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Standard User nicomorr
(newbie) Wed 10-Jul-13 17:35:36
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New FTTC install - what should I expect?


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Today the nice BT Openreach engineer connected me to Talktalk 'fibre fast' & he showed me the speed at the master socket, exactly 80MBps down & 20Mbps up.

What I am testing as is:
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/results.html...

I have tested this on two machines, my setup is I connect LAN4 on the HG533 to an 8port switch Dynamode SW80010-M:
http://www.dynamode.com/english/pages/product/LAN%20...

The machines are connected to the switch.

I'm also having problems connecting via WLAN but I'm investigating that, my wireless computer is an 11 year old IBM T41 which connected fine to my previous router, the Talktalk HG523; the T41 runs wireless at 802.11a/b/g only. Slow slow but it should connect...

I'm not complaining, 50MBps down seems like a miracle to me, I started in 1986 with a Hayes modem running 1200/300 baud, heh smile

BBN stuff, no internet yet then. And now people complain because they're not getting 100% of everything.

There is only the single master socket, which the engineer replaced & added to that the Openreach fibre modem & then CAT5e to the HG533. As I say, he tested it at the socket & got the full shebang 80/20, I am 150 metres from the cabinet.

What should I expect as I leave it turned on for the next 10 days?

Nico Morrison
London UK
Manali India
http://radio.theflowerraj.org
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Standard User MHC
(sensei) Wed 10-Jul-13 17:46:04
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Re: New FTTC install - what should I expect?


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Depending on your OS, you might have to tweak the MTU and RWIN settings.

The router should have an MTU of 1492


Did you test with any AV software disabled and ensure nothing else was running?


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Standard User nicomorr
(newbie) Wed 10-Jul-13 18:38:27
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Re: New FTTC install - what should I expect?


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Hi @MHC thank you.

I turned off AVG free & got almost the same:
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/results.html...

tbbMeter says the same, I can't see how to copy their stats tho...

MTU is set to Auto with '1500' greyed out.

RWIN Ummm... I did this 'tweaktest':

1. Your Tweakable Settings
Receive Window (RWIN): 65535
Window Scaling: off
Path MTU Discovery: ON
RFC1323 Window Scaling: OFF
RFC1323 Time Stamping: OFF
Selective Acks: ON
MSS requested: 1460
TTL: unknown
TTL remaining: 116
TOS/TOS subfield: 64
TOS/Flags:

2. Test Download
Actual data bytes sent: 1025461
Actual data packets: 704
Max packet sent (MTU): 1500
Max packet recd (MTU): 1470
Retransmitted packets: 1
sacks you sent: 2
pushed data pkts: 120
data transmit time: 3.419 secs
our max idletime: 761.2 ms
transfer rate: 240382 bytes/sec
transfer rate: 1923 kbits/sec
transfer efficiency: 99%
From: http://www.dslreports.com/tweaks

I can change MTU to manual 1492 easily, should I?
RWIN looks like a registry change, should I change it & what to?
Ping average is between 3mS & 8mS out to UK hosts, I can't remember how to enable incoming pings...

TIA great forum this, someone is always here to help smile

Nico Morrison
London UK
Manali India
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Standard User Ignitionnet
(knowledge is power) Wed 10-Jul-13 18:40:10
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Re: New FTTC install - what should I expect?


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Receive Window (RWIN): 65535
Window Scaling: off

RFC1323 Window Scaling: OFF


Are you using Windows XP?

Edited by Ignitionnet (Wed 10-Jul-13 18:40:42)

Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Wed 10-Jul-13 18:44:59
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Re: New FTTC install - what should I expect?


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Not sure its RWIN as would see a ramp for the single thread, What is odd is the performance of the multiple threads, what CPU is this machine?

On the wireless, if you only have b/g devices try turning off the n mode on the router.

Andrew

Andrew Ferguson, [email protected]
www.thinkbroadband.com - formerly known as ADSLguide.org.uk
The author of the above post is a thinkbroadband staff member. It may not constitute an official statement on behalf of thinkbroadband.
Standard User MHC
(sensei) Wed 10-Jul-13 18:55:27
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Re: New FTTC install - what should I expect?


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Try changing the MTU to 1492.

What did the DSL Reports tweak Test suggest for RWIN?


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Standard User nicomorr
(newbie) Wed 10-Jul-13 19:09:06
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Re: New FTTC install - what should I expect?


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Hah! Probably the oldest machine on this forum, I bought it in 2003 for £3,500 (with added memory, making a grand total of 1GB) it was the latest thing an IBM T41! The last machine built in USA before IBM sold out to Lenovo; it;s been to Australia 5 times, India 6 or more, from the 40C of Goa to the -5C of Manali winter... built like a tank. On its third fan & shoehorned with 2GB RAM & a 330GB drive, I love it.

But, it's 'Centrino' & darn slow, from CPUID:
<snip>
Number of cores 1 (max 1)
Number of threads 1 (max 1)
Name Intel Pentium M
Codename Banias
Specification Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1400MHz
Package (platform ID) Socket 479 mPGA (0x5)
</snip>
You don't allow attachments or I'd send you the CPUID report.

I don't think it's that though, as I have another machine attached to the switch & it gets the same results, 2nd machine spec is:
<snip>
Number of cores 1 (max 1)
Number of threads 1 (max 1)
Name Intel Pentium 4
Codename Prescott
Specification Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz
Package (platform ID) Socket 478 mPGA (0x2)
</snip>

What do you think?

Nico Morrison
London UK
Manali India
http://radio.theflowerraj.org
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Standard User ggremlin
(committed) Wed 10-Jul-13 19:21:04
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Re: New FTTC install - what should I expect?


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what browser are you using, I have seen chrome behave significantly slower then ie on some speed tests
Standard User nicomorr
(newbie) Wed 10-Jul-13 19:24:45
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Tweak results...
4. Notes and Recommendations Looking good
Observations:
Upload packet less than your MTU (FAQ #1492)
Good data stream (no/few rexmits).
_________________________________

On the HG533 there seem to be two MTU setting places.
1. Advanced > Routing > Static Routing
MTU Value is empty.
2. Basic > WAN
MTU Value is AUTO.

Which or both should I change the MTU to? And RWIN since there are no recommendations from Tweaktest...

Nico Morrison
London UK
Manali India
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Standard User nicomorr
(newbie) Wed 10-Jul-13 19:30:11
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FF22 & I get the same results with Opera 12.16

Nico Morrison
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Standard User nicomorr
(newbie) Wed 10-Jul-13 19:34:25
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Yes I am using XP Pro SP3

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Standard User nicomorr
(newbie) Wed 10-Jul-13 19:39:27
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"2013-7-10 19:8:40 User Notice upnp 1 tr064 set action(QueryStateVariable) failed !"

From the router logs, what does it mean?

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Standard User MHC
(sensei) Wed 10-Jul-13 19:44:28
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Certainly the WAN one should be 1492 and the routing one - try 1492 or maybe less.

You might need to experiment.


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Standard User nicomorr
(newbie) Wed 10-Jul-13 19:55:07
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Re: New FTTC install - OK, wait ^ C!


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MTU set at 1492, maybe a smidgeon better, I'm going to wait a couple of days & see what happens. 55/16 is nae bad Jimmie!

Nico Morrison
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Standard User MHC
(sensei) Wed 10-Jul-13 20:06:59
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Re: New FTTC install - OK, wait ^ C!


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What if you go straight into teh HG533 router and not via the switch?


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Standard User R0NSKI
(fountain of knowledge) Wed 10-Jul-13 20:24:26
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Re: New FTTC install - what should I expect?


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In reply to a post by nicomorr:
What do you think?
You need some new PC's, quad core with an SSD, then you'll feel the speed of a modern setup wink

Well, someone had to say it wink

Standard User Ignitionnet
(knowledge is power) Wed 10-Jul-13 20:36:20
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Not sure its RWIN as would see a ramp for the single thread, What is odd is the performance of the multiple threads, what CPU is this machine?

On the wireless, if you only have b/g devices try turning off the n mode on the router.

Andrew


No window scaling; RWIN only has enough room in the header, 16 bits, to go up to 65535. How exactly is it to ramp?

Edited by Ignitionnet (Wed 10-Jul-13 20:40:15)

Standard User Ignitionnet
(knowledge is power) Wed 10-Jul-13 20:39:04
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Sheesh You Guys....


[re: nicomorr] [link to this post]
 
OP - use this - http://www.speedguide.net/downloads.php

Set the bandwidth and run with optimal settings, should fix it right up.
Standard User nicomorr
(newbie) Wed 10-Jul-13 21:37:38
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Re: Sheesh You Guys.... SORTED!!!!!


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@Ignitionnet you pointed me in the right direction. Thank you so much!

I ran SG TCP Optimizer & now get 75down/17up!

I simply as you suggested, set the bandwidth & then did 'optimal' on both General & Advanced settings.

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/results.html...

Happy bunny here, now to see if it does the laptop the same...

PS: T41 laptop slower on x6 download but otherwise the same 75/17:
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/results.html...

Nico Morrison
London UK
Manali India
http://radio.theflowerraj.org
http://theflowerraj.org

Edited by nicomorr (Wed 10-Jul-13 21:52:33)

Standard User Ignitionnet
(knowledge is power) Wed 10-Jul-13 22:06:09
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Good man. You're welcome.
Standard User MHC
(sensei) Wed 10-Jul-13 23:21:06
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SO, what did it change?


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Standard User nicomorr
(newbie) Thu 11-Jul-13 00:19:34
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After fiddling around all day I made a restore point & ran the program & looked at the results; no idea what changed, too tired to find out, still running 75/17 tho smile

Nico Morrison
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Manali India
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Standard User Ignitionnet
(knowledge is power) Thu 11-Jul-13 09:29:05
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In reply to a post by MHC:
SO, what did it change?


At very least it would've increased the maximum RWIN and enabled window scaling to make it possible.
Standard User MHC
(sensei) Thu 11-Jul-13 10:26:37
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Which is where I pointed the OP initially!

So, what about this one? How can te upstream ramp be sorted?


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Standard User caffn8me
(knowledge is power) Thu 11-Jul-13 17:18:45
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Hah! Probably the oldest machine on this forum, I bought it in 2003
A positive youngster. I still run things on a Sun SPARCstation 5. That dates back to about 1995/6 smile

Edit: and I'm amazed people are still selling them for silly money; www.ebay.co.uk/itm/320801246648

Sarah

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If I can't drink my bowl of coffee three times daily, then in my torment, I will shrivel up like a piece of roast goat

Spiders on coffee - Badass spiders on drugs

Edited by caffn8me (Thu 11-Jul-13 17:31:32)

Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 11-Jul-13 19:16:57
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Re: New FTTC install - what should I expect?


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In reply to a post by caffn8me:
In reply to a post by nicomorr:
Hah! Probably the oldest machine on this forum, I bought it in 2003
A positive youngster. I still run things on a Sun SPARCstation 5. That dates back to about 1995/6 smile

Edit: and I'm amazed people are still selling them for silly money; www.ebay.co.uk/itm/320801246648
I learnt Unix on them back in college smile

James BT Infinity 2 19/09/2012 - Speeds 49 / 8.2 Mbps - Sync 53 / 9.5 Mbps @ 470m
Huawei modem -> RT-N66U -> Switch -> PC/Mac/Linux/NAS/Phone/TV - last speedtest
13 years of broadband - 1999 ntl:(512k/1M)/BTbusiness(2M)/Metronet(2M)/Bulldog(8M/16M)/BE(19M/16M)/BT FTTC(46M)

Edited by jchamier (Thu 11-Jul-13 19:17:54)

Standard User simon194
(committed) Thu 11-Jul-13 21:44:05
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In reply to a post by caffn8me:
In reply to a post by nicomorr:
Hah! Probably the oldest machine on this forum, I bought it in 2003
A positive youngster. I still run things on a Sun SPARCstation 5. That dates back to about 1995/6 smile

My network firewall runs on an old dual 200 MHz Pentium Pro based Compaq Professional Workstation which hails from 1996 and my webserver is a Cobalt RaQ4R which is slightly newer.
Standard User caffn8me
(knowledge is power) Fri 12-Jul-13 04:46:44
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I loved the Cobalt equipment, It's a pity they were bought and put out of business by Sun.

Sarah

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Spiders on coffee - Badass spiders on drugs
Standard User nicomorr
(newbie) Fri 12-Jul-13 06:28:11
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Sparc?


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Yes, I worked with Sun networks in the late 1980s.

I don't think that machine on eBay is cheap, £465 for this?

"Sun Sparc 5, 170MHz CPU, No RAM, No HDD, No CD-ROM, No FDD, used" blimey,

Nico Morrison
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Standard User R0NSKI
(fountain of knowledge) Fri 12-Jul-13 10:24:24
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Very expensive I thought, I can build a very good spec fast PC using onboard graphics for that, it'll be silent and even have an SSD.

Do those machines have any special features which make them expensive?

I'm sure my brother has all his old computers stashed away, ZX81, Spectrum, BBC Micro, Atari, Apricot Qi.

Standard User nicomorr
(newbie) Fri 12-Jul-13 16:38:54
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Re: Sparc? Toshiba T2100


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I still have the Toshiba T2100 that I wrote statistical software on; I was a QC on seismic survey boats & got fed up with doing it all offline; started with a Compaq sewing machine portable (which my ex-wife still has) but then bought the top-of-the-line T2100 in 1990 as it weighed less; it needs a CMOS battery & should crank up DOS3.3 just fine. Made a lot of money on that machine, taught myself C to do it.

Nico Morrison
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Manali India
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