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Standard User Magsy
(committed) Fri 04-Jan-13 15:30:48
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Re: FTTC modem IP address


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Sorta true..

Doesn't the router in this case form a PPPOE tunnel to the modem? if that has the same IP as a machine on your LAN, how does the router know which interface to use? (IE. LAN or WAN ethernet interface)

Probably possible with a static route or depending on router options/abilities, so whilst your modem won't be on the internal network, the router will see both.

We do not do this in Enterprise, you should have them in a different subnet, even if just for neatness.
Standard User kasg
(experienced) Fri 04-Jan-13 15:38:43
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The modem won't be on your network so the won't be a conflict.

It is if you are connected to it through the second LAN port.

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Standard User MHC
(sensei) Fri 04-Jan-13 15:46:38
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That is dealt with by allocating an appropriate IP address to the modem that is within the network range but outside the DHCP allocatable range. Takes a matter of seconds once the firmware is updated.


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Standard User kasg
(experienced) Fri 04-Jan-13 15:47:59
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That is dealt with by allocating an appropriate IP address to the modem that is within the network range but outside the DHCP allocatable range. Takes a matter of seconds once the firmware is updated.

I know! smile

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Standard User BatBoy
(legend) Fri 04-Jan-13 17:14:09
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I know!


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Standard User BatBoy
(legend) Fri 04-Jan-13 17:15:24
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The router can't see the LAN side of the modem through the PPPoE connection.


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Standard User Uilebheist
(legend) Fri 04-Jan-13 17:31:56
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Re: FTTC modem IP address


[re: Magsy] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by Magsy:
Doesn't the router in this case form a PPPOE tunnel to the modem? if that has the same IP as a machine on your LAN, how does the router know which interface to use? (IE. LAN or WAN ethernet interface)

No.
The pppoe connection sends ethernet packets between the router and the modem, but these are not IP packets and have no IP address. All the router need to know is which interface to use, not which IP address to connect to: e.g in my rouer I have "plugin pppoe eth1" in the ppp configuration, no need to mention an IP address as the interface name ("eth1") is the only information needed (this is for an ADSL router in bridge mode, but pppoe is the same for everybody!). The only IP address involved will be the one obtained while setting up the PPP session, and that has nothing to do with any IP address assigned to the modem itself - I suppose you could refer to it as a PPP tunnel to the ISP using PPPoE - all the modem is doing is encoding/decoding packets to/from the VDSL link, without even looking inside the packets (*).
Of course, if you mean that you need to access the modem for configuration/statistics, this will need a static route to the modem - otherwise the router will send IP packets which you mean for the modem itself over PPP to the ISP and that won't really work. What will happen in this case is that you bave both pppoe packets (headed in the direction of your ISP) and IP packets (headed to the modem) on the same interface. This will cause no confict.

(*) "without even looking inside the packets"... with the possible exception of a qos setting which will need to look inside the packets to decide how to deal with them, but that's irrelevant and I'm only mentioning it before some other pedant does.
Standard User MadMan
(knowledge is power) Wed 09-Jan-13 15:50:56
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I had a feeling that it would fail.

Plusnet emailed me yesterday, saying that Openreach had informed them, that the cab didn't have working fibre after all frown

So it's now showing as 31/3/13 & not AO.

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Standard User Uilebheist
(legend) Wed 09-Jan-13 16:07:19
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Openreach

I think the correct spelling if "OpenJoke"
Standard User MHC
(sensei) Wed 09-Jan-13 16:12:30
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[re: MadMan] [link to this post]
 
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I had a feeling that it would fail.

Plusnet emailed me yesterday, saying that Openreach had informed them, that the cab didn't have working fibre after all frown

So it's now showing as 31/3/13 & not AO.


Working Fibre - that could mean that fibre is installed and as you suggest, no power! Can you get more details ? There could be a lot of reasons - no sub-con available, local authority will not give approval to close road, it is a long run for the power ...


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