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Standard User alpine
(regular) Sun 04-Aug-13 16:21:23
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Move the connection point?


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The problem I would have if I were to look at FTTC broadband is that the current copper connection point is at a faceplate on the corner of an internal kitchen wall. This is adjacent to the downlead that goes up to the roof and thence to the telegraph pole. It's a long way from where I have my current router which fans out to ethernet connections. I installed a long ADSL cable from the faceplate to my current router and it would be a real annoyance to have to install a new ethernet type cable across to the office where I have my hub if all Openreach do is replace the existing faceplate.
I saw something that suggested that the rules, if you move to FTTC were that BT would install a new faceplate within 3metres of the entrance of the house. But did this actually mean, 3 metres of the current CABLE entrance to the house?
I'd be pleased to have comments since if I don't get a faceplate near my current hub, then I won't bother installing the faster connection!!!

Edited by alpine (Sun 04-Aug-13 16:38:02)

Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Sun 04-Aug-13 20:08:21
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That rule only applies to a house that has no existing wiring.

If you have existing wiring, then fit the new style faceplate to the master socket, and if the Home Wiring Solution (free at order time - HWS acronym) is ordered then they will install a data extension of up to 30m in length.

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Standard User MHC
(sensei) Sun 04-Aug-13 21:48:51
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You could choose to pay for BT to move the incoming connection point. That would get it to exactly where you want it.

The "ADSL" cable you have installed - could then be used to feed voice back to the kitchen if you want to.


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Standard User ukhardy07
(fountain of knowledge) Sun 04-Aug-13 22:29:15
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Did you install an RJ11 cable from the master in the kitchen to the current router? If so you can just connect this cable to the FTTC faceplate that will be installed in the kitchen. It might not be AS good as keeping the modem near the main socket but should work.

Edited by ukhardy07 (Sun 04-Aug-13 22:29:29)

Standard User bet_here
(learned) Mon 05-Aug-13 07:33:25
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In reply to a post by MrSaffron:
If you have existing wiring, then fit the new style faceplate to the master socket, and if the Home Wiring Solution (free at order time - HWS acronym) is ordered then they will install a data extension of up to 30m in length.

There's been a couple of posts here indicating that ordering the HWS allows the engineer to do an NTE shift.
e.g. http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/fibre/t/4067653-re-...

Simon.
Standard User alpine
(regular) Mon 05-Aug-13 08:54:25
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Thanks for the replies everyone.
"Did you install an RJ11 cable from the master in the kitchen to the current router?"
Yes, it's a standard RJ11 cable with the small 4wire US connectors. As I now understand it, this will fit the wider connector on the back of my HG533 and on the new faceplate, and I suspect is probably made from cat 6 cable, so it should extend the PPPoE connection with no issue. Please let me know if this is wrong!.

Now it's just a question of deciding whether to upgrade and if so what line speed over my current ADSL 13Mbps connection I would get... And whether I could every get back to ADSL if the improvement is not large... There's actually a street box only about 100M from my house, but I don't know whether my wiring comes from it, or one about 800M away.

Edited by alpine (Mon 05-Aug-13 13:30:04)

Standard User ukhardy07
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 05-Aug-13 08:56:22
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Is the cable like this, with these connections at each end?
http://www.nisystems.in/images/RJ11_RJ11_na.jpg
Standard User alpine
(regular) Mon 05-Aug-13 09:30:29
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Is the cable like this, with these connections at each end?
http://www.nisystems.in/images/RJ11_RJ11_na.jpg


Same width, but only 4 wires are connected. That means of course that it's not Cat 6, but hopefully would have the same twist density as a cat 6 cable.

I think I got it from Solwise at the same time as I got one of their filtered faceplates, but it's a long time ago!

Edited by alpine (Mon 05-Aug-13 09:37:39)

Standard User ukhardy07
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 05-Aug-13 09:37:18
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Take a picture of it then I can judge for sure whether it will work. I'm concerned it's just a standard cable going into a faceplate (which would be more complicated).

Edited by ukhardy07 (Mon 05-Aug-13 09:37:46)

Standard User alpine
(regular) Mon 05-Aug-13 09:54:34
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In reply to a post by ukhardy07:
Take a picture of it then I can judge for sure whether it will work. I'm concerned it's just a standard cable going into a faceplate (which would be more complicated).

Yes it will be a standard adsl cable, about 25M. Here's a picture


Actually the link doesn't seem to show up... Maybe because I haven't used this site for a long time?
It's h**p://postimg.org/image/9ovbfinh3

Edited by alpine (Mon 05-Aug-13 10:00:46)

Standard User Squirrel
(knowledge is power) Mon 05-Aug-13 09:54:42
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In reply to a post by bet_here:
In reply to a post by MrSaffron:
If you have existing wiring, then fit the new style faceplate to the master socket, and if the Home Wiring Solution (free at order time - HWS acronym) is ordered then they will install a data extension of up to 30m in length.

There's been a couple of posts here indicating that ordering the HWS allows the engineer to do an NTE shift.
e.g. http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/fibre/t/4067653-re-...

Simon.


My daughter had BT Infinity installed in her new flat a week ago today. Old NTE was in the kitchen, new one is in the lounge. Openreach engineer used an existing extension lead from the kitchen to the lounge to make the change, just changed each end of the cable to be "proper" connections behind the faceplate at both ends, rather than the plug at the old master and the loose trailing socket in the lounge, similar to this but had a round cable rather than flat

http://www.toolstation.com/shop/p61898?mkwid=sPbL1Oq...

Standard User ukhardy07
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 05-Aug-13 09:57:42
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Upload it here

http://postimage.org
Standard User alpine
(regular) Mon 05-Aug-13 10:03:02
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That's where I'd put it! But the 'link' box doesn't seem to work for me.
It's here: h**p://postimg.org/image/9ovbfinh3
Standard User ukhardy07
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 05-Aug-13 10:05:26
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Got the image - great.

Can you take a picture of the cable running to this or atleast describe it... Is it flat like this http://www.cablesdirect.co.uk/write/Images/Products/...

or is it round like this http://www.cables2u.co.uk/images/products/Black_rj11...

Edited by ukhardy07 (Mon 05-Aug-13 10:06:21)

Standard User alpine
(regular) Mon 05-Aug-13 10:09:18
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It's round, like your second link.
Standard User ukhardy07
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 05-Aug-13 10:12:57
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Ok so basically the round cabling is better than the non-round cabling.

So you have a few options:
1)
If you order fibre, when the engineer comes have him install it in the kitchen socket. Then when the engineer leaves, plug in your current cable and move everything upstairs.
This option should work however if your cable isn't great quality your fibre speeds may suffer.

2) Order a home wiring solution during the fibre order.
Here they will either a) relocate the master socket or b) run a cable inside your property upto 30m.
This options better as it guarantees good quality cabling is used so you should see the best possible speeds.

If you PM me your postcode I can look up what cabinet you are connected too and a few other bits and pieces.
Standard User alpine
(regular) Mon 05-Aug-13 10:21:34
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Thanks for your help, I'll pm you!
Standard User R0NSKI
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 05-Aug-13 10:25:17
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Another option would be to move the NTE, you say the cable comes down the house wall, so the best option would be to get it run into the loft using the existing cable unclipped from the wall. I know several people that have done this. Of course you will need to be able to run the phone and VDSL cables to there respective places.

My brother managed to persuade a BT engineer to do it, although he wouldn't go in the loft he was more than happy for my brother to pull the cable through the loft and then he stood on the loft ladder and wired it back up again.

Please note, you not supposed to move the NTE yourself, it's BTs property.

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