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Standard User Andrue
(knowledge is power) Thu 19-Sep-13 07:53:53
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Re: upstream vs distance


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check your errors for last 24 hours and post them here.

that is if you interested in my view as you didnt reply to me.
Lol, I couldn't reply to both of you tongue

Anyway turns out I was right:

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/share/f6e48adcebb...
Max: Upstream rate = 26662 Kbps, Downstream rate = 77092 Kbps
Path: 0, Upstream rate = 20000 Kbps, Downstream rate = 65491 Kbps

Ignore the red yesterday evening. I've just checked on Craigswebsite and all the IDNet monitors have that.

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Edited by Andrue (Thu 19-Sep-13 07:54:53)

Standard User billford
(elder) Thu 19-Sep-13 07:57:46
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all the IDNet monitors have that.
IOS 7 has a lot to answer for tongue

Bill
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Standard User Andrue
(knowledge is power) Thu 19-Sep-13 08:40:01
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In reply to a post by Andrue:
all the IDNet monitors have that.
IOS 7 has a lot to answer for tongue
Ah. I take great pleasure in being able to say that I had no reason whatsoever to know that laugh

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Standard User Chrysalis
(legend) Thu 19-Sep-13 11:45:32
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your graph doesnt work, and did you ever check the errors before it changed?

I think you had too many crc errors hence the DLM change, The snr margin probably had nothing to do with it other than a lower margin increased your error rate.

ok graph loads now, what about the red today? I think you have a dodgy line, sadly you didnt ever confirm the crc error rate but thats very likely the reason.

LOL I checked my gateway graph.

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/share/3cece964479...

Nice bit of congestion there but I remember doing downloading during that time and no speed loss. What are apple doing releasing updates at peak and isp's runnings links too hot.

BT Infinity 2 Since Dec 2012 - BQM

Edited by Chrysalis (Thu 19-Sep-13 11:53:42)

Standard User Andrue
(knowledge is power) Thu 19-Sep-13 13:43:59
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ok graph loads now, what about the red today? I think you have a dodgy line, sadly you didnt ever confirm the crc error rate but thats very likely the reason.
The red bump yesterday evening seems to have been an Apple upgrade that everyone else and his dog downloaded. The red line this morning was my modem retraining when the DLM put interleaving back on.

As for error counts:

Total time = 1 days 17 hours 15 min 33 sec
FEC: 6738084 21253
CRC: 4659 2608
ES: 13945 2411
SES: 20 2
UAS: 56 56
LOS: 10 0
LOF: 10 0
Latest 15 minutes time = 33 sec
FEC: 0 0
CRC: 0 0
ES: 0 0
SES: 0 0
UAS: 0 0
LOS: 0 0
LOF: 0 0
Previous 15 minutes time = 15 min 0 sec
FEC: 119 0
CRC: 0 0
ES: 0 0
SES: 0 0
UAS: 0 0
LOS: 0 0
LOF: 0 0
Latest 1 day time = 17 hours 15 min 33 sec
FEC: 20090 214
CRC: 0 31
ES: 2670 29
SES: 11 0
UAS: 17 17
LOS: 5 0
LOF: 5 0
Previous 1 day time = 24 hours 0 sec
FEC: 0 277
CRC: 0 34
ES: 985 33
SES: 4 0
UAS: 0 0
LOS: 0 0
LOF: 0 0
Since Link time = 6 hours 32 min 57 sec
FEC: 20090 81
CRC: 0 12
ES: 0 11
SES: 0 0
UAS: 0 0
LOS: 0 0
LOF: 0 0

But with the retrain this morning it's a bit academic. I was surprised when DLM switched off interleaving earlier this month - it's left it on all summer so I thought that was it. Anyway I think it was chancing its arm and no surprise it's gone back on. Perhaps a neighbour was away on holiday at the end of August and DLM got a bit too optimistic.

Really I was just wondering last night if I could resync a bit slower due to lower margin and therefore avoid interleaving. I don't know if that's a reasonable thing to try in general but anyway it looks like the DLM had already had enough :-/

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Standard User Ignitionnet
(knowledge is power) Thu 19-Sep-13 13:59:46
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LOL I checked my gateway graph.

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/share/3cece964479...

Nice bit of congestion there but I remember doing downloading during that time and no speed loss. What are apple doing releasing updates at peak and isp's runnings links too hot.


It wasn't peak on the West Coast of the USA where Apple are based, nor was it peak for the USA or Asia.

ISPs aren't going to run with 40-50% spare capacity for 364 days a year to ensure congestion free operation on the 365th day of the year when a specific high bandwidth consuming event happens.

Edited by Ignitionnet (Thu 19-Sep-13 14:11:17)

Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 19-Sep-13 16:58:32
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What are apple doing releasing updates at peak and isp's runnings links too hot.

They released it at 10am in California, where their offices are, with a global release.

Amazing to see the amount of demand; people couldn't wait even one day? Interesting.

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14 years of broadband (ntl: cable to BT FTTC) - Router: Asus RT-N66U - Modem: Huawei HG612 speedtest
Standard User Andrue
(knowledge is power) Thu 19-Sep-13 17:00:27
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In reply to a post by Chrysalis:
What are apple doing releasing updates at peak and isp's runnings links too hot.

They released it at 10am in California, where their offices are, with a global release.

Amazing to see the amount of demand; people couldn't wait even one day? Interesting.
Cult behaviour wink

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Standard User Chrysalis
(legend) Thu 19-Sep-13 17:16:23
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Well we got no idea how much extra bandwidth demand there was but the update is under a gig. Given I didnt notice this (especially the latency) I dont think the gateway was congested but more the peering point tbb was using (probably shared with apple).

This is the first sign of congestion I have seen since feb 2013 so isnt a big deal assuming is a one off, but was surprised when I seen it.

BT Infinity 2 Since Dec 2012 - BQM
Standard User billford
(elder) Thu 19-Sep-13 17:20:28
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assuming is a one off
Well, maybe a two-off wink

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