Not really, that's the end of the Openreach access network as it says, doesn't mean that Openreach don't consider the active NTE their property. The document specifically states that any extension wiring is the customers' property so the access network has to end there for obvious reasons.

I'll update once I've heard back.

No, you're right - I never even considered that Openreach would be wrong but your mate would be right. Honest.

One man's excess is another man's compelling argument

In reply to a post by BatBoy:

No, no, I posted the link (much) earlier in this thread.

You are being obstructive again! You just told me that you have posted it.

Anyway, same old, if you mean this.

In reference to www1.btwebworld.com/sinet/498v4p2.pdf:

This document does not form a part of any contract with BT customers or suppliers.

has no legal standing.

And is contradicted by systemx's link.

In reply to a post by BatBoy:

No, you're right - I never even considered that Openreach would be wrong but your mate would be right. Honest.

Spare me the juvenile sarcasm. As I said:

EDIT: I'll ask a contact from Openreach about this, see if he can confirm. Have been liaising with him over a few issues so he should be able to supply reliable information.

He's not my 'mate' but a contact within Openreach and as I said while I doubt it's the case I will ask him to confirm one way or the other and if he confirms what you say that's all good. I have not said at any point that my 'mate' disagreed as it being Sunday night he likely had better things to do than read his email.

If Openreach have no employees who get things wrong they're the only company of any size I've ever known who have employees who can answer each and every question.

What I meant was why would your mate be more trustworthy than someone paid to respond to my query?

Wrong, the SIN is published to meet BT's legal obligations, whereas systemx's link has no legal authority at all.

In reply to a post by BatBoy:

What I meant was why would your mate be more trustworthy than someone paid to respond to my query?

I'll respond with another question. If you have a query regarding an ISP's network who would you regard as more trustworthy, the technical support guy paid to respond to your query or the network engineer who works on and makes changes to the network on a daily basis even though he isn't paid to respond to your query?

Same kinda thing here. I'll update when I hear back, we are talking later today anyway on other matters.

Where's it say that anyway?

Maybe BT's legal obligations towards the state, not towards its end-users, who are not even in contract with it..

Edited by XRaySpeX (Mon 07-Jan-13 02:43:25)

In reply to a post by XRaySpeX:

Where's it say that anyway?

Maybe BT's legal obligations towards the state, not towards its end-users, who are not even in contract with it..

I've already posted it earlier on.

Looking at it in legal terms, is it not better that the VDSL Modem remains the property of Openreach.

Being Mains-powered equipment, there is always the possibility of it causing fire etc.

That could affect insurance coverage and claims.

Should one inform the home/premises insurers of the presence of such equipment, possibly and probably owned by a Third Party?

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Regarding removal of the VDSL Modem, typically when moving house, is there any advantage to doing so?


If the new house does not have FTTC installed, a new VDSL modem would be installed if that service is ordered etc.

If the new house does have FTTC with all items present, then that VDSL Modem is not required.

Leaving only the situation where the previous owner has removed a VDSL Modem.

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It has some slight resemblance to the "Venetian Blind Conumdrum".

Take them to the new house, then discover they don't fit. What happens then?



Or as occurred when we moved in to a new house which had been the Show House.

Another couple purchased the Show House carpets, for their similar new house further along.

On trying to fit those carpets in their new house, the couple discovered the house was a mirror-image or opposite-handed compared to the Show House.