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Standard User acpsd775
(experienced) Sat 10-Aug-13 15:37:50
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Re: fibre back to ADSL


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i will miss the upload but wont miss the download too much the saving per year out weights the miss of download speed lol, it was always stable too and in the long run when circumstances chance sky offer fibre so there's always re upgrading later on,

Ash



What you never had you don't miss I say smile
My upload is about 2, which for me is fine, I got a 10Mb/s download. I am happy with the system I have got, I don't feel the need to go to fibre.

Maybe if I was still on ADSL and did not have access to the service I am using now I may have thought differently..


well i have had it though lol, As i say download wise im fine with 11-13 download (what i used to get on sky and should get again once OR fixed there mistake and actually get my ADSL working again) with a 20 boost from tethering my phone and balancing it.
But with google music and drop box back up FB n so on i do tend to upload a fair bit these days so it will be missed its not the be all end all as with balancing my phone to get a 30+ download speed it also means the upload would region from 3-4meg too so not a total loss but still by no means 20up haha,

Then again talking about tethering three 4G starts to role out before the end of the year and i have a 4G phone (xperia SP) so the upload will improve on that so that can always be used lol

Ash

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Standard User zyborg47
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 10-Aug-13 20:09:45
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There must have been a fault somewhere.
I've had fibre since the trials with sky and never once had to unplug the modems, nor have I had to on my BT connection.


I imagine there was a fault, but it was not found and no doubt the family concerned got fed up of the mucking around and thought going back to ADSL was the best way. Saying that they are not the only people I know or chat to to that have had problems with fibre, considering the amount of people I know that is on fibre is pretty small. A mate of mine is getting half the speed he should be getting from plusnet, but i still think that is plusnet traffic management.

My brother had problems when he first went to Fibre, it is ok now, but it took a while to sort out.

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Standard User zyborg47
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 10-Aug-13 20:15:07
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well i have had it though lol, As i say download wise im fine with 11-13 download (what i used to get on sky and should get again once OR fixed there mistake and actually get my ADSL working again) with a 20 boost from tethering my phone and balancing it.
But with google music and drop box back up FB n so on i do tend to upload a fair bit these days so it will be missed its not the be all end all as with balancing my phone to get a 30+ download speed it also means the upload would region from 3-4meg too so not a total loss but still by no means 20up haha,


Until i changed to Allpay i was stuck with 3, maybe 4 Mb/s, depending on which way the wind was blowing. I went onto their 5Mb/s package and to be honest that was good for me, better than I had before. but I thought I would try their 10 to see if I noticed the difference and to be honest most of time I don't. Netflix is in Hd which is a advantage, but apart from that I think I could have stayed on 5.


I don't upload a lot, a mate of mine does, which is why he went for fibre as he upload a load of stuff to You Tube.

Then again talking about tethering three 4G starts to role out before the end of the year and i have a 4G phone (xperia SP) so the upload will improve on that so that can always be used lol

Ash


I think these companies should sort out 3G first before they tackle 4G.

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Standard User ukhardy07
(fountain of knowledge) Sat 10-Aug-13 20:19:04
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I think that most of the 'faults' are not actual faults as such. Most of them are just a lack of backhaul at the local telephone exchange, hence the half speeds etc that we are seeing. With regards to actual line faults - they are less likely on fibre given that a large chunk of copper is cut out. With regards to slow faults, yes people are much more likely to moan of slow speeds. A) The providers backhaul may be lacking B) Peoples laptops might be old, even on XP and not handle 80Mbps well C) so many people use wireless and wonder why they're only seeing 30Mbps.
Standard User Zarjaz
(knowledge is power) Sat 10-Aug-13 20:35:05
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All that has to happen is that an Openreach engineer should have been tasked to remove the cabinet jumpers connecting your line to the FTTC DSLAM, easy job, takes no more 15 minutes, tops. Due to filters on in the FTTC DSLAM cabinet, you will not get ADSL sync returned until this has been done. Hassle Sky to get this sorted.

Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 10-Aug-13 21:19:26
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I think these companies should sort out 3G first before they tackle 4G.

There is a good technical (radio propagation) issue here that means people could get 4G and never see 3G in those areas.

Vodafone and O2 have 2G services at 900mhz since approx 1992 (analogue services started in 1985)
T-Mobile and Orange and have 2G services at 1800mhz since 1993 and 1994 respectively.

In 2001 the 3G services started from all 4 existing companies, plus Three the new one, at 2100mhz.

Sadly 2100mhz needs over double the transmitter towers than 900mhz, so Vodafone and O2 were already losing coverage. T-Mobile and Orange were able to get better 3G coverage as they had significantly more transmitters to get their 2G coverage (1800mhz) to get into buildings.

So 4G (LTE) in the UK will be at 800mhz for Vodafone, O2 and Three, and thus anyone who can get a 2G signal from Vodafone or O2 should eventually be able to get a 4G signal from the same transmitter.

EE were allowed to use 1800mhz for 4G, and Three have picked up some 1800mhz and 800mhz so will be able to run both.

(iPhone 5 can only use 1800mhz for 4G/LTE, but the Samsung S4 and HTC One can do all the freqs).

James BT Infinity 2 19/09/2012 - Sold 42/6 - Getting 46/10 - Sync 54 / 11 Mbps @ 470m approx
14 years of broadband (ntl: cable to BT FTTC) - Router: Asus RT-N66U - Modem: Huawei HG612 speedtest

Edited by jchamier (Sat 10-Aug-13 21:19:58)

Standard User acpsd775
(experienced) Sat 10-Aug-13 22:59:13
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All that has to happen is that an Openreach engineer should have been tasked to remove the cabinet jumpers connecting your line to the FTTC DSLAM, easy job, takes no more 15 minutes, tops. Due to filters on in the FTTC DSLAM cabinet, you will not get ADSL sync returned until this has been done. Hassle Sky to get this sorted.


have been back on and all they say is they dont have an update but they are still looking into it, Its like i said because i contacted them at the end of the week the 48-72 will more be like 5 days lol

Ash

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Standard User R0NSKI
(fountain of knowledge) Sun 11-Aug-13 16:06:44
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(iPhone 5 can only use 1800mhz for 4G/LTE, but the Samsung S4 and HTC One can do all the freqs).

That's good to know as I have an S4 on Three. Shame on Apple, iPhone's well out dated now.

Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 11-Aug-13 17:09:20
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That's good to know as I have an S4 on Three. Shame on Apple, iPhone's well out dated now.

4G/LTE is a nightmare for phone companies - the iPhone 5 is designed for size, and used Qualcomm's low power LTE chip which only supports around 6 out of the possible 47 frequencies for LTE.

The S3 LTE and S4 are both much bigger, so have bigger batteries, so they can use the older technology from Qualcomm which supports around 18 of the possible 47 frequencies for LTE.

The main problem is the UK and EU regulators who decided to use 800mhz but took until this year to actually get their act together. The US/Canada and much of Asia decided to use 700mhz for LTE.

The regulators (e.g. Ofcom in the UK) haven't realised its more expensive making phones for a region than to make worldwide. So Apple makes for worldwide and the UK/EU has to do without. Given we have very little 4G/LTE coverage its not a major issue for Apple.

The EU is one of the few places that has rolled out high speed 3G (DC-HSPA) which works well on the iPhone 5 on Three and T-Mobile, getting 15megabit or faster. In the USA my friends with Verizon's 4G LTE generally get 14meg or so !!

Your decision if that's an "out of date" issue, or a case of the EU and Ofcom at being rubbish for telling phone makers what frequencies we will be using. Rest of the world set their plans 5 years ago :-/

Samsung hardware is nice, Android is so-so. I'd like an S4 running Windows Phone 8 please. smile

James BT Infinity 2 19/09/2012 - Sold 42/6 - Getting 46/10 - Sync 54 / 11 Mbps @ 470m approx
14 years of broadband (ntl: cable to BT FTTC) - Router: Asus RT-N66U - Modem: Huawei HG612 speedtest

Edited by jchamier (Sun 11-Aug-13 17:10:34)

Standard User Chrysalis
(legend) Sun 11-Aug-13 23:01:08
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is there a reason they cant make a chip that can use all frequencies?

cost and size?

The s3 and s4 imo suffer from been too slim, the design is to make the phones look nice but they are less practical,

My ace which is similiar shaped and size to an iphone is not so slim, its way easier to pick up and the edges of the sides are higher than the screen , this prevents me accidently touching the screen when holding it, plus the buttons are away from the bottom of the device and I also dont accidently push them. The s3 is harder to pick up due to its slimness and I frequently accidently touch the screen and soft buttons. My point with all this is if they made the s3 and s4 not so slim so fatter, then thats bigger batteries as well as more room for bigger chips. Perhaps also avoiding using micro sims which are a pain compared to normal sims.

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