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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Thu 15-Aug-13 18:14:21
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Does FTTC affect "normal" broadband speeds?


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Fibre broadband should be enabled in our exchange next month. Currently I'm quite far from the exchange and get at best 4 Mbps.
If a cabinet that is near me is enabled for fibre rollout is it likely I will get better speeds on my "regular" broadband? Or is it completely separate infrastructure and to get better speed I'll have to get BT Infinity or similar?

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(staff) Thu 15-Aug-13 18:17:53
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Separate infrastructure so you only benefit if you upgrade

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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Fri 16-Aug-13 09:23:31
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BT leave the old copper line in the ground back to the exchange and add fibre in parallel. So if you stay on ADSL your signal still goes by copper and speeds don't change. Indeed even if you switch to fibre for internet your phone calls will still go via the copper line.

One has to wonder though how long that will be the case. At some point BT will probably want to move all voice traffic onto fibre and do away with the copper lines. At which point everyone gets fibre internet?
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(staff) Fri 16-Aug-13 09:49:15
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Think of 2025 to 2030 for the full fibre where copper is removed too

Even Jersey Telecom has scaled back, and is not forcing people to migrate by ripping out the copper just yet.

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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Fri 16-Aug-13 10:12:28
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Not too bad, it's a long game but hang on to ADSL for 17 years and get fibre for free!
Standard User The_Voyager
(committed) Sat 17-Aug-13 08:01:45
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Don't know how much it would cost them to remove it, but could be worth it, they might make a bit of money selling all the old copper smile

Bob WRBRIX
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(staff) Sat 17-Aug-13 09:50:47
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Removing the copper when there is a FTTC roll-out has the problems of

1. What do you do with LLU ADSL2+ connections?
2. How do you force people onto FTTC when it costs more per month?
3. How is voice services supported.
4. Estimate of money made from scrap copper by removing UK copper loop in 2008 was £0.7 billion

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Standard User kasg
(fountain of knowledge) Sat 17-Aug-13 09:55:39
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2. How do you force people onto FTTC when it costs more per month?

The difference now is not that great and I guess they would provide capped speed products at a lower price.

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Standard User The_Voyager
(committed) Sat 17-Aug-13 10:06:45
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2. The costs will eventually drop and as already stated there is is not a lot of difference

As for the rest then best to go the whole hog over to FTTH and do away with copper altogether, might cost more for the outlay but I'm sure the savings in the long run would be worth it

Bob WRBRIX
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(member) Sat 17-Aug-13 11:56:26
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> 3. How is voice services supported.

VOIP ? Can't be beyond BT to have a solution for that, it's been around for many years with ISDN30 over fibre.

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Which would require BT to deploy battery backup in homes like they do for Fibre Voice Access in FTTP areas to satisfy the USO on emergency calls etc

The 21CN voice roll-out has largely stalled, issues with call reliability I suspect.

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Standard User Chrysalis
(legend) Sat 17-Aug-13 15:50:13
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directly no.

indirectly ofcom research shows that the power cutback applied to vdsl lines favours adsl lines in that vdsl lines cause less crosstalk than adsl lines, so as adsl custoemrs move to vdsl those left on adsl see improvements due to reduced crosstalk.

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Standard User yarwell
(sensei) Sat 17-Aug-13 17:55:30
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In reply to a post by TMCR:
> 3. How is voice services supported.

VOIP ? Can't be beyond BT to have a solution for that, it's been around for many years with ISDN30 over fibre.


ISDN30 is not VOIP, although TalkTalk do a thing called IP-ISDN30 which mimics ISDN30 using IP over EFM.

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Standard User TMCR
(member) Sat 17-Aug-13 18:08:55
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In reply to a post by yarwell:
In reply to a post by TMCR:
> 3. How is voice services supported.

VOIP ? Can't be beyond BT to have a solution for that, it's been around for many years with ISDN30 over fibre.


ISDN30 is not VOIP, although TalkTalk do a thing called IP-ISDN30 which mimics ISDN30 using IP over EFM.


I meant that using fibre for voice service had been around a long time, not that ISDN30 was VOIP...

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