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Hi All,
I have been patiently waiting for our local fibre cab to be built. Every few months BT push the date back. I started to think it might be a planning issue, so i checked our council planning site. I found that back in 2010 a local resident objected to the cab and since then nothing has happened!
My question is, what can I do? Do they expect my local area to suffer 3mb speeds (on a good day) cause someone doesn't like the cab on the street?
Link to letter: http://i.imgur.com/oLOaXPI.jpg
I think this is the cab on Google Street View http://goo.gl/maps/4dklr
Any help would be great.
Thanks
Steve
Edited by jacko0 (Mon 25-Feb-13 20:34:19)
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They didn't even complain themselves...
BT can put the cabinet anywhere within 100 metres of cable run to the existing cabinet so could install it out side the neighbour getting around this person's comments.
One person should not be able to stop permission for something that will benefit hundreds of households!
Really don't get what it has to do with security!
Only valid reason to object is because it blocks the pavement, i.e. making it impossible for 2 people to walk past each other on said pavement and therefore forcing one onto the road.
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The letter confirms the cabinet constitutes permitted development, so that person's objection means nothing and Openreach were asked to reach out to them as a matter of courtesy.
Ask Openreach about the delay.
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Generally anything out of the ordinary means it goes to the back of list, for the simpler to roll-out cabinets to be done.
The long Colchester thread shows the problems in getting things back into the timeline after a hitch
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The author of the above post is a thinkbroadband staff member. It may not constitute an official statement on behalf of thinkbroadband.
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Generally anything out of the ordinary means it goes to the back of list, for the simpler to roll-out cabinets to be done.
The long Colchester thread shows the problems in getting things back into the timeline after a hitch
That was a conservation area where planning permission was required, this isn't.
Of course that doesn't preclude the possibility that the resident did some kind of protest outside their property.
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Is someone has written to the planning department raising an objection, you should be able to get a copy of the document perhaps via the planning department/government portal.
Michael Chare
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The house at 250 appears to be a gated enclave anyway 
Are their concerns that someone will use the cabinet as a step to jumping over the spiked railings?
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Is it right that the planning rules have changed, now BT don't need permission?
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Rules are going to change, they have not changed yet
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The author of the above post is a thinkbroadband staff member. It may not constitute an official statement on behalf of thinkbroadband.
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Is it right that the planning rules have changed, now BT don't need permission?
There are some changes coming, however the current / previous position is that planning permission is not required for any industrial structure below 15m tall, or possibly 15m or less, which is called "permitted development" and needs no planning permission other than in conservation areas.
Openreach and mobile companies tell the planners what they intend to do and that they regard it as permitted development, the planners have the opportunity to comment or disagree.
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Phil
MaxDSL - goes as fast as it can and doesn't read the line checker first.
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UPDATE
Thanks for all the advice.
I contacted Mr Osborne from Harlequin Ltd (they are the cab install company) who is mentioned on the planning letter.
He kindly explained that the concerns raised by the resident of number 250 were not the problem. The main issue is that the Kidbrooke PCP 2 cabinet records were not complete or incorrect and therefor the cables can't be installed in the position originally planned. Openreach have been looking for an alternative solution but this will take some time.
He advised to get as many people as possible to contact Openreach to complain about the lack of fibre cab as that might get things moving.
Maybe I should post a flyer to the local residents advising them to contact Openreach.
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Remember that BT has a lot of special dispensations too ... so some rules do not apply to BT.
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He kindly explained that the concerns raised by the resident of number 250 were not the problem. The main issue is that the Kidbrooke PCP 2 cabinet records were not complete or incorrect and therefor the cables can't be installed in the position originally planned. Openreach have been looking for an alternative solution but this will take some time.
Wha- whose records aren't complete or are incorrect? BT's (before Openreach existed as a separate entity) I can only assume? That's a bit odd, has any work begun? You'd think that if there was an issue with routing cables etc., then it would be discovered mid-dig; because to discover that your records are incomplete or incorrect before that has happened requires you to be Mystic Meg.
My own Mystic Meg predictions:
"Damn, we've lost the PCP cable routing maps... er... just say anything and that we're working on it... yes I know we're meant to have kept meticulous records since the late 50s, but the work experience boys didn't know how to use the scanner properly back in 1995 and so we've not got them on our laptops."
Or the resident's complaint (which seems to be weirdly passed off as "nothing", when clearly it isn't) is holding things up a little bit but they don't want anyone to go round to no. 250 and start a war.
Yes, anyway, loads of pressure on Openreach is the way forward.
Edited by deleted (Tue 26-Feb-13 11:37:56)
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As I said above that resident's complaint carries no force behind it and Harlequin / Openreach were asked to contact them as a matter of courtesy.
Council agreed it was covered by prior approval and it doesn't seem like the local highways people objected so it was good to go.
Some records going missing was absolutely inevitable.
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Some records going missing was absolutely inevitable.
So again, BT/Openreach have lost (or not made) some records, and need pestering.
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So, one local resident doesn't like the cabinet and opposed the planning which means we all don't get fiber! Not the news I wanted to hear from Openreach. Lets see what the local council says about this
From BT:
We've not been able to find a viable location for the DSLAM to uplift Kidbrooke cabinet 2 to FTTC capability. The first location we surveyed for the cabinet was opposed by one of the local residents and the second location we surveyed was unsuitable due to the location of other underground services. Due to the layout of the area, there are no other viable locations due to the need for the Super-fast Broadband cabinet needing access to existing ducts and the provision of a main power supply. This means that we cannot uplift Kidbrooke cabinet 2 to Super-fast Broadband capability.
I'm really sorry that we can't provide Super-fast Broadband to your area.
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What will that resident say if large lorries were parked in front of their house all day? Would they be upset by that? Are they a real NIMBY? who does not want any progress and objects to everything?
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Maybe I should post a flyer to the local residents advising them to contact Openreach. Don't forget to post a flyer in the houses in #250 (if you can get in).
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Moved (with trepidation turned relief) to BT Infinity 2 for upload speed. Happy BE user for several years.
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If you do, make sure that everyone knows that Mr & Mrs Nimby of xxxx are the reason that you will be stuck with ADSl and be unable to stream TV programmes such as (what ever you believe the neighbourhood likes!)
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Discover who objected and go round mob handed.....
I can imagine the Police interview
"It was a terrifying experience, they all stood outside and demanded they wanted fibre. Then they threatened to hang me from a lampost with antiquated copper wire *sobs*"
Sorry it's late and i'm slightly delirious!
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I have spoken to a lady in the planning department at Bexley council, regarding my local cabinet. She says that all BT cabinet planning applications fall under 'Permitted Development' planning permission, and as such do not require any planning permission!
She checked the planning application and says that the council dont have a problem with it, but advised BT to contact the resident that wasn't happy. However, BT tell me that the planning permission was not granted because if the resident complaining.
[censored] is going on!
The upshot is BT don't need planning permission, but refuse to install the cab cause of a resident complaining (who has no legal right anyway)
What can I do now? BT won't seem to listen and the council have no problem. Arrgh....
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I suppose the most logical and direct route to take would be to try to get the council to speak to BT, and to get them to assure BT that there is officially no problem. That would carry far more weight than a counter-argument to the objector from you as an individual, I'm sure BT would simply consider that a "small spat between neighbours" or something similar, and definitely not alter any plans.
County elections coming up on May 2nd... if a few of you were to approach your preferred candidate saying of course your vote is with him/her BUT YOU ALL WANT THIS FIBRE CABINET INSTALLED ASAP then it might not do any harm. Time is of the essence there, strike whilst the fibre is hot.
Edited by deleted (Sat 27-Apr-13 02:14:14)
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