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Standard User R0NSKI
(experienced) Sun 13-Jan-13 09:23:42
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Wholesale checker showing cabinet number


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I've just noticed the wholesale checker has changed and is now showing the cabinet number.

http://www.dslchecker.bt.com/pls/adsl/ADSLChecker.Ad...

CHECKER


Address on Exchange BROADSTAIRS is served by Cabinet 18

Available Products
Downstream Line Rate(Mbps)
Upstream Line Rate(Mbps)
Downstream Range(Mbps)
Availability Date

Featured Products
WBC FTTC Up to 57 Up to 20 -- Available
WBC ADSL 2+ Up to 6 -- 4 to 8 Available
WBC ADSL 2+ Annex M Up to 6 Up to 1 4 to 8 Available
ADSL Max Up to 5 -- 3.5 to 7.5 Available
WBC Fixed Rate 2 -- -- Available
Fixed Rate 2 -- -- Available
Other Offerings
Fibre Multicast -- -- -- Available






For all ADSL and WBC Fibre to the Cabinet (FTTC) services, the stable line rate will be determined during the first 10 days of service usage. Throughput/download speeds will be less than line rates and can be affected by a number of factors within and external to BT's network, Communication Providers' networks and within customer premises.

The Stop Sale date for Datastream is from 30-Jun-2012; the Formal Retirement date for Datastream is from 31-Dec-2013. The Stop Sale date for IPstream is from 31-Dec-2012; the Formal Retirement date for IPstream is from 31-Dec-2013.
Note: If you decide to place an order for a WBC fibre product, an appointment may be required for an engineer to visit the end user's premises to supply the service.

Please note that postcode and address check results are indicative only. Most accurate results can be obtained from a telephone number check.

Thank you for your interest.


Much clearer and much more useful, also shows the same for telephone numbers.

Edit. Just checked an address which doesn't have an FTTC estimate (although cab is scheduled on roadworks.org), and it doesn't show the cabinet number. Wonder if they are updating all records or just ones with/scheduled for FTTC/P.

Edited by R0NSKI (Sun 13-Jan-13 09:38:47)

Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Sun 13-Jan-13 09:37:35
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Weeheeeee!!! smile

That is just sooooo much better.

(I'm amused by the things it tells us will be withdrawn from sale last year tongue).

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Standard User R0NSKI
(experienced) Sun 13-Jan-13 09:39:19
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Just checked an address which doesn't have an FTTC estimate (although cab is scheduled on roadworks.org), and it doesn't show the cabinet number. Wonder if they are updating all records or just ones with/scheduled for FTTC/P.


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Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Sun 13-Jan-13 09:43:23
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How silly frown.

What about one with a scheduled date in the checker?

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Standard User R0NSKI
(experienced) Sun 13-Jan-13 09:48:44
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I've just done my weekly cabinet check, the majority show the cabinet number, but some don't. Some don't show any ADSL services either, but show that FTTC will be available.

BROADBAND AVAILABILITY CHECKER
Address on Exchange BROADSTAIRS

Available Products


Downstream Line Rate(Mbps)


Upstream Line Rate(Mbps)


Downstream Range(Mbps)


Availability Date

Featured Products
WBC ADSL 2+ Up to 15 -- 8.5 to 19 Available
ADSL Max Up to 7 -- 6 to 8 Available
WBC Fixed Rate 2 -- -- Available
Fixed Rate 2 -- -- Available

For all ADSL and WBC Fibre to the Cabinet (FTTC) services, the stable line rate will be determined during the first 10 days of service usage. Throughput/download speeds will be less than line rates and can be affected by a number of factors within and external to BT's network, Communication Providers' networks and within customer premises.

The Stop Sale date for Datastream is from 30-Jun-2012; the Formal Retirement date for Datastream is from 31-Dec-2013. The Stop Sale date for IPstream is from 31-Dec-2012; the Formal Retirement date for IPstream is from 31-Dec-2013.
Note: Please note that postcode and address check results are indicative only. Most accurate results can be obtained from a telephone number check.

Thank you for your interest.


Posted the wrong one there.

BROADBAND AVAILABILITY CHECKER
Address on Exchange BROADSTAIRS is served by Cabinet 4

Available Products


Downstream Line Rate(Mbps)


Upstream Line Rate(Mbps)


Downstream Range(Mbps)


Availability Date

Featured Products
WBC FTTC Up to 80 Up to 20 -- Available
Other Offerings
Fibre Multicast -- -- -- Available

For all ADSL and WBC Fibre to the Cabinet (FTTC) services, the stable line rate will be determined during the first 10 days of service usage. Throughput/download speeds will be less than line rates and can be affected by a number of factors within and external to BT's network, Communication Providers' networks and within customer premises.

The Stop Sale date for Datastream is from 30-Jun-2012; the Formal Retirement date for Datastream is from 31-Dec-2013. The Stop Sale date for IPstream is from 31-Dec-2012; the Formal Retirement date for IPstream is from 31-Dec-2013.
Note: If you decide to place an order for a WBC fibre product, an appointment may be required for an engineer to visit the end user's premises to supply the service.

Please note that postcode and address check results are indicative only. Most accurate results can be obtained from a telephone number check.

Thank you for your interest.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:
How silly frown.

What about one with a scheduled date in the checker?


They show the place holder date under the availability column.

Edited by R0NSKI (Sun 13-Jan-13 09:57:29)

Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Sun 13-Jan-13 09:59:23
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That "quote" doesn't answer the question tongue. What you've written tries to.

What I'm getting at is people want to know their cabinet number so they can see how far away it is and whether or not anything is happening. It's understandable if it doesn't show a cabinet number if here is no FTTC estimate/schedule, but if it doesn't when there is then it's a completely damp squib.

It appears to be querying the FTTC deployment database, but if it is only looking at lines that have it installed it doesn't help at all. Just a Work Experience job for some student, to make it look prettier.

And
[moan]did they really have to reiterate the 10-day mantra for FTTC frown [/moan]

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Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Sun 13-Jan-13 10:02:32
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My previous post was being typed while you edited in the second example. My q remains - does it give the cab number when there is an estimated date?

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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Sun 13-Jan-13 10:10:24
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My exchange is "Not currently in rollout plans" but the checker does now show my cabinet number.
I assume this means that it is a more widespread change than just enabled cabinets.
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Sun 13-Jan-13 10:26:16
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Maybe it is highly automated. Querying several databases, and a person with two screens typing in the cabinet number from one to the other tongue. So may complete in a week.

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Standard User robertcrowther
(regular) Sun 13-Jan-13 10:33:24
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In reply to a post by RobertoS:
My previous post was being typed while you edited in the second example. My q remains - does it give the cab number when there is an estimated date?


This question is best answered by BT themselves, other wise it could lead to misinformation (again).
Standard User deleted
(deleted) Sun 13-Jan-13 10:40:20
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Just trying a few examples (addresses that my family has a connection to) shows that this checker can show a cabinet number when FTTC is planned (on the Bedford exchange) and where there are no current plans for FTTC (on the Stalham exchange).

Others have found addresses where no cabinet number is shown.

There's no misinformation involved - the new checker can show cabinet numbers, but does not necessarily do so.
Standard User R0NSKI
(experienced) Sun 13-Jan-13 10:45:45
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In reply to a post by RobertoS:
That "quote" doesn't answer the question tongue. What you've written tries to.


Sorry was in a hurry - breakfast time, and I'll get it in the neck if I don't go down for breakfast!

In answer to your question, yes it does show cabinet numbers for future FTTC ready dates, but not always, perhaps it is a work in progress.

At least it's a big step in the right direction, and hopefully it's just taking a while to update the database.

There does appear to be some alterations to the database as well, one of the addresses I check via house number & postcode used to come up with two addresses to choose from (in different roads) now it goes straight to the correct address.

And as an example:

Address somewhere on Exchange RAMSGATE is served by Cabinet 1

Available Products


Downstream Line Rate(Mbps)


Upstream Line Rate(Mbps)


Downstream Range(Mbps)


Availability Date

Featured Products
WBC FTTC Up to 80 Up to 20 -- 31-Mar-13
WBC ADSL 2+ Up to 15 -- 8.5 to 19 Available
WBC ADSL 2+ Annex M Up to 15 Up to 1.5 8.5 to 19 Available
ADSL Max Up to 7 -- 6 to 8 Available
WBC Fixed Rate 2 -- -- Available
Fixed Rate 2 -- -- Available
Other Offerings
Fibre Multicast -- -- -- 31-Mar-13


Edited by R0NSKI (Sun 13-Jan-13 10:47:52)

Standard User robertcrowther
(regular) Sun 13-Jan-13 10:52:10
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In reply to a post by David_W:
Just trying a few examples (addresses that my family has a connection to) shows that this checker can show a cabinet number when FTTC is planned (on the Bedford exchange) and where there are no current plans for FTTC (on the Stalham exchange).

Others have found addresses where no cabinet number is shown.

There's no misinformation involved - the new checker can show cabinet numbers, but does not necessarily do so.


The question that someone asked was "does it give the cab number when there is an estimated date?"

Answering this at without more time and conformation from BT could lead to misinformation. i.e. No the checker does or does not.
Standard User R0NSKI
(experienced) Sun 13-Jan-13 10:57:39
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In reply to a post by robertcrowther:
The question that someone asked was "does it give the cab number when there is an estimated date?"

Answering this at without more time and conformation from BT could lead to misinformation. i.e. No the checker does or does not.

I've answered this in the only way possible, as it clearly stands at the moment, the only answer is not always.

In reply to a post by R0NSKI:
In answer to your question, yes it does show cabinet numbers for future FTTC ready dates, but not always, perhaps it is a work in progress.


Standard User deleted
(deleted) Sun 13-Jan-13 11:04:02
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Great news.

Even better for me is that it shows I'm on a cabinet when I expected to be direct from the exchange.
( Unless cabinet 40 means EO. smile )

Of course, I now have to find the cabinet so I can check progress when Nelson gets FTTC later this year.
Standard User deleted
(deleted) Sun 13-Jan-13 11:11:52
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FWIW I tried a few phone numbers and got a cab number in each case where there's an FTTC estimate; it also gave a cab number in most cases where there is no plans for FTTC, except one but I think they have an exchange line: ADSL2+ attenuation is 6dB and the exchange is literally across the road from them.
I also tried a few by address, but a lot of them returned "the address could not be matched". Seems unlikely but perhaps the work is not complete yet. Where it worked, the address check gave the same results as the phone number check.
Certainly the information is now provided in a cleaner way and a bit of rework was long overdue tongue

Edited by deleted (Sun 13-Jan-13 11:12:45)

Standard User Chrysalis
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 13-Jan-13 11:22:18
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is this accurate for FTTC?

For all ADSL and WBC Fibre to the Cabinet (FTTC) services, the stable line rate will be determined during the first 10 days of service usage. Throughput/download speeds will be less than line rates and can be affected by a number of factors within and external to BT's network, Communication Providers' networks and within customer premises.


No training mentioned in openreach docs and is no MSR?

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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Sun 13-Jan-13 11:35:21
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In reply to a post by robertcrowther:
In reply to a post by David_W:
Just trying a few examples (addresses that my family has a connection to) shows that this checker can show a cabinet number when FTTC is planned (on the Bedford exchange) and where there are no current plans for FTTC (on the Stalham exchange).

Others have found addresses where no cabinet number is shown.

There's no misinformation involved - the new checker can show cabinet numbers, but does not necessarily do so.


The question that someone asked was "does it give the cab number when there is an estimated date?"

Answering this at without more time and conformation from BT could lead to misinformation. i.e. No the checker does or does not.

I don't see what your issue is.

The new checker often provides cabinet numbers, but does not necessarily do so. If you get a cabinet number from the new checker, there's no need to e-mail NGA Enquiries to ask for the number. If no cabinet number is shown, you can e-mail to ask, as before.


BT aren't going to confirm the behaviour of the checker just to prove a point on a forum, not least as they may then be holding it out to do something it does not.


It seems that your real concern is whether there is any significance to this checker not showing a cabinet number. Unless BT confirm otherwise, the lack of a cabinet number does not necessarily imply an exchange only line. In such an instance, the advice should be to e-mail NGA Enquiries as before.

A single example of a cabinet served line where this checker shows no cabinet number is conclusive proof that there is no significance without needing to ask BT, as a single counterexample disproves a hypothesis.
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(deleted) Sun 13-Jan-13 11:40:23
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In reply to a post by David_W:
A single example of a cabinet served line where this checker shows no cabinet number is conclusive proof that there is no significance without needing to ask BT, as a single counterexample disproves a hypothesis.
Do we know what the checker now reports for EO lines?
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(deleted) Sun 13-Jan-13 11:43:50
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Have checked various adrresses on my postcode, which is a good one to check as served by 3 Cabinets and has some EO lines. 2 of the Cabinets are live and the third gives Mar 2013 estimation date.
All adreeses checked give a cabinet number (wether live or estimated date) except a couple which only give exchange connected to.
So would assume these are the EO lines but doesn't specifclly say it is EO.

Also checked some friends numbers who are on an exchange which has only just got WBC ADSL2+, so no FTTC even thought about for them. The result for them also shows cabinet they are connected to.

So can probably deduce from this that assuming checker is completey updated that any check which doesn't show a Cabinet is likey to be an EO line.
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(deleted) Sun 13-Jan-13 11:46:43
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I tried it with what I am fairly sure is an EO line and it didn't say anything about cabinets, but didn't say "EO line" or anything like that.
Is there a way to check if a line is EO apart from guessing (or emailing nga.enquiries)?
Edit - I just did an address check providing the address and postcode of my exchange - it didn't even say which exchange these premises are connected to. Hmmm. But the building next door (which I expect is a EO line!) gave exchange name but no mention of cabinets or anything.

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Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Sun 13-Jan-13 12:04:56
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In reply to a post by R0NSKI:
In reply to a post by robertcrowther:
The question that someone asked was "does it give the cab number when there is an estimated date?"

Answering this at without more time and conformation from BT could lead to misinformation. i.e. No the checker does or does not.

I've answered this in the only way possible, as it clearly stands at the moment, the only answer is not always.

In reply to a post by R0NSKI:
In answer to your question, yes it does show cabinet numbers for future FTTC ready dates, but not always, perhaps it is a work in progress.
Precisely.

Shame about the resident troll.

As for his asking for BT "conformation", I'm fairly sure they do conform to all relevant standards. Unlike Microsoft.

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Standard User robertcrowther
(regular) Sun 13-Jan-13 12:08:32
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In reply to a post by RobertoS:
In reply to a post by R0NSKI:
In reply to a post by robertcrowther:
The question that someone asked was "does it give the cab number when there is an estimated date?"

Answering this at without more time and conformation from BT could lead to misinformation. i.e. No the checker does or does not.

I've answered this in the only way possible, as it clearly stands at the moment, the only answer is not always.

In reply to a post by R0NSKI:
In answer to your question, yes it does show cabinet numbers for future FTTC ready dates, but not always, perhaps it is a work in progress.
Precisely.

Shame about the resident troll.

As for his asking for BT "conformation", I'm fairly sure they do conform to all relevant standards. Unlike Microsoft.


Oh dear, shame you don't know what a troll is (By the way, slagging Microsoft off is a form of trolling)
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In reply to a post by robertcrowther:
By the way, slagging Microsoft off is a form of trolling

But the only mention of Microsoft was a statement of fact. Is that supposed to be trolling?
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Sun 13-Jan-13 12:16:36
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And trolling can be used in the meaning of targeting particular people with no good reason for the purpose of annoying them. That was my usage above.

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Standard User robertcrowther
(regular) Sun 13-Jan-13 12:22:55
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In reply to a post by RobertoS:
And trolling can be used in the meaning of targeting particular people with no good reason for the purpose of annoying them. That was my usage above.


I'm glad you've admitted that you are a troll.
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Standard User uno
(knowledge is power) Sun 13-Jan-13 12:51:59
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Have just tried with my Mum's number who is EO gave:

Telephone Number 01297xxxxx on Exchange HAWKCHURCH


Trying another number on the same exchange did show a cab.

No 21CN/FTTC and neither are planned.

Matt

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Edited by uno (Sun 13-Jan-13 12:52:22)

Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Sun 13-Jan-13 13:19:52
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Odder and odder. My joking post begins to look more and more true.

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http://www.hackersdictionary.com/html/entry/ten-fing... ?
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The updates are possibly done overnight - which is during the day in India.
Standard User adebov
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 13-Jan-13 13:31:12
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Maybe that's why it takes so long for the result to appear smile

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Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Sun 13-Jan-13 14:01:31
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Thank you. Yes smile.

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Well, you may have typed that as a joke, but I've seen a variation of it used for real, in the Army (but I'm not saying which country, as I think I'm still not allowed to give out this sort of information).
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In reply to a post by Uilebheist:
Well, you may have typed that as a joke, but I've seen a variation of it used for real, in the Army
When I was at Aldermaston the upmarket version of that was used for external email, ie sneakernet.

The email machine was stand-alone, and incoming and outgoing emails periodically transferred between the site WAN and the internet via removable media (a Bernoulli iirc), and virus-scanned in each direction.

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Standard User R0NSKI
(experienced) Sun 13-Jan-13 14:30:35
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In reply to a post by TTEnt:
So can probably deduce from this that assuming checker is completey updated that any check which doesn't show a Cabinet is likey to be an EO line.


I've just checked some EO lines and they just say the exchange, I've also checked some lines which are on a cabinet and it still doesn't always state the cabinet number. Hopefully this will update as time goes on, but for the moment if there is no cabinet number mentioned, you can still be on a cabinet.

It might just take some time to update, like the super fast where when site did, when that was updated to show some cabinet information.

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(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 13-Jan-13 15:08:37
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Explains why ADSl is so naff around here, not only do the cables have to double back to get here, but they end at a cabinet that is also further away.
Also explains why people around here can only get just over the minimum speed of fibre.

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Standard User simon194
(committed) Sun 13-Jan-13 17:15:35
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In reply to a post by Uilebheist:
FWIW I tried a few phone numbers and got a cab number in each case where there's an FTTC estimate; it also gave a cab number in most cases where there is no plans for FTTC, except one but I think they have an exchange line: ADSL2+ attenuation is 6dB and the exchange is literally across the road from them.

My parent's line has 6dB attenuation (assuming the router isn't telling porkies) but they are connected to a cabinet 500m up the road which doubles back to the exchange which is about 300m in the opposite direction. Admittedly it's only WBC ADSL (no ADSL2+ or fibre planned for the area) so the attenuation will be a bit lower.
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(fountain of knowledge) Sun 13-Jan-13 17:24:45
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I do not like the new checker. It is not consistent with what people want to see, e.g. what can I have at my house/address.

Phone number checker: Can not tell as on a non bt line. just sais non bt line.
Address Checker: shows the service currently enabled, FTTC in my case, but not adsl types
Postcode Checker: Shows the ADSL types but does not show FTTC is available.

hmmmmmm.

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(deleted) Sun 13-Jan-13 17:39:45
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I tried it on a sky line and it says:

Phone number checker: Can not tell as on a non bt line. just says non bt line.
Address Checker: shows the service currently enabled, ADSL and types, but not FTTC
Postcode Checker: Shows the ADSL types and also when FTTC is planned and estimated speed.
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Sun 13-Jan-13 17:57:34
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But you must admit, Adrian, BT's forecasting so many years ago of where you were going to live was pretty accurate.

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(sensei) Sun 13-Jan-13 17:58:42
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My parent's line has 6dB attenuation (assuming the router isn't telling porkies)
Sounds like porkies. Check again sometime smile.

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(deleted) Sun 13-Jan-13 18:00:05
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I know that my line is destined for full FTTP at some future date but have never found any official confirmation of this. The results for my nu phone number show the standard ADSL results but nothing about fibre. Except that the first line after the table says:

Our records show the following FTTP network service information for these premises:- Single Dwelling Unit Residential .

No one else has mentioned this on their results. So I wonder whether this if official confirmation of the FTTP future even if no date is suggested.
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(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 13-Jan-13 20:22:52
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seems a regression here.

no mention of FTTC at my address or cabinet number.

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Standard User bgriffiths
(committed) Sun 13-Jan-13 22:33:17
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In reply to a post by brightd:
I know that my line is destined for full FTTP at some future date but have never found any official confirmation of this. The results for my nu phone number show the standard ADSL results but nothing about fibre. Except that the first line after the table says:

Our records show the following FTTP network service information for these premises:- Single Dwelling Unit Residential .

No one else has mentioned this on their results. So I wonder whether this if official confirmation of the FTTP future even if no date is suggested.


Same here - I'm hoping it might just be the long awaited confirmation that it is actually available (been expecting it for a year now), but you might be right, only confirming that we will get it eventually

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(deleted) Mon 14-Jan-13 08:43:04
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I would have expected to see FTTP in the table of available products if it was already available. There is a new hole in the ground with a new pavement cover just over the road from my house. I expect that BT have to fill that with some equipment before I can order, and that has not happened yet.
Standard User jelv
(knowledge is power) Mon 14-Jan-13 08:52:09
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Just checked my number and it is showing the cabinet number - my exchange doesn't have fibre.

http://www.superfast-openreach.co.uk/where-and-when/ says for my exchange"Not currently in rollout plans"

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Standard User zyborg47
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 14-Jan-13 10:20:24
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But you must admit, Adrian, BT's forecasting so many years ago of where you were going to live was pretty accurate.


er?

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Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Mon 14-Jan-13 10:22:26
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Well, everyone's out to get you, and they had the foresight to route their cabling to screw you tongue smile.

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Standard User bgriffiths
(committed) Mon 14-Jan-13 12:39:49
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In reply to a post by brightd:
I would have expected to see FTTP in the table of available products if it was already available.

...and having now found a few addresses where I know fttp IS available that is indeed the case. When I first saw the table I had a thought that it was only showing services available on the number from the listed cabinet. As strictly fttp is not served from the cabinet (inded in our case not even from the same exchange) it looked for a moment as though availability was being shown separately

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Standard User tempest3k
(newbie) Mon 14-Jan-13 13:27:01
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Looks to me like they have started putting info into their systems for areas where they intend to roll out FTTP:

Telephone Number 0xxxxxxxxxx on Exchange MELROSEGATE is served by Cabinet 28

Available Products


Downstream Line Rate(Mbps)


Upstream Line Rate(Mbps)


Downstream Range(Mbps)


Availability Date

Featured Products
WBC ADSL 2+ Up to 7 -- 4.5 to 11.5 Available
WBC ADSL 2+ Annex M Up to 7 Up to 1 4.5 to 11.5 Available
ADSL Max Up to 5.5 -- 4 to 8 Available
WBC Fixed Rate 1 -- -- Available
Fixed Rate 1 -- -- Available

Our records show the following FTTP network service information for these premises:- Multi Dwelling Unit Residential .

For all ADSL and WBC Fibre to the Cabinet (FTTC) services, the stable line rate will be determined during the first 10 days of service usage. Throughput/download speeds will be less than line rates and can be affected by a number of factors within and external to BT's network, Communication Providers' networks and within customer premises.

The Stop Sale date for Datastream is from 30-Jun-2012; the Formal Retirement date for Datastream is from 30-Nov-2013. The Stop Sale date for IPstream is from 30-Nov-2012; the Formal Retirement date for IPstream is from 30-Nov-2013.
Standard User zyborg47
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 14-Jan-13 18:31:02
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Well, everyone's out to get you, and they had the foresight to route their cabling to screw you tongue smile.


i have no idea what you are on about. do i trust companies and government ? no, but out to get me is a different thing.

Anyway the cables was here before I was even born, it was the building of the new exchange that mucked them up as BT could not be bothered to spend a bit of money to redirect them, but then the internet was not really on BT minds at that time.

Makes little difference to me at the moment, i don't use Bloated toad cables.

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(deleted) Mon 14-Jan-13 23:31:51
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I am sure I am opening myself up to abuse here - but wondered if some kind sole could help make any sense of my cabinets data. Doesn't seem to deny or confirm FTTC availability unless I am mistaken...

Telephone Number 01767xxxxxx on Exchange BIGGLESWADE is served by Cabinet 28
Available Products

DwnStr Rate(Mbps) | UpStr Rate(Mbps) | DwnStr Range(Mbps) | Avail. Date

WBC ADSL 2+______| Up to 1.5 |-----------| 1 to 3.5 | Available
ADSL Max_________| Up to 1.5 |-----------|0.5 to 2.5| Available
WBC Fixed Rate____|-----1-----|----------|----------| Available
Fixed Rate________|-----1-----|-----------|----------| Available

For all ADSL and WBC Fibre to the Cabinet (FTTC) services, the stable line rate will be determined during the first 10 days of service usage. Throughput/download speeds will be less than line rates and can be affected by a number of factors within and external to BT's network, Communication Providers' networks and within customer premises.

The Stop Sale date for Datastream is from 30-Jun-2012; the Formal Retirement date for Datastream is from 31-Dec-2013. The Stop Sale date for IPstream is from 31-Dec-2012; the Formal Retirement date for IPstream is from 31-Dec-2013.

Please enlighten me.
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(sensei) Mon 14-Jan-13 23:59:21
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Welcome to the forums smile
In reply to a post by fjay:
I am sure I am opening myself up to abuse here
Only for having such a daft thought tongue.
- but wondered if some kind sole could help make any sense of my cabinets data. Doesn't seem to deny or confirm FTTC availability unless I am mistaken.
Basically even before the revamp of the layout a couple of days ago, this checker never did deny anything. It only ever showed what was available, until it started gving scheduled FTTC dates and estimated speeds. Their absence implied no useful information was available.

In the last few months however it has become a bit unreliable regarding the FTTC forecast. It certainly does in 99.9% of cases correctly report if it is available, as in mine:-

Above the WBC ADSL2+ line mine has the FTTC estimate:-

WBC FTTC		Up to 51.7	Up to 13.2--	Available
WBC ADSL 2+	Up to 3	--	2.5 to 6.5	Available
...
...
Two things you can do.

1) Check your postcode using this checker;

2) Depending on what that says, find that cabinet and keep an eye open for work near it to plant an FTTC cabinet partner

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In reply to a post by fjay:
I am sure I am opening myself up to abuse here - but wondered if some kind sole could help make any sense of my cabinets data. Doesn't seem to deny or confirm FTTC availability unless I am mistaken...

Telephone Number 01767xxxxxx on Exchange BIGGLESWADE is served by Cabinet 28


Ah, you probably live on the Kings Reach development. 2000 brand new houses, with all mod-cons, connected to the world via BT's state of the art wet string technology.

BT have no plans to upgrade either cab 28 (which you're connected to, and is down by the roundabout at Saxon Drive), or cab 25, which is smack in the middle of the estate and probably nearer to your house.

They're not commercially viable apparently (probably less than 400 lines at the moment). BT suggest we wait until Central Beds council get going with their BDUK plans, and fork over some tax money to them to sort it out...
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Yeah you nailed it... I don't know why you would build 2000 homes and not plan to put fibre down on the first pass...? Blows my mind
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Up to the developer and Openreach, from Openreach view a new estate will take time to fill up so they will wait and then deploy later on either via their commerical rollout or via BDUK to reach the target figures for the county.

Alot of new developments are now going FTTP, all depends on the work in the planning stage by the developer.
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(deleted) Mon 21-Jan-13 22:18:28
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Hmm odd. The checker was showing the cabinet number for our house, but now its not.

We don't have fiber yet, and was just checking as our Fiber cab was installed last week. Hopefully this is only a temporary blip and they aren't removing functionality from it, as it was useful to know.
Standard User R0NSKI
(experienced) Mon 21-Jan-13 22:25:32
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Still showing mine just now, and I checked others earlier and they all showed cabinet numbers.

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It's still showing cabinet numbers for our two lines - one which has active FTTC and one which has no broadband of any description (FTTx or ADSL).
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(sensei) Mon 21-Jan-13 23:00:35
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In reply to a post by dogcat:
Hmm odd. The checker was showing the cabinet number for our house, but now its not.

We don't have fiber yet, and was just checking as our Fiber cab was installed last week. Hopefully this is only a temporary blip and they aren't removing functionality from it, as it was useful to know.
LOL
The cabinet number isn't going to change! tongue

Has the FTTC speed estimate also disappeared? That often means it will be live in a few days.

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(deleted) Tue 22-Jan-13 09:48:26
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Hmmm, I just checked 4 numbers (in 4 different exchanges) and it showed the cabinet in all cases.
edit - one on an enabled cabinet, one on an enabled exchange but the cabinet not even planned, one on a "coming soon" exchange and one on an exchange not in the rollout plans. Any combination I missed apart from the enabled exchange, cabinet "coming soon" for which I can't think of a number to try?

Edited by deleted (Tue 22-Jan-13 09:50:47)

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(experienced) Tue 22-Jan-13 10:08:31
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I checked about 11 different cabinets last night, all showed cabinet numbers and estimated date of 31 March.

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