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Standard User cisco_kid75
(newbie) Mon 15-Jul-13 15:31:24
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MRBLA - Manchester City Blackfriars


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Anyone on here know what's happening in the MRBLA area. BTOR appear to be progressing very slowly with FTTC cab upgrades in the MRBLA area.

Waiting for upgrade of PCP132. Fibre cab installed April 2012. Kept emailing nga.enquiries, month after month, getting further and further delayed (had every excuse they can think of)

Last update from NGA team was MRBLA PCP132 due to go live early July 13. Still not live, can't tell if it is because the fibre cab an EC128 and I believe you can't hear the fans in these unlike the Huawei 288s)

Number of cabs which appear to be on the fibre spine route for PCP132 (PCP 27, 54 and 118) not live yet either, all but PCP27 have FTTC (EC128s) installed mid last year!

Latest FTTC Deployment Report file on BTOR shows PCP132 scheduled for 31/03/2014
NGA Enquiries say early July 2013
BTW systems - ie. BT.com says sometime 'between October 2013 and March 2014' for my telephone number served off MRBLA PCP132.
Spoke to many PSTN - BTOR engineers I've grabbed hold of when seen working on PCPs in my area - they don't seem to know either.

Not sure if the NGA team know what's going on either.... Anyone out there enlightened?

Stuck on 3.5Mbps (53dB att.) on the edge of Manchester City Centre at the moment. FRUSTRATED is an understatement!!!
Standard User blueacid
(committed) Mon 15-Jul-13 21:22:46
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I am in a similar situation with MRARD. I live near to the "border" with Blackfriars around Ancoatd, my cab has not been upgraded yet.
BT said to me that they were planning on the upgrade near the end of 2013, but the BT Wholesale checker makes no mention of any expected date when I enter my phone number.

what's doubly annoying is that I am with Be* currently, so I will soon have to make the decision of whether to stay with Sky or to move on. Knowing the state of my cab would certainly help the decision!

That being said, I currently get 10/1.3, so my speeds aren't chronic. I wouldn't mind more upload, but if desperate I can tether via my phone which gets 2.8mbit up! (thanks, Three)
Standard User cisco_kid75
(newbie) Mon 15-Jul-13 23:30:33
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What's your postcode? Can see one cabinet served off MRARD which has a Future RFS date for 30/09/13 (PCP21) the remaining cabs under MRARD have no Future RFS dates filled in at present.


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Standard User cisco_kid75
(newbie) Tue 16-Jul-13 16:31:28
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NGA have now come back to me again saying that Cab 132 off MRBLA has been delayed further due to further unforeseen infrastructure problems and are now working to November 2013.

In order words, BTOR have serious resourcing problems, preventing them from completing work in a timely manner :/

MRBLA went live for FTTC in March 2012. Cab 132 installed April 2012, 15 months later still not live.

19 months to bring an installed FTTC cab live. Have this one broken any records? smile
Standard User Stevenage_Neil
(member) Tue 16-Jul-13 18:02:01
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Have this one broken any records? smile


Certainly in the use of acronyms.............
Standard User blueacid
(committed) Tue 16-Jul-13 23:07:47
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Yes, that's not my PCP. Bit of a pain, suspect that I'll need to email the NGA enquiries service again sometime soon.
Standard User daveyc
(newbie) Wed 17-Jul-13 23:03:48
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I'm on MRBLA PCP139 and NGA Enquiries tell me that cab "isn't commercially viable"! There are hundreds of flats connected to it but maybe that isn't enough...who knows? This is in Manchester City Centre.
Standard User Goater666
(regular) Tue 30-Jul-13 11:43:54
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We are on PCP27 and have been told the delay for us has been caused by the United Utilities works that are current ongoing on Chester Rd/Hulme Hall Road. They are doing some massive sewer upgrade works and there have been about 5 BT vans onsite for the last month or two.

When i emailed NGA the response was "The cabinet serving your premises has been included in the roll out. Unfortunately, due to a new road scheme we are having to move the location of the cabinet. Due to this we do not have any timescales of when fibre will be available."

So when will we get fibre? who knows...

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Standard User cisco_kid75
(newbie) Wed 31-Jul-13 18:22:15
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Not strictly true. I personally think BTOR forgot about PCP27 as it hasn't appeared in their roll out plans until recently (around Feb 2013) when it suddenly appeared on their list. It serves multiple posts codes (some of Chester Road, Hulme Hall Road, Ellesmere St and small percentage of lines at the St. George's Island development) There is no date against PCP27 at the moment and no L2S port has been prepared for the future fibre cab as yet either. It is true that they are having to move PCP27 as it is in the way of the major UU dig for the sewer works. Therefore, they've installed a new PCP literally around 7 metres away (towards the junction of Chester Road) from the original PCP27. They are currently in the process of moving all the copper connections to the new cabinet (I think they've nearly finished) and will then remove the old PCP27. I very much doubt that a fibre cab for PCP27 will appear until the major works are completed a year from now around mid August 2014. So it's likely that FTTC for PCP27 won't go live until Autumn/Winter 2014

Some of the developments (St. Georges Church, Lock building, Timber Wharf and Moho) are ear marked for FTTP but not sure if that's final at the moment (subject to consent by the flat leaseholders/landlord over internal cabling costs no doubt) may slip down to FTTPoD or FTTC yet.

I do know that they've completed the fibre work in close vicinity to PCP132 as I've seen them installing Fibre Aggregation Nodes and running fibre in recent months. I think the provisions have been made for PCP27 and for remaining developments along Ellesmere St. Also, a new development is going up on Ellesmere St (building starting Autumn 2013) so BTOR probably have been working on providing capacity for those new homes too.
Standard User cisco_kid75
(learned) Fri 28-Feb-14 17:03:55
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Cab 132 served by Manchester Blackfriars (MRBLA) still not live. 22 months since first installed. Now waiting for power and has been since November 2013. No job request for power has even been submitted to Electricity Northwest yet.

So dissatisfied with BTOR's lack of progress, I have been in contact with Liv Garfield (until her recent departure) and a Richard Hall (Project Director for FTTx) querying the situation. Email exchanges were very positive in the beginning, saying they'd investigate further however communications dropped off when I got a response from Mr Hall saying "I've not seen any notices for power yet?" when I asked "Has a job pack been issued to the power company to service the cab with power yet?" I get complete silence! In other words, that's a NO!

Goater666, the fibre cab for PCP27 is not going to be installed until at least Winter 2014, possibly early 2015 as they cannot access the area until the United Utilities sewer works complete in December 2014. So, don't expect to get FTTC until Spring 2015, possibly longer.

BTOR are too interested in chasing BDUK (free) money rather than spending their own!
Standard User cisco_kid75
(learned) Fri 16-May-14 15:53:17
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After a long painful wait. As of 8th May my cab - PCP132 (Manchester Blackfriars) has now been connected up to a power feed. Hoping that OpenReach were about to finalise the cab (doing the power certification tests) in order to sign it off Ready for Service (fibre and copper work completed long ago!) OpenReach now advise that they have discovered a high earth reading on the cab and remedial works are required. Basically the fibre cab has a bad earth! Dodgy connection to the earth rod/plate or not grounded properly?

Has anyone heard of earth issues on fibre cabs after being fitted out with a power supply before? Probably going to have to wait another 6 months before this is rectified!
Standard User Ribble
(experienced) Fri 16-May-14 19:01:42
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Has anyone heard of earth issues on fibre cabs after being fitted out with a power supply before?

Yep.
May depend on the type of electrical installation but hopefully not that long
Standard User R0NSKI
(fountain of knowledge) Fri 16-May-14 20:13:18
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In reply to a post by cisco_kid75:
Has anyone heard of earth issues on fibre cabs after being fitted out with a power supply before? Probably going to have to wait another 6 months before this is rectified!
Quite a few of our local cabs where scheduled on roadworks.org for earth rods or something to do with earthing.

Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Fri 16-May-14 23:37:04
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Probably gone through and dangling in the Irwell.

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Standard User Fastman2
(regular) Sat 17-May-14 12:39:45
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Cisco - commercial programme all but done - -
Standard User Fastman2
(regular) Sat 17-May-14 12:43:21
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cisco unless thet developer has actively engaged openreach around fibre for this development (a new development is going up on Ellesmere St (building starting Autumn 2013) - thern there is quite possible it will be copper only - who is the developer and is it under construciton at present - is their a new cab outise the development (if so thats a bad sign)
Standard User blueacid
(committed) Sun 18-May-14 09:39:55
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Probably gone through and dangling in the Irwell.


So they need to post a bit more cable down t'hole and it'll be alright again wink
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Sun 18-May-14 21:44:06
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Well if it wasn't the Irwell, we could both jump in together and drag it down a bit.

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Standard User cisco_kid75
(learned) Mon 19-May-14 00:23:17
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In reply to a post by Fastman2:
Cisco - commercial programme all but done - -


Indeed but there is a lot of the back-log to mop up. Quite a handful of cabs in Manchester Blackfriars area to be upgraded in the remainder of this year. wink
Standard User cisco_kid75
(learned) Fri 23-May-14 00:42:54
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Well Telent have been back today and put in an earth rod, placed earth bonding in a trench back to the fibre cab. Looks like they'll complete the job tomorrow by re-surfacing the foot way.

All being well with the earth bonding (acceptable earth reading on the cab), reckon this cab will get powered up next week? What's the usual timescales after this has been done? (all other work complete) - BTOR say, cabs usually go live in a couple of weeks (taking orders) after power certification signed-off.

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Standard User Goater666
(regular) Tue 27-May-14 20:02:20
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Goater666, the fibre cab for PCP27 is not going to be installed until at least Winter 2014, possibly early 2015 as they cannot access the area until the United Utilities sewer works complete in December 2014. So, don't expect to get FTTC until Spring 2015, possibly longer.


As expected really. Not expecting it until summer 2015....
Standard User cisco_kid75
(learned) Fri 30-May-14 19:20:30
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As expected really. Not expecting it until summer 2015....

You could well be right!

A few cabs in the Manchester Blackfriars area that had 31/05/2014 dates against them have now slipped out as far as 31/03/2015. It is very likely that Cab 27 will slip further out to late 2015 if not beyond that! The UU major sewer works where cab 27 is situated will prevent OpenReach from doing anything until the works complete around 31/12/2014.

Cab 132 looking to go live very soon. Telent were back late last week installing the earth rod. Looks like cab's earth impedance now checks out okay since the earth rod went in, as Telent were back again yesterday with the fibre cab door open and a guy connected to the DSLAM on a laptop (so it's now powered up) He was probably performing diagnostics to sign-off the cab as RFS (all being well that is) smile
Standard User castlefield
(newbie) Mon 09-Jun-14 13:57:13
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Hi, A new cabinet (modern style) has appeared at the junction with Hulme Hall Road and Elesmere St. Could this be the solution to fibre woes?
Standard User cisco_kid75
(learned) Tue 10-Jun-14 12:20:38
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In reply to a post by castlefield:
Hi, A new cabinet (modern style) has appeared at the junction with Hulme Hall Road and Elesmere St. Could this be the solution to fibre woes?

Unfortunately no that isn't an FTTC cab. It's a United Utilities kiosk (which contains some kind of water outlet) I think it may have some purpose relating to the major sewer works going on at the moment. I saw a notification on roadworks.org about the installation of this thing, a few weeks ago.

It's only temporary as it's been plonked right in the middle of the old intersection of Hulme Hall Road that used to lead directly onto Chester Road (now a major works site.) This section of road will be re-opened around Dec 2014/Jan 2015 when the major works finish, so the kiosk will need to be removed.

PCP132 at Saint George's Island finally went live on 03/06 (week last Tues), after sitting there cold for 2 years. My FTTC install due tomorrow (11/06), predicted to get the full 80/20.
Standard User Trinitrotoluene
(newbie) Mon 16-Jun-14 16:45:10
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Hello there!

How are you getting CAB availability and dates? I have a client on this Exchange whose current ADSL2 is awful and they are in desperate need of fibre.

Any help appreciated, we actually have hundreds of businesses around the north west but have never found a way to get dates for individual CABs.
Standard User cisco_kid75
(learned) Mon 16-Jun-14 17:42:40
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In reply to a post by Trinitrotoluene:
Hello there!

How are you getting CAB availability and dates? I have a client on this Exchange whose current ADSL2 is awful and they are in desperate need of fibre.

Any help appreciated, we actually have hundreds of businesses around the north west but have never found a way to get dates for individual CABs.

Please send me a private message and I maybe able to assist further smile
Standard User Goater666
(regular) Wed 01-Oct-14 21:42:42
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I've heard BT OpenReach have withdrawn plans to upgrade Cab 27 for Fibre Broadband (FTTC) in the remainder of their commercial roll out programme.... Can anyone confirm or give me an email address so i can contact BT ask myself?
Standard User cisco_kid75
(learned) Fri 03-Oct-14 17:58:26
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In reply to a post by Goater666:
I've heard BT OpenReach have withdrawn plans to upgrade Cab 27 for Fibre Broadband (FTTC) in the remainder of their commercial roll out programme.... Can anyone confirm or give me an email address so i can contact BT ask myself?


Yes, that's correct!

Please send me a PM and I will be able to tell you more and give you a contact of a regional project manager at OpenReach.
Standard User castlefield
(newbie) Tue 13-Jan-15 14:12:26
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hi there, could I PM you too? I'm currently trying to decide whether to renew my tenancy or move to a different location
Standard User greenlight
(newbie) Mon 29-Jun-15 16:56:16
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On BT wholesale the following message appears:

FTTC is currently not available on this cabinet due to following reasons:- This cabinet is under review. We'll explore fibre broadband solutions & will update once done..

What does this mean? Any update on this cabinet?
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Mon 29-Jun-15 17:14:42
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It means no plans to provide FTTC at this time under the commercial project. This might change in the future.

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Standard User castlefield
(newbie) Wed 23-Sep-15 19:49:32
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From BT Wholesale: FTTC is currently not available on this cabinet due to following reasons:- Cabinet to be enabled between Apr-16 and Mar-17. Date to be confirmed once the survey is complete..

What's this mean? Definitely fibre soon?
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Wed 23-Sep-15 20:16:02
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It means that you are on the roll-out list,but no one wants to commit to a date until such time as they can be a bit more sure on how long it take.

So fibre looks likely - I would not say definitely as surveys can reveal problems that may delay things longer or make it totally unviable

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