fibre will be run in from this box to be run in to where the ONTE is required. No drip loops, you have to maintain a bend radius.
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Thanks.
My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk | Domains,website and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Plusnet UnLim Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 54.0/14.9Mbps @ 600m. - BQM
"Where talent is a dwarf, self-esteem is a giant." - Jean-Antoine Petit-Senn.
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