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Hi
Just to check do all supplliers use 2 boxes for fibre vdsl modem and router?
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If talking Openreach network then yes.
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Thanks for reply Andrew , is this particularly tricky for them to put both in one box or is it just that tech is fairly new?
(yes openreach)
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It is because Openreach want to offer providers the same interface i.e. an ethernet socket no matter whether it is FTTC or FTTP that you order.
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ahh ok I see.
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Trials of all in one devices are being conducted at the moment. Will probably be available when self install FTTC comes out.
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I currently manage two FTTC connections. I ditched the supplied Openreach modem on both sites on install day. On one I use a Cisco 887VA router and on the other a Draytek 2850 router. Both work perfectly and are a neater one box solution than the standard setup offers. Use of such devices does breach Openreach's terms & conditions though.
I've kept the original Openreach modems should there be a line fault that needs to be investigated.
I installed both routers with the commissioning BT engineers present and neither was aware the connection could be used without the Openreach modem!
Edited by caffn8me (Sun 17-Mar-13 07:33:50)
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Does seem a strange way to go about it with 2 boxes if one box solution is already available. Could it be a stockpile they need to get rid of first maybe??
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Does seem a strange way to go about it with 2 boxes if one box solution is already available. The modem is provided by Openreach, and the router is provided by the ISP - 2 separate companies, 2 separate boxes.
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Ok , but why is that not the case for ADSL ?? (Or is the tech still too new)
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Because ADSL has matured into a wires-only product. Fibre is still an engineer-installed product.
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There's also the question of whether the one-box solutions a few people are using will get Openreach compliance verification as per sections 2.4 and 3.2.2 of SIN 498.
I expect most ISPs will stick with a recommended router and maybe even get bulk in-house supplies from Openreach of the existing locked-down modems.
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Edited by RobertoS (Mon 18-Mar-13 10:47:12)
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The advantage to the ISP is they can use the same branded router for FTTC and FTTP by utilising Openreach Modem or Fibre ONT.
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Does that imply that if moving from EE ADSL2 and similar, to either FTTP or FTTC, that the Bright Box would remain in circuit; but an Ethernet cable from the added BT box to one of the Bright Box Ethernet sockets, replacing the existing Phone cable?
The Bright Box does have-
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Broadband Settings
This page provides basic settings to connect to your EE Broadband service.
Broadband Type: (Ticked) ADSL (Unticked) Fibre/Ethernet
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Ok , but why is that not the case for ADSL ?? (Or is the tech still too new)
Oh sure it was. In early days, 1999-2000 BT sent an engineer for ADSL install, and this Green Frog modem was put in the end user premises.
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Yes the Brightbox will work on an FTTC or FTTP service.
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Oh sure it was. In early days, 1999-2000 BT sent an engineer for ADSL install, and this Green Frog modem was put in the end user premises.
Ha, we had the white box Westell modem from BT Openworld at the time. Guess that was business. Still was USB only - useless tech.
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13 years of broadband - 1999 ntl:(512k/1M)/BTbusiness(2M)/Metronet(2M)/Bulldog(8M/16M)/BE(19M/16M)/BT FTTC(46M)
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Yep remember first Tiscali usb modem being very temperamental compared to the Ethernet ones.
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