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Standard User Kio9
(newbie) Tue 09-Jul-13 14:44:15
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BT Infinity 2 vs Sky Fibre


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I'm going to be switching my internet to either BT Infinity 2 or Sky Fibre. I'm just unsure which to go for.

I'm looking to choose the best package that won't cap my speeds.

I looked up this earlier, however it is from December of last year.

http://www.cable.co.uk/guides/bt-infinity-vs-sky-fib...

Does the traffic management part in the table still apply?

Basically, looking for the best gaming wise also. P2P as well.

Thanks.
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Tue 09-Jul-13 15:56:36
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Re: BT Infinity 2 vs Sky Fibre


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If you order Unlimited Pro from Sky then same speeds as Infinity 2.

Ignore the FTTP comments (160 Meg unless in your area, and Sky don't sell that yet).

Various price changes, and BT relaxed traffic some time ago to allow totally unlimited label.

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Standard User Chrysalis
(legend) Tue 09-Jul-13 20:50:16
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Re: BT Infinity 2 vs Sky Fibre


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the unlimited infinity products now have no traffic management (barring old customers who didnt recontract).

In terms of FUP, traffic management etc. Sky and BT are now equal.

BT Infinity 2 Since Dec 2012


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Standard User WWWombat
(fountain of knowledge) Tue 09-Jul-13 21:11:32
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Re: BT Infinity 2 vs Sky Fibre


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Is there a reason that you are restricting yourself to BT and their Infinity branding for FTTC?

I personally would go for Plusnet, but you may have already dismissed them (and others), so there's little point in offering alternatives if that's the case.
Standard User Kio9
(newbie) Wed 10-Jul-13 10:43:19
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Re: BT Infinity 2 vs Sky Fibre


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In reply to a post by WWWombat:
Is there a reason that you are restricting yourself to BT and their Infinity branding for FTTC?

I personally would go for Plusnet, but you may have already dismissed them (and others), so there's little point in offering alternatives if that's the case.


Their restrictions on P2P is the reason.
Standard User WWWombat
(fountain of knowledge) Wed 10-Jul-13 11:11:13
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Re: BT Infinity 2 vs Sky Fibre


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What restrictions?

There aren't any restrictions on the unlimited packages (which is what you seem to be looking at), and only 2 hours of restrictions on the Essentials package.
Standard User greenglide
(experienced) Wed 10-Jul-13 11:33:18
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Re: BT Infinity 2 vs Sky Fibre


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I tend to look at it from the "do I want to fully unbundle my line" aspect.

If you are happy with this then SKY is an option, if not then BT, Plusnet etc are your options.

I have never been prepared for my line to be fully unbundled so when looking at fibre I did not consider SKY.

The nature of FTTC means that suppliers are pretty much of a muchness (more so than ADSL2) so my dislike of SKY for my earlier issues on ADSL no longer apply.

Still happy with BT for now but when the contract period is up I will be considering PlusNet.

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Previously BE Unlimited - 21,000 Download 1,200 Upload but then moved house - 6,500 Down, 1Mb/s up - gutted!
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Standard User R0NSKI
(fountain of knowledge) Wed 10-Jul-13 13:18:13
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Re: BT Infinity 2 vs Sky Fibre


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In reply to a post by Kio9:
Their restrictions on P2P is the reason.


Your info is well out dated, as WWWombat says, there are no restrictions on unlimited.

I've been with Plus Net for ten years at home, and at work we've just signed up for business fibre with them, they seem much better value than BT.

Edited by R0NSKI (Wed 10-Jul-13 13:19:19)

Standard User Kio9
(newbie) Wed 10-Jul-13 23:15:30
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Re: BT Infinity 2 vs Sky Fibre


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I was basing it on this guide:

http://www.plus.net/support/broadband/speed_guide/tr...

I have gone with BT now as I liked what they offered. But I see that you can get the add on for totally unlimited on Plusnet. For future reference, are they very good with the add on?

Heard BT own them?

Thanks.
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Thu 11-Jul-13 00:24:00
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Re: BT Infinity 2 vs Sky Fibre


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I think you have misunderstood that link. Assuming you aren't reading a cached out of date version.

There is no rate limiting at all on the current unlimited products. Just like BT Retail and Sky.

There is a traffic prioritisation system shown on that page. What that does is make sure that gaming and VOIP traffic, also live streaming, gets priority on your connection and on PlusNet as a whole over P2P and browsing. This is particularly important in multi-user households where some may be watching live streamed HD TV, somebody on a VOIP phone call, and someone using P2P.

On Sky and BT, without any such prioritisation, the P2P could make the others unusable.

Fot that reason, the Pro option you mention to remove prioritisation is not recommended for the current unlimited products, only legacy ones that are rate capped at times.

Have you come across this article?

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Standard User WWWombat
(fountain of knowledge) Thu 11-Jul-13 09:56:08
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Re: BT Infinity 2 vs Sky Fibre


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In reply to a post by Kio9:
I was basing it on this guide:

http://www.plus.net/support/broadband/speed_guide/tr...

Right place to look, so probably the wrong interpretation of it.

In the current package structure, the unlimited package is indeed unlimited. No usage allowance, and no rate limits.

The prioritisation mechanism is in place to make sure that the time-sensitive protocols (as mentioned by RobertoS) get priority over "bulk" protocols that aren't time-sensitive - and this works in two separate ways...

If your own link is max'ed-out, then it ensures that the time-sensitive stuff is carried first, and the P2P-type stuff gets to fill the rest of the pipe.

If Plusnet's links are max'ed-out, then it ensures they get carried with priority there too. However, PN say they are careful to keep ahead of the bandwidth requirements on those links, so this part really only applies when faults happen somewhere.

IMO this prioritisation scheme is a good thing.

I have gone with BT now as I liked what they offered. But I see that you can get the add on for totally unlimited on Plusnet. For future reference, are they very good with the add on?

With the unlimited package, the "Pro" add-on is not necessary to overcome any rate limits, and stops this priority mechanism from working. It should only ever be needed on legacy products where rate limits were in place.

On those legacy products, it works fine.

The BT option isn't too bad either - especially if you want to make use of the TV option, or the BT Sport channel.

If they gradually knock together a better TV offering, I might get tempted to switch one day.

Heard BT own them?

Yes. That ownership doesn't seem to get in the way of day-to-day operations, but it probably does shape their strategies.
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