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Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Thu 03-Jan-13 20:03:57
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Was there any need whatsoever to quote the whole of WWWombat's post, in fact any of it?

Please delete the whole of the quote. We have all read the original, you are not replying to specific points, and it is absolutely clear from the layout of these forums and the post headers to which post you are replying.

Pain! Pain! Pain!

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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Thu 03-Jan-13 20:08:08
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Was there any need whatsoever to quote the whole of WWWombat's post, in fact any of it?

Please delete the whole of the quote. We have all read the original, you are not replying to specific points, and it is absolutely clear from the layout of these forums and the post headers to which post you are replying.

Pain! Pain! Pain!


Good lord is there any need to spout off like a spoilt child either. There are ways of asking/instructing/guiding.

Just registered and getting into an interesting discussion and then the post police arrive.

I will remove it but be warned your welcome post and conduct is a very poor reflection on this website.

Grow a pair !

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Standard User jchamier
(knowledge is power) Thu 03-Jan-13 20:17:45
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the post police arrive.

Not really fair to RobertoS who posted what a lot of people would have said.

Unlike many other forum sites, this one has Reply and Quote as separate buttons, and is threaded so you can reply to an individual and not just replying to the thread. Its very like Usenet of old (NNTP) and very unlike any other internet web forum.

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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Thu 03-Jan-13 20:26:38
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In reply to a post by jchamier:
In reply to a post by WrathOfKain:
the post police arrive.

Not really fair to RobertoS who posted what a lot of people would have said.

Unlike many other forum sites, this one has Reply and Quote as separate buttons, and is threaded so you can reply to an individual and not just replying to the thread. Its very like Usenet of old (NNTP) and very unlike any other internet web forum.


I would like to think "alot of people" would have taken a far more civil approach albeit the more I read this thread the more I think "gang of bullies".
Standard User deleted
(deleted) Thu 03-Jan-13 20:36:37
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Yes BT will be investing alot but there is a reason for the investment and BT will make "alot" of money from a pot investment which is not 100% BT's.

I do find the reporting of % complete highly misleading and imho a deliberate smoke and mirrors approach. I have asked BT Outreach to provide me with the % enabled purely on my exchange. I doubt they will give me a clear and honest answer but I will come back with their resonse .... assuming I get one.

Please advise how you determined the 80-90% figure. Certainly from my experience there isnt a single person I know in the area that can get FTTS. Of course I dont know "everyone" but I am reasonably well networked in the community and have also tried various postcodes and addresses through infinity line checker etc

Ultimately, BT Group are a business who are entitled to make commercial investments. Without the money invested in the commercial roll-out by BT Group and their City investors, there would be almost no FTTx availability. We would be limited to Virgin Media's cable service for those properties passed by their network, plus the very small amount of availability from niche operators and the very limited (to date) BT roll-out involving public money (especially in Cornwall).


I doubt you'll get a response to your query about your exchange area, as such a figure is volatile and commercially sensitive. BT are not a public body who are required to respond to Freedom of Information requests, and any attempt to get this information from public sector partners using FoI legislation is likely to be rebuffed under the commercial confidentiality exemption.

It is well known that an exchange 'accepting orders' does not necessarily mean FTTx service is available. The intended end-user must be served from a PCP with a live FTTC twin, or be within the active FTTP footprint. Indeed, just because an exchange is live for an ADSL service doesn't mean that it's possible to provide that service on your line - the line may be too long or of too poor quality to work reliably.


I suggest that the average member of the public has no idea about the topology of the BT Openreach network, but will understand the idea of being connected to a particular exchange. They will understand that there's no chance of service unless their exchange is 'accepting orders', and that if they are on an 'accepting orders' exchange, their line must undergo an availability check first.


Once an exchange is 'accepting orders', the underpinnings are in place for subsequent in-fill. There are issues still to be overcome with the BT Openreach system, especially what to do with exchange only lines, and how to maximise the existing FTTC investment via the likely deployment of vectoring and profile 30a. However, there will always be lines where FTTC service cannot be provided, as the distance to the FTTC cabinet is just too long or the metallic path is of too poor quality, and where FTTP is uneconomic to provide even with public subsidy.

I can't see the government imposing a 100% universal service obligation on BT Openreach for FTTx in the foreseeable future. Such an obligation looks impossible until the time when the network is becoming fibre-only. On products where there is a universal service obligation, BT are entitled to pass on a sizeable proportion of construction costs involved.
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Thu 03-Jan-13 20:51:21
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In reply to a post by RobertoS:
Was there any need whatsoever to quote the whole of WWWombat's post, in fact any of it?

Please delete the whole of the quote. We have all read the original, you are not replying to specific points, and it is absolutely clear from the layout of these forums and the post headers to which post you are replying.

Pain! Pain! Pain!


Good lord is there any need to spout off like a spoilt child either. There are ways of asking/instructing/guiding.

Just registered and getting into an interesting discussion and then the post police arrive.

I will remove it but be warned your welcome post and conduct is a very poor reflection on this website.

Grow a pair !


Good lord I didn't expect you to agree to remove that huge unnecessary quote. I look forward to seeing it accomplished smile.

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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Thu 03-Jan-13 21:19:46
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I doubt I will get a response either like I said before ..... certainly not an accurate one.

Your probably right just the same as they would not be able to do what they are doing without the various additional fundings etc and council/goverement backing. I am sure both are writing down alot of the costs to local authorities where there are significant infrastructre adjustments required.

Yes I am aware of the AO not being a garuntee that you will be getting it but they should make that clearer and in my experience for my area I dont know of anybody that has got it. If they feel it suitable to announce that the exchange is now live then I think they should also announce just how many people in the exchange footprint can and have upgraded,

Like was said before there is alot of anecdotes and conjectures floating around but coming into this this as relatively a green hat I personally only see BT Failure in my circumstances and I am sure there will be more to come.

They may attempt to follow the smoke and mirrors approach but I think and hope joe blogs will become savy and start seeing it for what it is.

Anyway I dont think its worthwhile continuing this discussion. There are clearly some strong opinions (some quite valid I must add) on the topic and I doubt that anything I or any other newly registered user will be able to contribute to this thread without being brow beaten.

Seriously the worst welcome and engagement I have ever had from an online forum. Place needs a personality overhaul.

Thanks to those of you that attempted to inform rather than ridicule. It must take some restraint not to fully follow the pack.

Anyway I wont be back.
Standard User deleted
(deleted) Thu 03-Jan-13 21:24:19
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In reply to a post by RobertoS:
In reply to a post by Bob_s2:
THe average person trying to extablish whether they can get BT Infinity faces a barrage of confusing and disjointed and inconsistant information
Particularly if they come to these forums and have the misfortune to read any of your posts.

The completely daft thing is that on this particular point - one person discovering the time at which they can order FTTC on their line, with reasonable accuracy - I fully agree with Bob.

If your cabinet doesn't go live with the AO date for the full exchange, and you don't know that the checker throws out placeholder dates with abandon (and subsequently abandons them with abandon), you are completely in the dark.

If Bob used this thread to complain about that aspect, I'd agree entirely.

Unfortunately, he uses the problems that happen at an individual line, cabinet & exchange level and tries to extrapolate to a national level... and it just doesn't work.
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Thu 03-Jan-13 21:36:02
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Awww. Can't you do what you said you would? Delete that stuff earlier?

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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Thu 03-Jan-13 21:57:20
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Awww. Can't you do what you said you would? Delete that stuff earlier?


Your a credit to ...... none!

Leaving the post to remind you of your p1ss poor attitude.
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