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Standard User Oliver341
(knowledge is power) Wed 23-Jan-13 13:02:47
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100% take-up of FTTC


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Could the current FTTC rollout, eventually, support 100% take-up? Or would the number and/or size of cabinets required for this in streets make this impossible?

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Standard User kitcat
(member) Wed 23-Jan-13 13:38:29
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Re: 100% take-up of FTTC


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I think it is possible.

It appears that the kit has already shrunk since the rollout started so it is possible that 1 fibre cab could cater for 384 customers against 400 in a standard copper cab. The fun would be fitting the 800 ties in the old cab ( 400 in 400 out).

If it got so far you could remove the old copper cab completely and reterminate the pairs direct to the new cab.
Standard User izools
(experienced) Wed 23-Jan-13 20:17:31
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There have also been reports of second fibre cabs being added to the same PCP to cater for takeup so yes, I would imagine 100% takeup would be possible in this manner.

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Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Wed 23-Jan-13 20:55:50
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In reply to a post by kitcat:
If it got so far you could remove the old copper cab completely and reterminate the pairs direct to the new cab.
Voice?

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Standard User R0NSKI
(experienced) Wed 23-Jan-13 23:11:08
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Voice would still work, all lines come from the exchange and go into the FTTC cab and come back out to the EU, so voice is never disconnected, that is what he means. (off course presuming the FTTC cab had the capacity)

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Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Wed 23-Jan-13 23:29:16
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In reply to a post by R0NSKI:
... (off course presuming the FTTC cab had the capacity)
There you have it.

I gather you mean combining a PCP and DSLAM installation in one cabinet. That is what I took the poster to mean, but was querying whether or not he had really thought it through, having the D-side and E-side copper for both FTTC cabinets, and appropriate links.

It would possibly also mean engineers having access to the DSLAM equipment, which appears not to be desired by Openreach.

I think this idea is highly unlikely.

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Standard User Zadeks
(experienced) Sat 26-Jan-13 12:55:25
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Yes. They will add another cab if necessary.

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Standard User Oliver341
(knowledge is power) Sat 26-Jan-13 13:28:32
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Yes. They will add another cab if necessary.

Indeed. The question is whether they will add another 10 cabinets if necessary. smile

Oliver.
Standard User Zadeks
(experienced) Sat 26-Jan-13 13:30:02
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10? tongue

How many lines does the PCP service?
Standard User zyborg47
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 26-Jan-13 13:34:14
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I have already heard of peoples fibre slowing down and when they complain they are told it is congestion. one person told me they was better off on ADSL and if things don't improve in the next few months as their contract will end then, they will go back onto ADSL. cheaper and faster.

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Standard User Oliver341
(knowledge is power) Sat 26-Jan-13 13:37:03
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In reply to a post by Zadeks:
10? tongue

How many lines does the PCP service?

Yeah, that's part of the question. I'm not sure how many FTTC cabs it would take to service a substantial POTS cab.

Oliver.
Standard User yarwell
(sensei) Sat 26-Jan-13 14:24:15
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the CIR of the Openreach fibre connection is 20M or sync speed on the 40M product, are they slowing below that ?

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Standard User Ignitionnet
(knowledge is power) Sat 26-Jan-13 16:35:54
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the CIR of the Openreach fibre connection is 20M or sync speed on the 40M product, are they slowing below that ?


That covers the Openreach segment only, the congestion will be on the CP network.
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Sat 26-Jan-13 17:10:15
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Which of course may now be bad for that cp's adsl service too

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Standard User MadMan
(knowledge is power) Sat 26-Jan-13 17:22:09
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The old cabs (large cast iron type) had a max of 1600, if 200 pair crimp verticals were used.

A large modern type, is about 1800 if the (yuck) French version of Krone connectors are used (can't remember their name, but they're rubbish).

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Standard User partial
(member) Sat 26-Jan-13 18:01:08
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Quante SID system, a 3M product.
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